Bio Fuels an interesting thought.................

Yes I appreciate the farmers are being paid more for the same crop to be used for a different purpose. Don't you think it strange though the same item has a different selling price just because it is being used for a different purposes? Surely a brick is just a brick, whether it is for a wall or for a palace? Another consideration is the big global drive to recycle. Something that is hard to dispose of isn't being re-used as it should in this climate. I think this could be managed better, but in the long run large oil companies etc wouldn't profit so much and therefore it isn't in their interest to manage the initiative properly. In the UK we are expected to collect used oil and take it to a recycle centre. It shouldn't be disposed of any other way. I have tried phoning the local council to ask what happens then but they are unable to tell me. I wonder if small co-operatives could be a way forward?

Well the farmers benefits from the price of the crop but the facilities that turn the product into a bio fuel, here in the United States actually selling it for the going rate or going to the going rate of actual gas/fuel/petro whichever you prefer, plus the federal government provides them with an extra dollar for each gallon that is sold. The crop is worth only what the highest bidder is willing to pay, so to speak. The bio fuel plants can afford to pay more for the crops since they are making such huge profits off of the end product. I'm sorry for my ignorance I have never been to another country except for Canada and I was only there for a few hours, but how is recycling in your country? Here it isn't a big deal. Some recycle but most don't. It's a "me" society over here. I have had many call me an "eco freak" because of my views. I'm not sure of co-ops in my area we have them out in the country but mostly they are for natural gas and electric.

Hi There, I certainly wouldn't consider you ignorant. I really appreciate your open minded discussions and responses. I have read some of your discussions and would hope that anyone could see that is something you are not. Was it a discussion on religion I found you through? I do remember it was thought provoking at least. I hadn't realise that the great push going on through out Europe to recycle wasn't a worldwide thing. In effect we are made to recycle in the UK, I always have recycled where I can't re-use. I do believe in re-use over recycle. We have green bins for compostables, blue bins for paper, small black ones for cans & plastic and another for other waste. This is all collected on the curbside. Many of our councils are talking of bringing in fines for those that don't recycle so as to enforce this (in France this is already the case and they restrict collections on failure). Though I often wonder if curb side collection is best as we now have two large lorries each week that must be worth quite a few carbon points more than before ;) I have my own composter also. I really think we need to create equilibrium with nature. I think re-using our waste products to create this fuel rather than desecrate nature in this industrialised sense is a good way forward.

Hi There Great to hear from you, I haven't had much time for mylot recently so good to see others looking at older posts. Good to see your sense of humour also! I have heard recently (but not had a chance to look into it), that we are causing deforestation of palms on a large scale. Rather than use the fruit, apperently the whole tree is being used. I beleive the article was talking about our bid for removing things such as SLS from soap products, while taking a more natural approach to cleaning. Less pollutants in the environment is all thats being billed and no mention of the above. My views have recently led me to read in to law and investigate our fraudulent banking systems. I also have been much more upset when realising all the poisons that are added to water supplies. I had know that flouride neutralised a part of the brain, but recently have found information to suggest this actually punches holes in the brain, it's more poisonus that lead. Also there is aluminium added for sparkle, when water has its own sparkle, I'm miffed at this, especially when the main cause of alzheimers is caused by build up of this metal in our brain. I also remember fairly recently an article about arsenic contaminating the US water suppply, from what I remember Bush was not very concerned over this. Surely this is tantamount to murder?? I read also that there are no controls on bottled water and it can be full of all sorts of nasty elements. Sorry if that got a little heavy towards the end, that I gues sis the lack of time I've had for mylot, must get back at it, it's such a good forum when you look for the subjects that interest you, and some lovely thought provoking people around. All the best to you.