Debate Education Vs. Experience

United States
September 12, 2008 4:43pm CST
Although it is tough in todays world, i have seen several high school drop outs, turn around start there own business and become very succesful. I wonder if work ethic and experience is related to school, it seems that often times if your a hard worker, school just helps you get a job that requires a degree, other than that it seems you can do anything you want with or without school. It's just paper and everyone wants you to have it in order to make more money, and even more so it creates hardships on families and students who are trying to pay there way through college. I am currently going to college to get my associates and it is very difficult to pay, yet when i get my job the first thing they will do is send me for training, shouldn't this be what i'm already learning. Instead of wasting my time. This was written because i want to know what others think about the concept of college in relation to careers., i'm not saying not to go to college or anything like that, I'm planning on gettying a bachelors in criminal justice and then an MBA because jobs today require it if not for that i would just be working, and doing a great job because I am a young determined and ambitious individual.
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• United States
12 Sep 08
Welcome to myLot, Newbie! New ideas make us all that much richer. Those who are very successful without formal education are rare, which is why they're newsworthy. Most people find things within the scope of their educational experiences that help them form a clear idea of the way(s) in which they want to make their careers. In addition, a good education makes a person well-rounded, wiich makes the rest of life, that part that isn't part of earning, a joy! Few can have the best life possible without school. Socialization is important for business and for pleasure, and school's whedre we learn the best of that. Education is lot more than several classes a year!
• United States
12 Sep 08
Newbie? New ideas do make us richer, but they don't always come from those from college who have been taught to think in a particular manner about a subject. I have seen it time and time again where teachers try to mold there students into there ways of thinking and beliefs. The person who taught himself html, law, history, etc. gets to entirely create his own ideas and opinions. Do you realize how many people begin to get a college degree and flunk out. I've seen just as many people without college degrees become as succesful if not more than many of those with college degrees. They aren't all news worthy you only here of the ones that strike it rich, but what college does have going for them is the fact that "college graduates as an average earn more than those who don't have a degree, but you need to realize that there are 1000's of people without degrees making no money" Statistics are often based more on publicity than science. A good education only makes a person well rounded if he has had other experiences often work experiences to make him that way. Merely having college is just another thing under your belt, but so of course college with experience makes it better, but i am talking about either or not both. College alone wouldn't make you anymore well-rounded than that same individual with experience instead. As for socialization if you haven't learned most of that by highschool, goodluck changing your ways in college, not that it can't be done, but how often do you think that happens now?
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• United States
12 Sep 08
Having taught 12th grade English for more than four decades, I've seen literally thousands of young people go off to college, and thousands go off into the world without any further formal education. Either way, each is likely to be successful, given both interest and drive. Many have done well,many have done poorly, and some have done nothing. College isn't intended to change a person, just to add to that person's arsenal of life skills and avenues of enjoyment. Throughout the years, several people have told me I'm a failure because teachers aren't well paid. If money were all that important to me, I'd have chosen a different field. Financial considerations aside, I'm one of the most successful people I know, because I love my work! I hold eight Master's degrees, and they haven't gotten me any more money, but I've loved the learning and the avenues of exploration they opened up for me. I never use the "Doctor" designation, because I reserve that for those in the medical field, and it was earned entirely for my personal pleasure. Part of the course for seniors in high school includes employability skills. We do all we can to help kids make the decisions for their futures that are right for them. Many of those decisions do not include college! I certainly don't insist college education is a must for everyone, but I can't see it as a hindrance, either.
• United States
14 Sep 08
I couldn't agree more with you, than what you have recently said. That is exactly how i feel, and thats the reasoning behind me wanting to get an mba and bachelors in criminal justice. I love to learn and believe it can never hurt, except for your pocket. No matter what we can always learn something new, but like you said it doesn't necessarily make you more succesful, and maybe at time happier.
• United States
13 Sep 08
If you want a career then you have to have the education, its just a fact. You can't be a lawyer without a law degree or a doctor without medical school. I've seen people use street smarts to start businesses and do very well, they probably didn't have any hang ups about feasibility studies or marketing and learned from others instead of a classroom setting. Anything that is deemed "professional" is always degree driven. Good luck in your criminal justice degree. I got my Paralegal degree and was a Paralegal for about 7 years. I wanted to go law school but things change and now I'm a stay at home dad who writes freelance. Always keep your options open.
• United States
14 Sep 08
Let me first say thanks for wishing me luck, now on to the discussion at hand. I would have to say i disagree with you saying that you need an education to have a career. Do you mean to say that carpenters, roofers, and self taught web designers have no career. As often there education is very limited. What is a career i guess that is up to everyone to determine on there own. I just think of it as your way of life, how you support yourself and or family. Professional is always degree driven, yet many people work online, even as lets say a freelance writer. As long as you act and work in a professional manner, you are a professional. Freelance is an incredible career and i'd love to hear more on your experience with freelance writing.
• United States
14 Sep 08
Perhaps my typing didn't convey what I meant. If you want to have a career in the "corporate" world you have to have a degree. I agree that trade workers don't need a degree to have a career, I agree with you there. I write freelance for Associated Content and another site. I never thought about doing it until I was in college and one of my classmates asked me why I was going into law when I wrote so well. A few people hinted at my writing and then I decided to see what other people thought, well, it paid off and now I write for the love of it. I do get paid but I'm building a library of articles and gaining information on subjects that I would never have thought about. Thanks for asking.
• United States
13 Sep 08
Hi! I have read all the above responses and they are all very good. In my country, education is placed at a high premium. In short, those who were not able to get a college degree are either unemployed or are struggling in life because all they could get are menial jobs. It does happen that one person can turn from rags to riches without an education (in my country) but that's rare, and not without pain. Looking at the practical side of things, it's still better to finish college or even get a post-education. These days, when we do job-hunting, we will always come across good offers that require higher education.
• United States
14 Sep 08
What country is that? Education is a pretty standard now in the U.S., but of course there are still about half of the people not going to college and just working hard to be equally as succesful. Maybe someone could argue the fact that it is easier to become succesful with college than without, however i know myself paying for college isn't easy, so i can't say that. Unfortunatly the requirement for higher education is what i don't always understand. For example in my case Law Enforcement requires an associates, yet i will learn everything all over again in the Acadamy, so why waste my time. I could be doing something more useful, such as an entry level job at a police department gaining valuable experience, on top of the training i'll recieve and be better off than sitting in a class, learning about something that is really a hands on job. Much of which can't be taught in a classroom. Fortunate as i am i love my classes, and love college, so i'm not complaining. I would just really love to start working rather than getting jobs that don't challange me.
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• United States
12 Sep 08
I wouldn't call a degree just a piece of paper. I can understand where having web design experience (say you study and learn it on your own free will) would be just as good as a degree..but what about a job such as being a surgeon. Where else are you going to experience for that other than going to school and getting an internship somewhere. Degrees are desired because for one it shows passion. If someone went to school for 12 years to get their Ph.D in psyhoclogy..than that shows that they care about the field. Also you may be more advanced in a subject than someone who just knows something by experience. Like web design again..this is a career where you constantly have to learn and stick with the latest in technology..Designing language such as HTML is constantly changing and evolving among other languages; it's very broad. Some one who has done web design on their own and learned from the web, friends,books and other sources..might have a harder time keeping up. i am not saying that people who don't have degrees aren't skilled at something equally or even better than someone with a degree... they just didn't go the extra mile.
• United States
12 Sep 08
See I agreed with you all the way until you said a person doing something such as webdesign where someone without a degree might have a harder time keeping up, in my opinion if someone was capable of learning this without being taught, then odds are they are going to have an easier time keeping up than someone out of college that has had everything explained to them and less to figure out on there own. I do agree however that it shows more passion, and of course your not going to get experience in being a field such as surgery without school atleast i hope anyways. The degree once again is a piece of paper though, which shows your passionate because you went the extra mile. It really doesn't show any more real work ability than the guy who has stayed at home read books and learned web design himself, he just gets no credit for not needing to be taught something, and being able to learn stuff on his own.