Do you think bad and good does not apply to animals?

@pehpot (4762)
Philippines
September 15, 2008 10:28am CST
OK, my kids are into watching Jurassic park and we have been debating for so long. he often says that the dinosaurs that eat people and animal were bad and that the one who only eat plants were good dinosaurs. I explained to him hat he cannot use the word good and bad to animals because they have no concept of it. To them it is all about eating and protecting themselves and that animals cannot think and have no logic. I explained to him that he can call the dinosaurs that eat man a carnivores and the one eating plant is herbivores. How about you? do you think the concept of bad and good also applies to animal when in fact they have no concept of it? they are just following their instincts.
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@ANTIQUELADY (36440)
• United States
16 Sep 08
no, i think it does apply to animals. my dog knows when she has done bad. i have fussed her so much for scrathing that she gets up & goes in the other room to do it now. i think animals are pretty smart.
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@pehpot (4762)
• Philippines
16 Sep 08
I guess it goes for domesticated animals, where in yo can teach them
@modstar (9605)
• Philippines
15 Sep 08
no it doesn't apply to animals. even the cutest and most behave puppies will bite if provoked. for them it is good because they were able to protect themselves and they are conditioned to do it.
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@pehpot (4762)
• Philippines
16 Sep 08
I think so too.
@ronaldinu (12422)
• Malta
15 Sep 08
Humans are capable of reason while animals are not. So the concept of what is moral or not, what is good or not can be applied to humans and not animals. Human should decide on reason while animals act with instinct.
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@pehpot (4762)
• Philippines
16 Sep 08
That is what I also think. Thanks for responding! keep it up!
• India
16 Sep 08
well i think it does apply to animals..just the sense of insecurity and ill treatment from their childhood by humans or the creatures in their surrounding makes them bad..i have seen even wild animals being friendly with human beings..not one but many..just that humans have these powers doesn't mean that animals only act on instinct..good and bad does apply to them..well after all thats my view of looking at it..may be right may be wrong..!!
• India
18 Sep 08
welx!!
@pehpot (4762)
• Philippines
18 Sep 08
Thanks for sharing your views!
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• Sri Lanka
16 Sep 08
They are just following their instincts. That is correct. However, good and bad applies to animals but not in the same way for human. Animals spend their life like that as a result of bad things they have done in their past lives. Once they power of bad resultants is over they are entitled to another life of a different nature. Animals kill each other for safety and food. They don't cause any bad acts by doing it.
@pehpot (4762)
• Philippines
18 Sep 08
Yes I think so too, it is all about instincts.
• United States
16 Sep 08
I think for animals in the wild that there really is no good or bad, they just do what it takes to survive. People do the same, some lie, cheat and steal, but they are just trying to survive (some of course are just bad :) ). I think that it changes when animals have the basics and then they steal are fighting and attacking. Like when a dog has a home, but even when they have good owners they break out and hurt or harm people, animals, and objects. That is when they are bad, the reason why I think that is because they are no longer just trying to survive, they are choosing to do these things for recreation. Like someone who has plenty of money but steals. When it is no longer about survival is when you can determine if anything is good or bad; people or animals.
@pehpot (4762)
• Philippines
18 Sep 08
Thanks for that! yes I think when an animal is domesticated that is the time that good and bad can be applied
@alokn99 (5717)
• India
16 Sep 08
It's not the concept of good and bad by which animals should be differenciated. Rather by animals which are safe to be around and those which are not. But at the same time as you have put it so rigthly, it should also be made clear about the need of the animals to protect themselves and their need for survival.
@pehpot (4762)
• Philippines
16 Sep 08
Point taken! like it how you put it, that they should be differentiated by what are safe to be around and not.
@ashar123 (2357)
• India
22 Sep 08
I believe that how animals can be good or bad because they are made like this by God. The ones who eat flesh like some dinosaurs in olden times and animals of today like cheetah, lion, tiger etc. are made by God to eat meat. Its a way to keep the life cycle balance because if all animals start eating grass and leaves then how can the life cycle of animals be balanced. Thats why in birds too, some birds like eagle and falcon hunt for food and they also eat flesh. In my opinion, animals are not bad if they eat flesh.
@Pose123 (21635)
• Canada
17 Sep 08
Hi pehpot, I agree with you the term good and bad does not apply to animals, but what about humans, do all people really understand the term and don't different cultures think differently? Blessings
@kissie34 (2294)
• Philippines
16 Sep 08
I agree with you that animals don't apply about the concept of morality because they don't have this kind of instinct.. Only human being apply this kind of values.. Animals are just doing what they want to do or what they brain commands them to do.. They are not thinking whether it is good or bad.. As what you said, they just do it to save their life..
@pehpot (4762)
• Philippines
16 Sep 08
Yes they do. i hope my kids understood my point as well
@magojordan (3252)
• Philippines
16 Sep 08
I agree that animals really have no concept of moral values but of course they are also capable of feelings that could lead also to such concepts. I remember a story of a lioness adopting a gazelle (or was it an antelope?)after its mother got killed. For me animals too are capable of sensing which is good or evil and that is embedded in their instinct.
@pehpot (4762)
• Philippines
16 Sep 08
yeah in some aspect but to them when they were hurt they do act on it or when they are threatened, but the thing is, will you call them bad if they eat you? like dinosaurs?
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@apples99 (6556)
• United States
16 Sep 08
I agree that animals have no concept of good or bad expeshally a dinosaurs lol.
@pehpot (4762)
• Philippines
16 Sep 08
• Philippines
19 Sep 08
Bad and good? I think no because animals are animals, they have no thinking and they are not capable of the logic we have, the animals if threatened act on their instinct, maybe if the animal is a pet, some of it will apply but if it is a wild animal I don't think so.
@savmot (261)
15 Sep 08
Good and Bad is a completely subjective thing anyway...The only reason people consider those animals actions 'BAD' Is because they may hurt you.... Bad is something which does not serve you personally! Noone thinks a cat is BAD because it eats mice, despite the action being the same as a T-rex eating us and both technically being as good or bad as the other.
@pehpot (4762)
• Philippines
16 Sep 08
yeah only human decide what is good and bad, I think we cannot apply the term bad and good to animals because they have no logic and they do not know what they are doing, even though it may hurt us, it still based on instincts not logic.
• Canada
16 Sep 08
Although you are right I can understand where you child is coming from as chidren don't learn this concept of good and bad with animals until they are much older . They need to be able to put things in terms that make sense to them and to your son a dinosaur would be bad because if they were still alive today they could hurt him and anything that could hurt him must be bad as we are always teaching our children that something that hurts is not a good thing but a bad thing . Animals do have some concept of good and bad because a cat does understand that is bad to pee on your floor or a dog does understand that you don't jump on people when they come in the door but when it comes to the dinosaurs and and eating to feed themselves then no the concept of good and bad would not apply :)
@mimico (3617)
• Philippines
16 Sep 08
I totally agree with you. As human beings, we have a natural moral compass, sometimes called the conscience, which tells us what is good and bad. Even though no one educates us about it, I think we would know if something is wrong or right. Animals just don't have this. They live in order to survive. So they rely on their instincts to hunt and kill other animals.
@chinniR (661)
• India
16 Sep 08
hi pehpot, i don't think that we can group them into good and bad. it's in fact a part of ecosystem and in order to complete the cycle it needs to feed on other animals. like even humans are of two kinds, vegetarians ans non-vegetarians. it's simple. there is always a number for all the animals and to keep everything in proper proportions and is necessary to keep the cycle going on.
• Philippines
16 Sep 08
no it doesnt apply on them, maybe the cycle of life, the survival of the fitest
@divinchris (2449)
• India
16 Sep 08
On the context of protecting themselves animals can not be classified as good and bad.But when it comes to love,some animals do behave oddly.I had a pet dog which attacked me once as I went near it while it was eating,I consider that animal to be as bad in nature,but the dog im having now is different even if I feed him, he will be comfortable with what im doing.I consider him as to have good manners.I dont know it makes sense or not,but a few pet animals are bad in the sense that they dont respect their masters.All this things suit only to pet animals and not wild animals.Thank you.
@rekcart83 (149)
• Philippines
16 Sep 08
Yes its just pure instincts. But still I would say that there are good and bad animals. Well for example a trained dog vs a non-trained. A well behave dog vs a crazy one which destroys everything in your house. When this happens to you I think you'll also yell "bad dog! bad dog! Lol. I guess that makes that dog a bad one.