World's toughest NEIGHBORHOOD WATCH program.
@redyellowblackdog (10629)
United States
September 4, 2008 7:17am CST
Yes, it is true.
When crime rises to ridiculous levels, people will take matters into their own hands. Here is the story of one such instance.
http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticle.asp?xfile=data/international/2008/September/international_September313.xml§ion=international&col=
I say things should never be allowed to get so far out of hand. Tough law enforcement with strict sentencing of criminals will keep things from getting so bad citizens feel compelled to fix things themselves.
What do you say?
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11 responses
@laglen (19759)
• United States
4 Sep 08
I agree with you they went too far. But maybe (and I am NOT excusing the behavior) if the criminals will start thinking twice. Is the police not patrolling? You get areas where even law enforcement won't go. These areas need severe help. I agree that stricter sentencing would help. but you have to get the big guys out of the way.
@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
4 Sep 08
The 'crispy critters' in this case were armed, so I don't feel too sorry for them. But the neighborhood was/is overrun with criminals. That's the fault of local officials. Perhaps, the crooks are paying off the local authority?
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@kenzie45230 (3560)
• United States
4 Sep 08
Fortunately this kind of thing doesn't happen in the US. I cannot imagine that anyone would think that killing someone is a correct punishment for being robbed. Money and things can be replaced, but not a life.
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@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
4 Sep 08
The thing so many overlook when making this arguement that things can be replaced but not life, is that criminals take away much more than things. They take away our right to live in peace and to be better than mere animals. Criminals, IMO, do deserve to die. Criminals just do not deserve to die at the hands of a mob that would often make mistakes. Everyone is entitled to due process, to insure they are guilty.
@rogue13xmen13 (14402)
• United States
4 Sep 08
Honestly, I can see people doing this because I live in a neighborhood were the gangs have tired to take over everything at one time, and we had to get law enforcement into our neighborhood everyday. It was horrible. For a long time, we thought that we were going to have to take matters into our own hands. Some people have no idea what it is like to have to live like that.
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@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
5 Sep 08
I'm glad to say I don't know what it is to live like that. I would never say anything against the people who did and had to do something about it themselves. I would however, say quite a bit about the polticians that create the conditions in which gangs flourish.
@speakeasy (4171)
• United States
5 Sep 08
First, we have to remember that this took place in Pakistan; not, the US , Canada, UK, etc. Laws and culture are vastly different and so is the level of police protection. In many countries like this, the police are either afraid to confront and arrest criminals; or they are in collusion with them and actively protect them. If they are arrested they pay a few bribes and either are allowed to escape or are actually acquited and then go after the people who turned them in or testified against them murdering them and/or their families.
Second, "in the city where everyday hundreds of people are mugged and at times are killed at the hands of armed robbers." These robbers WERE armed and could be expected to kill others if they had not already killed people. The citizens who apprehended and executed them were in danger at the time they were apprehending them and they are lucky they were not hurt or killed themselves.
The question now is whether other thieves will be more cautious in committing their crimes OR if they will seek to PUNISH these citizens for interfering.
When you push people too far, they will overreact and become violent. If the government will not protect it's citizens the citizens WILL start protecting themselves adn since citizens do not have access to thier own courts and prisons, the only way they can eliminate these threats is permanent elimination.
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@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
5 Sep 08
I don't doubt these people were doing what they felt they must.
@Destiny007 (5805)
• United States
4 Sep 08
I actually kinda like this story.
A clear message has been sent for the benefit of anyone who would try something similar in this neighborhood, and they have to ask themselves if committing the crime is worth the price they would pay if they get caught.
If the law can't handle the crime, then it is up to the people to defend themselves.
I wonder, did they have marshmallows at their little block party?
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@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
4 Sep 08
The sad part of this story is the part where it is mentioned the citizens acted this way merely because armed robbery has become so common.
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@Phillmore (74)
• Denmark
4 Sep 08
wow thats a hard one, and i agree with you, no one deserves that
i guess this is the perfect time to say that violence breeds violence i guess
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@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
5 Sep 08
Can't argue with that. Now, is a good time to say it.
@gewcew23 (8007)
• United States
4 Sep 08
Redyellowblackdog do you remember the man down in Texas who shot the robbers who broke into his neighbor house. Remember how people complain that this guy to the law into his hands, and only the court should have the right to pass such judgment. If I remember Jesse Jackson even came down to the neighborhood and demanded an appolgy from the hero. I wonder what would have happen if the guy from Texas had done what the people from Karachi did to their two robbers. Just to be honest without this story I would not that there was a Karachi.
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@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
4 Sep 08
"I wonder what would have happen if the guy from Texas had done what the people from Karachi did to their two robbers."
That's easy. It was Texas. The charge would have been burning trash within the city limits without a permit.
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@James72 (26790)
• Australia
4 Sep 08
Vigilante justice always tends to go too far and this is no exception. I can however understand their frustration. I remember a case many years ago in Africa I think where a group of women cornered a man that had raped another woman and forced him to castrate himself with a sharp knife they had brought with them. When questioned by Police they stated that they had no faith in the man being piunished so took matters into their own hands. (And literally put them in HIS own hands too it seems!) People just reach breaking point and this is almost always a last resort.
The story regarding the old woman that held an intruder at gunpoint and made him call the Police to come and get him? Now THAT is a far more suitable measure for a citizen to take. Reducing themselves to the level these people did in the article you provided makes them no better than the criminals.
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@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
4 Sep 08
So, these examples illustrate the difference between civilization and the law of the jungle. Let's go with civilization.
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@clrumfelt (5597)
• Tennessee Ridge, Tennessee
4 Sep 08
It appears Pakistani's solutions to crimes are much more permanent than those of neighborhood watches in the USA. Hopefully criminals over there will get the message loud and clear crime doesn't pay and reform their ways. There are better solutions to crime problems, but if they police are taking payoffs to leave the criminals alone, the crime victims will eventually get fed up and take matters into their own hands.
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@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
4 Sep 08
I think around the world people prefer not to take the law into their own hands. I'm sure it was a desparate situation for this to have happened.
@Hatley (163772)
• Garden Grove, California
4 Sep 08
hi redyellowblack dog wellyes let the police take care of criminals, neigborhoods should not be doing that, how brutal
and I doubt this was anywhere close to the US.we do not let
neighborhoods take the law into their own hands here. we have police to take care of crimes and we turn to them or we are no
better than the criminals otherwise.
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@spalladino (17891)
• United States
4 Sep 08
Wow, that's one rough neighborhood! At least we shoot you before feeding you to the gators down here. 

@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
4 Sep 08
Do you think the gators would appreciate the occaisional barbeque?











