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Time to remove tax exempt status from religious organizations!
By speakeasy
@speakeasy (4171)
United States
September 26, 2008 6:05pm CST
I have said it before and I will say it again - any religious organization which WILLFULLY and KNOWINGLY breaks the law governing their tax-exempt status should have that tax-exemption removed and start paying taxes.
A group of ministers plan to openly defy the law that exempts them from having to pay taxes; but, they still don't want to pay any taxes. They want to "have their cake and eat it too".
Here is a link to the article - http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/26/us/politics/26preach.html?th&emc=th
If they want to keep their tax exempt status; they need to keep OUT of politics. If they want to get involved in politics; then, they should pay taxes and stop getting a free ride.
What do you think?
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5 responses
@coffeechat (1961)
• New Zealand
27 Sep 08
I fully agree. Providing religious organizations with tax exempt status is a covenant between the State (nation) and a particular religious group to enable them to exercise freedom of worship while maintaining the secularism of the State.
Political contributions by individual members of the congregation are one thing, but using the pulpit to exhort support or vilify candidates is another thing altogether.
Even more alarming is the relative lack of policing and regulation of some minorities such as Islamic organizations who have tax exempt status in many countries and their mullahs preach violence and hate against non-muslims. This is even more alarming.
@speakeasy (4171)
• United States
28 Sep 08
What actually amazes me is that these church leaders think their congregations are so stupid/ignorant that they are incapable of making a decision by themselves. It is actually demeaning. If these church leaders have been doing their jobs and teaching their religious beliefs and values to the congregation all along - why do they feel that they are to stupid to make a political decision based on those same beliefs and values?
In regard to your comment about the "minorities such as Islamic organizations": there are Christian organizations who are also preaching "violence and hate" against gays, Muslims, people who support abortion, etc., etc., etc. People have been terrorized and even killed at the hands of religious organizations who's leaders have taught them violence and hate from the pulpit. This has been going on for centuries.
@coffeechat (1961)
• New Zealand
28 Sep 08
Thanks for the BR. Here's the link to the Vatican paper I mentioned above. http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cclergy/documents/rc_con_cclergy_doc_15111998_rolep_en.html
@speakeasy (4171)
• United States
28 Sep 08
Not only do they have huge complexes; but, many of them own hospitals, daycares, and other businesses which fall under their tax-exmpt umbrella even though they are run exactly the same as any other business.
The heck with the audit - bring in the IRS and if they don't pay; freeze their accounts and seize their assets like any other business that doesn't pay.
@coffeechat (1961)
• New Zealand
28 Sep 08
uath,
Recently I learned that that the definition of non-profit for tax exemption purposes is not the same as no surplus. The test of whether an institution is not-for-profit is what is is actually done to the accumulated surplus. If the accumulated surplus is distributed to some people on the basis of shares owned or some similar basis, then the institution fails.
So a not-for-profit hospital like Mt. Sinai may charge the same rates as a hospital owned by the the Alexian Brothers (Chicago). Both may make a net profit of 35% on revenue. The difference between the two is that the 35% goes to the family of the Alexian brothers, so they pay taxes.
Many of these institutions are set up as Foundations or Associations and as such become eligible within the tax laws of most countries (sic).
@lilaclady (28206)
• Australia
27 Sep 08
Personally I think they should pay tax regardless, it is in coming money and some churches have a lot of money that they are not using for the purpose it was given..to help the people...if not to tax them on the in coming money they sould be taxed on their investments then maybe they would work with the money the people give them...churches are businesses these days they should pay taxes as even the Queen of England does...
@speakeasy (4171)
• United States
27 Sep 08
Personally, I agree with you; but, the law is the law and as long as they follow the law they are entitled to the exemption. IF, they want to take this all the way to the Supreme Court and try to get their involvement in politics authorized; then, they should be willing to pay the same taxes as any other business.
@efc872 (1077)
• Jamaica
28 Sep 08
Even if you remove tax exempt the government would have to post an agent at every church to monitor the collection.
@speakeasy (4171)
• United States
28 Sep 08
Income taxes are only a fraction of what they would be taxed on and it is the easiest one to get away with using "deductions and tax credits".
What would really "hurt" them is all the property taxes they would now owe; and, you can't hide a multi-million dollar piece of property like you can a day's collections.
@jonesy123 (3948)
• United States
27 Sep 08
You are right, religious organizations have no business telling people how to vote. But I can understand that they want to try and challenge the law as unconstitutional. I say let them have a go at it and see what the Supreme Court has to say about it. My guess is that they won't get far with this anyway.
@speakeasy (4171)
• United States
27 Sep 08
But, in the mean time their endorsing candidates from the pulpit could very well have an effect on the result of the elections which is only weeks away and getting the cases all the way up to the Supreme Court could take YEARS!
(Actually, they plan to come out in support of MY candidate and I STILL think they are wrong to do this!)






