should people in their sixties be forced to retire?

@Hatley (163905)
Garden Grove, California
September 4, 2008 8:59pm CST
this is triggered by a user who is discriminating against older people in the work place. she says we should all rtire and give' our jobs to the young people. she says we are too old, our hands might shake and on an on. I am furious grant you , and already retired. but tthe idea of her not bothering to even find out why older people are now working longer, we need the income, as our social security checks dont hack it in this day of rising costs on everything..she deems old as 60 to 65, wow, tottering aged. what nonsense. what is your view on this? I say if a person in their sixties is doing a good job leave them the hell alone.I worked until I was almost 80 and my supervisor told me I was one of the best workers she had ever had. just before she fired me, she was a kid of 33. whats with people who despise us older workers.
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@Savvynlady (3684)
• United States
5 Sep 08
Let me answer your initial question. NO!!!! why should you be? that makes no sense if you can still do the job, keep on plugging at what you do. And why did they fire you if I may ask?
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@Hatley (163905)
• Garden Grove, California
5 Sep 08
hi savvynlady I was fired and this is her own words, after all you are almost 80, then I asked her if I was doing satisfactory work and she said, you are one of my very best worker, Iam sorry I have to let you go,, this is so hard, then she paused, I hate doing this. well let me explain why this happen. my coworkers after I had left told me that the new second in command did not like me, and she went to my boss and threatened to quit if emily did not fire me. so emily let herself be pushed into fireing me. then two weeks later both she Emily and the new second in command were both fired by library headquarters for illegal firing of severl employees. I could have fought it but I had to have surgery and I did not want the legal hassel so I left peaceably. but making people in their sixties retire is just plain wrong.
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• United States
5 Sep 08
Ma'am, I do believe you have grounds for a good suit. However, if you wanna take the high road, ok. But just wanted to put that out there. Sounds fishy to me is all. Peace.
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@webeishere (36315)
• United States
5 Sep 08
Well by what you stated here that is an illegal action of discrimination by the comapny. HAPPY POSTINGS FROM GRANDPA BOB !!~
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@sid556 (30962)
• United States
5 Sep 08
I agree with you 100% on this, Hatley. I know so many older people that are very,very good in what they do. In fact some of them would be very hard to replace. I think to force someone to retire at a certain age is discriminating and unfair. I work with a lady that is 85 and I was shocked to learn her age...this woman is smart and does her job well and a very valuable employee. We love her to pieces. She is a widow but dates and goes out dancing etc. She has her stuff together. I know many young people that could not begin to do the job some of these older more experienced people do simply because many don't have the work ethics that some of the older ones do. Job performance, not age should be the factor in letting someone go. I actually don't agree with any retirement age. Health issues have forced some much younger than "retirement age" out of work. If they have a legit reason for not working, they should not have to wait until a certain age to collect.
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• Singapore
5 Sep 08
Yea, old can be priceless, not "rotten"!
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@sid556 (30962)
• United States
14 Sep 09
Oh Hatley you are just too cute! I forgot all about this discussion but it is still very relevant. And you are so right. Some of these kids just don't want to work. They want the paycheck but really don't want to do the work to earn it. I just got done working tonite with a young girl who spent more time smoking and socializing and eating than doing her job. After she left, I had to do something she'd forgotten. It would have fallen on next shift if I didn't do it. I am not going to run to the boss with it because She is a really sweet kid and really needs the job. I am going to have a word with her next time we work together. My boss is a very kind man but he doesn't do slackers. He will catch on. He always does. The 85 year old has now turned 86 and ya know...she does the same job during the day as this young little girl does at night and she does it so so much quicker. Amazing.
@Hatley (163905)
• Garden Grove, California
14 Sep 09
hi sid oneyr later wow getting caught up here. still feel'the same way about older people working as long as they are'healthy and can do the work well, and as for us taking jobs from the younger ones we usually do jobs that they do not want, ' in fact they turn their noses up because they want higher wages and they do not want to do any work that involves'actually working with using their bodies in any way. they want the cushy jobs that they can sit on their keasters all day to do.
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@KrauseHome (36570)
• United States
5 Sep 08
Why anyone is like this, is beyond me. I have heard so many things anymore about how older people should retire, not be able to drive, etc. I feel it should be a Case by Case based thing, and not just on everyone that is over a certain age, and just because you are old enough for Social Security means you should Retire, and sit at home and do nothing. Have they forgotten about how expensive it is to live, and who pays for their Meds, etc. when they do have to retire? Maybe these are the same ones who think cutting SS and Medicare is the right thing to do as well. Personally, I feel there is nothing wrong with older people working, and where I work they actually encourage it. It should be up to an individual when they retire, and not someone else. If you are still Health wise able to work, and want too there should be no age limit. Where I work, there is a woman who is 83 who works in the Office, and is very well respected. I only wish I could be like her if I live that long.
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@Hatley (163905)
• Garden Grove, California
14 Sep 09
hi krause home oneyr later. I think the same thing, it should'depend on the person,if he or she can do the job let them as usually'they will do a better job than some younger kids, as they have the'work ethic drummed into them from an early age.
@gabs8513 (48688)
• United Kingdom
5 Sep 08
This Person has no right to say things like that and as for 60 apparently being old People in their 70s work better then the Younger ones When I was a Manager I have seen a 70 year old work faster and with in his work then a 26 year old
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@Hatley (163905)
• Garden Grove, California
14 Sep 09
hi gabs one yr later at that time I thought so too. I know a lot of people in the library were older than i was at that time and were doing great at their jobs.' teddy was one and she only quit because her poor husband 'came down with alheimers,he cam e to the library one day'in tears,I let him in and he told me he could not find his house and his car. poor man he was so lost and the year before'he had still been working he had been a brilliant man.Teddy was so afraid for' him she quit so she could be home and watch over him.
@cripfemme (7698)
• United States
5 Sep 08
I don't think anyone should be forced to retire until they want to. I'm going to be a writer until I die but age discrimination is common in non-arts fields. Many people who drive the van service that I take are retired from their main job and do it to supplement income.
@cripfemme (7698)
• United States
14 Sep 09
I take paratransit all the time. I'm published in a local literary journal and I self publish my own poetry books. I love writing, more than life itself (mostly).
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@Hatley (163905)
• Garden Grove, California
13 Sep 09
cripfemme no me either.I also am writing but not published as yet.I am starting on my memoirs and its so much fun even if it never gets p;ublished. do you have a van service too I take access myself,its for handicapped people of all ages, we are taken'directly to our destination and brought back to our doorstep. really a great boon to us too.
@Hatley (163905)
• Garden Grove, California
20 Nov 09
cripfemme here its called access bus for the elderly who are in some way handicapped or lame etc. a lot of the drivers are' retired from other work a nd they really do do a great job as they have some idea of what retired and handicapped people go through all the time.
• United States
5 Sep 08
I am just glad that financially I was able to retire. I started preparing and saving years before my planned date. I thoroughly enjoy every day and feel that I have earned this time in my life. I feel sorry for people you must keep on working just to be able to afford to keep a roof over their heads and food on their table. Some people just want to work as they enjoy it not because they have to.....if so enjoy! BTW if your supervisor thought you were such a great employee what reason did she give for firing you??
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• United States
14 Sep 09
I had to take an early retirement at 64 years old because my job was being moved to the company headquarters in another state (Birmingham, Alabama) I would have had to sell my home, leave my family behind and I just did not want to do that. If that had not been the case I would have worked until they kicked me out. I would have still be working now at 71 yrs old. Although I am still in contact with some of the investigators I trained as they call me when they want my input on a tricky case. That shows me that my brain is still functioning well even now. I know that you are still sharp as a tack!
@Hatley (163905)
• Garden Grove, California
14 Sep 09
whiteheather would youbelieve after all her crap she said'you are almost eighty so y ou cant do the work anymore. well I had been doing it right up til the moment she called my into her office. also I found out from another employee that the second in command had threatened to quit if she did not fire me.now two weeks after I was let go the headquarters over all manager fired both Emily my superior for firing me for being almost eighty and also the se cond in command for the same thing Ageism.they asked me to return but I said no not at all. never again. Ihave had it with you all.
@biggerb (2024)
• India
5 Sep 08
I don't think so.If one is active and good at their job age should not be a constraint.If a person who is over sixty is quite comfortable with a big fat bank balance and is happy to retire and sit at home that's a different matter altogether.When we need the income especially when one gets old you have to think of your hospital expenses, you do not want to be a burden to anyone and still more some people are so used to being occupied that they hate to sit idle.There is another side to this discussion too.There are companies who have their top bosses who are very old they just continue in their jobs till their very last.Youngsters however much they excel they just cannot get their promotions because these oldies are retained by the company.
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@Hatley (163905)
• Garden Grove, California
14 Sep 09
hi biggerb yes I have heard about that and the oldies and thats not fair at all,but most of the jobs we older people take are jobs the'tyounger ones turn up their noses at.the wages are not big enough. or its not glamourous enough or it involves physical'work or nmy to think that someone who is thirty would blanch at work. so most of us arent taking jobs away from the younger ones at all.Most older p eople do not work in big companies just the wealthy old geezers and that s not us at all. he he he
• Singapore
5 Sep 08
Hi Patsie, I don't think they should be forced, no more than a young person who is able to do a job should be sacked (but we all know people do get sacked and it happens to both the young and old). As we get old, our minds might become more agile if we keep using it. However as it is, most people don't and they become less suitable workers as they age. Also, attitudes of older people might become more jaded and they may be thick in their heads and resist change which may be necessary for the company. Also, our bodies will weaken (for most people unless they keep a healthy diet and stick to an exercise regime) and that makes us less suitable for some jobs than younger people. It is quite like the saying, "We all have our time". We had ours, so it is time for the young to take over. So you see, I have but mentioned some of the factors why a older person may be less suitable... and so retirement may be a better choice. Yet what if you need the money to continue living? That brings me back to the beginning of this reply. Someone in his or her sixties should not be sacked or forced to retire (which is quite the same) just because he has reached a certain numerical age. If there is someone younger, yes, who wants the position, they have to be measured side by side to see who fits the job better. If the young person is more "qualified" in all sense, then it is only fair that the young get the job. This comparison is no different from two young people fighting to get the same job. However, we all get old, save for the immortals among us. I do feel that some leeway should be given - in scouting, I think we call it brownie points? - to the older ones. An older may also consider volunteering for a pay cut IF he feels he can longer do the job as well. So if he feels he is performing as well as he was 20 years ago, fine, he can keep the same pay. Otherwise, with his experience, I should think a company would be willing to keep seasoned talent. It is like a give and take situation. The older employee takes a step back by taking a lower pay in acknowledgment that he can no longer perform the job as well (again, I stress that if the performance is not affected by age, then pay cut is a moot issue). As for the company, instead of employing another younger person, it gets to cut some cost by retaining a worthwhile talent. So it works out to a win-win situation in the end, despite the harsh reality of aging.
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@Hatley (163905)
• Garden Grove, California
13 Sep 09
hi I am a bit late like one yr. ho ho. i am trying to get caught up but it is a long process as I have so many responses'here. well anyway I know that a lot depends on the person, if she or he can work and is healthy why not, but of course no one should expect to be hired if they are unable to work
@ellie333 (21017)
5 Sep 08
Hi Hatley, I personally think as long as a person is fit and able to do the job it doesn't matter what age they are. I know so many very active 60+ people who would be bored staying at home who choose to work and others that need too to supplement the miserable pension they receive. The company I work for prefers older people as in general (this is not aimed at all young people as I know some are also very concientious workers) they are more reliable and trustworthy, have less time off and have life experience too which can only come with age. A lot of youngsters don't want to work just play in the workplace. Age is a number and as long as a person if fit enough to do the job age shouldn't matter. Huggles. Ellie :D
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@Hatley (163905)
• Garden Grove, California
14 Sep 09
hi ellie thanks hugs to you too one yr later.yes we older ones'in the library would not call in sick while the youngest did all the'time because we had been trained to give a days work for a days pay'and the kids now are not trained by that work ethic.
@kenzie45230 (3560)
• United States
5 Sep 08
I think anyone who is capable of working shoud be able to, regardless of age. In today's world, many don't have pensions and Social Security payments are often not enough to pay expenses. When she gets that old, she'll understand.
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@Hatley (163905)
• Garden Grove, California
14 Sep 09
yes kenzie when she gets my Age she will really understand and you are right social security payments are not enough in this messed up economy.
@neildc (17243)
• Lapu-Lapu City, Philippines
5 Sep 08
Here in our country, that is the same retirement age for the workers. We even have an option to retire earlier if we had just reached the length of service of I guess 15 years. That is if we had started working at earlier age. But some people goes back to working even after retirement. They say that they can still work and still fit to work. They also said that they are more than fit to the job than the younger people. But just an opinion, if they can rest and retire and stay at home and their pension and other income can sustain their needs, I think they should, to give other jobless a chance to work. I believe you were one best people and as a worker and I can see who were you with how you participate, being so active on here. Have a great day my friend. (neildc @ red/90/1777)
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@SaintAnne (5453)
• United States
5 Sep 08
I wonder if that user would say the same thing once she reaches 60 and is "let go" but still wants and is very much able to work.
@Hatley (163905)
• Garden Grove, California
13 Sep 09
SaintAnne hi yes it would have been something to seeif she was'oustedon her ear for being 60.she fled to brea after she was fired.
@dark4eyes (161)
• United States
5 Sep 08
I'm all for older people in the workplace. They have a much better work ethic than the "children." The economy is so bad that even when folks DO retire, there's not enough $$ and the government is constantly cutting benefits to pay for their illegal war. I'm almost 48 and work in a call center for a company that hires a lot of 20 somethings and I've never seen such unethical and childish behavior. They're SUPPOSED to be answering calls from customers, but they're wandering around disrupting other workers, putting customers on hold so they can talk to their "significant other" on either the other COMPANY line or their cells, missing calls entirely and shrugging, watching Youtube, soap operas, movies, playing games, talking to customers with their mouths full, half-assing the calls they DO take and GETTING AWAY WITH IT! It's like a giant kindergarten. The managers are too busy planning pizza parties to keep the "kids" happy or going to endless meetings to monitor them and it's not til a customer makes a HUGE stink that they bother to "remind" people to behave. They shouldn't have to send that kind of message OR babysit I would NEVER have dared to do this kind of nonsense and would never try any of that Then they expect the older workers to pick up the slack when the "kids" screw things up (which they do constantly)
@Hatley (163905)
• Garden Grove, California
14 Sep 09
hi dark4eyes one yr later I am trying to get caught up' my best friend Nelda works in a health insurance decapitation 'center and she says much the same thing as you have said. While she is making calls to customers some of the others ' are on the phone with boy friends, she thinks it is just awful. she is 74 now and still working And they like her work too. she is so scared she will be laid off as they have been'cuttin employees but they tell her she is too valuable to them so her job is safe.
• Philippines
5 Sep 08
They shouldn't forced the old ones to retire.If they still want to work let them be.People who's not devoted to anything they do might say that old ones should forced to retire and give opportunity to young ones becoz they don't know how those old ones love what they are doing and love their job.Some people don't understand that old ones still work not becoz of the money they earn it's becoz they are used to it,it is what they do most of their lives and they do it in a daily basis.So its not that easy for them just to retire.I know a friend who is very workaholic and he cant just sit and relax he wants to do work all the time coz he is passionate in what he does and he said to me he will only retire when he is in his 80's even just a consultant.We have our freedom to do everything we want as long as it is progressive,no one can tell us when to stop and what to do in our life!!!
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@Hatley (163905)
• Garden Grove, California
14 Sep 09
hi ranjille one yr later.this is still true just what you'sAid and too older people often have parttime jobs the younger people refuse totake as they are lower paid and too some require some physical exertion and a lot of younger people wants jobs where they sit on their rumps all day.lol lol lol.
@Ithink (10505)
• United States
5 Sep 08
Im sorry does she not have common sense? Prices are on the rise all around us and yet SS and income isnt going up so yes older people need to work too. Getting older doesnt mean living cheaper. I personally think as long as the person can do their job leave them keep the job! 60-65 isnt that old either! Someone needs a reality check in my opinion! If they can do the job let them is my motto!
@Hatley (163905)
• Garden Grove, California
13 Sep 09
hi Ithink one yr later yes she was bipolar and she refused to be treated and she knew she was.she would not take any medications at all.so she acted veryweird at times, she was later fired for having fired me for no reason other than age. what goes around does come'around and it did for her and the second in command.
@checapricorn (16047)
• United States
5 Sep 08
[i]I agree with you Hatley, I was working with older people who are very efficient in their job! But, in our Country, they are always respected and younger employer will always look forward to them and be with them because they know that they will learn so much! SO, I am with you wishing that other people will always respect these people and will ask them to even share their expertise to the younger generation![/i]
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@maddysmommy (16230)
• United States
5 Sep 08
For your boss to say that to you and then fire you? how rude!!! If you're able to work and you do what is required of you, then I don't see age being an issue. Everyone should be treated according to their abilities and if ones performance starts to suffer because of whatever reason, then that's when it needs to be looked at. If you're performing well and up to whatever standards the company requires, then age shouldn't be an issue I would think. Good for you for working till you were almost 80 Hatley :)
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@p1kef1sh (45682)
5 Sep 08
I see no reason why people should not be able to work as long as they are able! But that word able might well mean something different to the employer and to the employee. But if both are happy, then I see no problem. There is a man working in the UK who has just celebrated his 100th birthday. He cleans the vehicles for a London firm of plumbers.
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@gemini_rose (16264)
5 Sep 08
I agree with you, if a person is of good health and is still able to do a good job then they should be left to it. Today it seems that age is not a problem in a lot of things now. Although I do think that a person should have the choice and not have to carry on working because they cannot afford not to, that is unfair, retirement was supposed to be a chance for people to have those last years to relax and do what they want and now people cannot because they cannot survive. I do not see 60 - 65 as being old anymore, it has all just changed.
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@aize003 (225)
• Philippines
5 Sep 08
no! as long as they're still capable of working they should not be forced to retire..
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@Hatley (163905)
• Garden Grove, California
5 Sep 08
hi aize003 I agree with you whole heartedly. as long as those in their sixties do their jobs well let them alone.
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