Palin vs. Biden

@philjas (1134)
United States
September 30, 2008 7:47pm CST
Okay I hate to get into political discussions and I know my rating is probably going to drop for expressing my opinion, but this is driving me insane so I have to say it. People who are defending Palin's recent "gaffes" in interviews by pointing out that Joe Biden has made many more gaffes than she has, please just think about this: OF COURSE Biden has made more gaffes; he's been on the national polticial stage for 35 years, Palin has been on it for what, two months? You can't compare two politicians like this in sheer number of stupid things they've said, what counts is PERCENTAGE. What percentage of things a person has said in speeches/interviews has come out sounding stupid? I would say between Palin and Biden it's pretty darn close, and she might be way ahead.
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@dlbruce85 (110)
• United States
1 Oct 08
Palin is a joke, she believes that bordering Russia gave her "foreign policy" experience. She claimed that humans roamed the Earth alongside dinosaurs. She supported the bridge to nowhere but claims that she stopped it herself. She only had roughly a 20% attendance rating in Alaskan government functions. She claimed that the war in Iraq is god's plan. Regardless of the fact that she denies this later, the video is on youtube of her saying it. She didn't know what the "Bush Doctrine" was when she was interviewed about it. In a recent meeting between Palin & McCain and the Prime Minister of Israel, the NYSun documented that she said to him "The Israeli flag is the only flag in my office." Can we say fundamentalist? She has threatened to secede from the union. She tried to ban "offensive" books from the public library during her term as mayor of Wasilla. She rejected a proposal to classify polar bears and beluga whales as "endangered species",most likely due to the fact if it passed she couldn't drill for oil. Palin did slash "pork spending" by 50% in Alaska during her tenure, however she requested over $550 million in federal assistance her first year. Her borrowing has been 5 times higher than the nation's average.
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• United States
1 Oct 08
This response is so full of inaccuracies and lies (not your lies, but those that have been pushed by the media and the liberals who seem not to care how they win as long as they win), that I don't even know where to begin! Palin didn't ban books! She did NOT say the war in Iraq is God's plan! There have been more than one "doctrine" that was called the Bush Doctrine. She didn't threaten to secede from the union.
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
1 Oct 08
At least she isn't telling stories about being "shot at" in Iraq the way Biden is. The truth, he later admitted was that a "projectile" landed outside a building he was staying at. He also claimed that terrorists forced his helicopter to land in Afghanistan when in fact it was bad weather. Sarah may have stammered in a few interviews, but she can't compare to Biden's gaffes or his lies at this point. The difference is that the media only covers her gaffes while giving Biden a free pass. http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/30/unlike-clinton-biden-gets-pass-saying-shot-iraq/
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
1 Oct 08
Taskr, I must take you task on this one...lol...pardon the terrible pun. I'd never say ONLY liberals get attacked but liberals certainly DO get attacked here on myLot and I can attest to that. Also, liberals are outnumbered here by about 100 to 1 so we really don't stand much of a chance. Annie
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@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
1 Oct 08
Just so you don't worry, Republicans on this forum aren't known for attacking star counts. That has been a consistent tactic of the liberals in these discussions. Allow my current 5 star, which used to be a 9, to serve as evidence of that.
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@philjas (1134)
• United States
1 Oct 08
Wow, not only is the media biased against the Republicans, but now MyLot users are too. And your post to a story on Fox News, now Fox News isn't biased at all, right?
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
1 Oct 08
Excellent point and one that's been totally overlooked by everyone on the right looking to attack Biden. Palin herself brought up the fact that Biden has been giving speeches since she's been in the second grade and he's appeared on Meet the Press alone close to 50 times, if I'm not mistaken. He's never, EVER refused an interview that I'm aware of and I'm sure many of these have taken place after a long flight from the other side of the world. A gaffe or a misspoken word or phrase is one thing; not knowing of a single Supreme Court case other than Roe V Wade is total incompetence. Annie
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@jend80 (2071)
• United Kingdom
1 Oct 08
just because the other side is incompitent doesn't mean your side isn't incompetent
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
1 Oct 08
"not knowing of a single Supreme Court case other than Roe V Wade is total incompetence." What about not knowing when FDR was president or that he didn't make televised speeches since television didn't exist? Is that total incompetence as well?
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@philjas (1134)
• United States
1 Oct 08
The TV in 1929 thing was stupid, sure, but it was a heat of the moment idiot statement, which everybody makes from time in time. Dany Quayle didn't know how to spell "potatoes" and George H.W. Bush on a September 7th thought it was Pearl Harbor Day. In Sarah Palin's few interviews she has shown LACK OF KNOWLEDGE about things anybody running for VP should know. The fact of the matter, and many Republicans are admitting this, is that this woman is simply not prepared or qualified to be Vice President of the United States. She admitted herself that shortly before actually being chosen she didn't know what the Vice President does every day on the job. She doesn't (or didn't a week or two ago), know what the Bush Doctrine is. If she flubbed up in interviews because she's nervous or something, that's one thing, but to absolutely not know the answers to the questions is quite another. The idea of her possibly becoming President of the United States is HORRIFYING. And before anybody retorts with the usual, "Obama has even less experience than she has... " - Obama has been preparing for the job of President for years, meaning he's just that, PREPARED. Sarah Palin clearly isn't. The McCain campaign is fond of saying this is no time for on-the-job training, yet that's exactly what they're doing with Sarah Palin right now as we speak.
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@mcat19 (1357)
• United States
1 Oct 08
I don't care how much she messes up. I'm delighted with Sarah Palin. Her selection as McCain's VP nomination shows how bad his judgment really is. He knew next to nothing about her, never met her and put her on his ticket to appeal to women. As if women would vote for any woman no matter what. This race needs a little comedy. Bring on the debate.
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• United States
1 Oct 08
I think it is more than clear that he put her on the ticket because of her reputation as a reformer and someone wiling to shake things up even if it means going against her party. McCain wants to leave Washington very different from how he finds it if he is elected, and he chose her because of her reputation for that same kind of gusto. Only the crazy media would ever be so stupid as to believe that women would move from Hilary Clinton to Sarah Palin, only because she's a woman! The media are taught to question things, but with no depth. They have little to say most of the time, and they always try to distill everything down to the lowest common denominator. That might be ok if they were actually distilling it down to make it clearer, but the end result is stupidity: OH, McCain must have thought that women who were voting for Hillary because she is a woman will now switch their vote to Sarah! Pure idiocy. Classic media "observations". They are the ones who constantly cry racism too -- in both directions.
• United States
1 Oct 08
I didn't say they wouldn't or shouldn't try for the women's vote. I said I don't think that was his primary reason for choosing Palin. It is obvious that he was trying to go outside the insider's circle. True, it may come back to bite him in the butt, but he wanted someone known for reform.
@spalladino (17891)
• United States
1 Oct 08
You make us sound so mean philjas! I don't think your rating is going to go down for expressing your opinion. Personally, I don't put much stock in the gaffes thing. There's a big difference between misspeaking when you've been campaigning, giving interviews and are tired...and being inexperienced and uninformed. Sarah Palin is not vice presidential material and she's being used by the McCain campaign. She's the token female and I actually feel sorry for her.
@philjas (1134)
• United States
1 Oct 08
Well I think it happens to everyone, I've seen it happen to myself and I've heard other people talk about it, when you post an opinion that is obviously favoring either the Democrats or the Republicans, somebody who doesn't agree with you will give you a negative rating.
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@spalladino (17891)
• United States
1 Oct 08
I'm not saying that it doesn't happen but I post here a lot and I fluctuate between a 9 and a 10. If the rating impacted earnings, I'd care but, since it doesn't, I don't really care what my rating is. I believe that the folks here can be very passionate but they usually let others express themselves without seeking revenge.
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@chabawel (329)
• Philippines
1 Oct 08
Governor Palin has not served US in a large scale scenario. Biden has already been an ambassador of US in so many ways and have served the whole US nation for several years. Yes, it is unfair to even compare their credentials when each one of them have different history of leadership in geographical aspect.
• United States
1 Oct 08
Sorry, but I love her! It's great to see a down home person that knows what it is to be in the trenches but some experience and fresh ideas to back a person of more experience. And Bidon? Does no one remember how he downed Obama until he got selected to run with him? And if she is promoting God's plan, I am all for it.
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
1 Oct 08
So what if McCain gets elected, something happens to him and Palin becomes President and she decides God wants to plan another attack on somebody? There's "down home" and there's "the lights are on and nobody's home"...lol! Annie
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@philjas (1134)
• United States
1 Oct 08
Does no one remember how he downed Obama until he got selected to run with him? That's because he was running against him. Likewise Huckabee and Romney were running against McCain, and now support him. Generally in both parties once the primary is over even those who formerly opposed the winner will back them, Biden is certainly not unusual in this.
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• United States
1 Oct 08
Palin actually NEVER said anything about God's will being for us to fight any war, anywhere. The media cut off half her sentence and pounded it into our psyches, even tho the video right there on there site at the time, clearly showed her asking them to "please pray that we are keeping God's will", "pray that we are doing God's will". It is the same as any politician asking people to pray for God's Blessing on our activities, strengthen our battles, etc. It is wrong to distort what these politicians say so severely. It confuse people and confuses the issues, and the candidates. The media needs to be voted out! They need to just report what happened with absolutely no comment or bias -- let US decide what it means. They think we are all idiots and need them to explain, add their bias, and make sure we get the meaning they want us to get.
@irisheyes (4370)
• United States
1 Oct 08
Palin has been shielded so much even in the last weeks that they might as well put her under glass. I read somewhere that she has given something like three interviews and Biden has givn over 50. You're right the percentage is what counts and her's is not good.
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• United States
1 Oct 08
Or you could look at it that he has way more experience and should be more comfortable in the hot seat, more knowledgeable, etc. So should make far fewer mistake. But I have read of recent mistakes he has made that are ridiculous, regarding basic 20th century history of our nation, and he calls himself a historian. So there are at least two ways to look at that, yours definitely being a correct way to see it. I gave you a plus (+) rating, to help balance you in case someone rates you down!
@ClassyCat (1214)
• United States
1 Oct 08
Well, I don't have a star, and it matters not to me if I have one or not. Too many folks are just "going with the flow" where the media is concerned. How many of us have come to our conclusions by actually HEARING the candidate in question, make specific statements? Many are just listening to a "he said that she said" sceneraio, and we know that the media knows that many will not check anything out - but go with whatever there own agenda is. I was just home in another state, and heard my brother go absolutely balistic over McCain. I couldn't believe what I saw and heard coming out of his mouth - the hatred and the look on his face when he mentioned President Bush, I have never seen such a rabid -dog type of hatred in this country in my entire 67 years. It's almost scary! I really prefer to be able to "hear" the candidates speak myself, and not let the media do my thinking for me. As for Mrs. Palin - I think there are probably others in the governmental positions, that were young in the beginning of their terms - were not as savvy in some areas, but they did a decent job. What's the difference between folks yelling that Palin would be too inexperienced as a V.P., and Mr. Obama being young and inexperienced in things as well? I will just watch and listen to the actual interviews, and throw the rest of it over my shoulder. P.S. Bill O'reilly is trying to get an interview with Palin, and he'll be rough on her as he was with Hilary and Obama. Should be interesting. Haven't heard a thing as to whether Biden is to be on or if he'd even accept the invite.
@taface412 (3175)
• United States
1 Oct 08
First of all I will tell you your rating will not drop with my response because I am not one of those people who rate discussions based upon opinions. And honestly people who put themselves into a position to defend a politician are doing such a waste of their time. Instead IMO it should be left to speak of facts, not how they looked or did not look or moved their hands during speeches, but more of what they said on the topics. Because when the questions are reversed to the opposing side nothing is left to debate...I have found this out on here. And I never listen to the polls....if anyone has ever paid attention to stats and percentages usually they are biased in some way. So you cannot go by that alone as a fact. If it's something you yourself saw that is different, but not everyone is watching the debates and interviews they are going by what the news replays and says what happened. I am looking forward to the debate as well. I am more worried about the stupid things they do than the stupid things they have said.
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@ZephyrSun (7381)
• United States
1 Oct 08
True and did you have to see how many interviews and speeches he has given? I'm sure that if he has given 100 speeches and she has given 3 then he is doing great compared to her.
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@philjas (1134)
• United States
1 Oct 08
Yes and just for the record on the "media is liberal biased" charge, I personally never heard a word about that Katie Couric interview through the mainstream media in the day or two after it happened, they were too busy reporting about John McCain's announcement that he was going to suspend his campaign. I only heard about the Couric interview on internet blogs, MODERATE AND CENTRIST blogs, which I deliberately seek out because I steer clear of anything left or right. But I did find some links to conversative blogs in which some Republicans are stating that Gov. Palin is simply out of her league and should not have been chosen in the first place. My reason for this thread though really, was just to make the point that the Biden comparison in number of boneheaded statements just isn't valid because he's been in politics for DECADES compared to her for 10 years or less and only two months on a national scale.
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• United States
1 Oct 08
First, let me be clear up front that I am not a Palin fan. I have a lot of reasons for it that have nothing to do with this discussion. One of them is NOT that she is not intelligent. I believe that she is intelligent, she is shrewd, and she is being badly mishandled by the McCain campaign. By trying to give her 'spin' answers to use in interviews, they've confused her natural instincts and her natural answers. If I were her, I'd seriously sit them down and say, "You know what? Tell me what I absolutely should NOT say, and then trust me to say the right thing and be able to defend what I say." I believe that she is under-informed on any issue or topic that was not important in her life before she stepped onto a national stage, and unlike most people, I don't think that's a BAD thing. I think by trying to tell people that 'she knows as much as everyone else and she is fully prepared', they have set her up to look stupid. If I were answering some of those questions in her place, here's the spin I'd be taking - "You know what? I'm NOT as experienced, and I haven't been steeped in these things because they were not issues that affected my day-to-day governing. When I stepped into the governor's seat, I had no experience being a governor, but I hit the ground running because I am a quick study and have a good grasp of common, ordinary sense. Senator McCain didn't choose me for my vast knowledge of national and international policy. He chose me because I have proven good instincts, I have shown that I can act, I'm not afraid to buck the established party. Can I explain to you the historical line of incidents that led to the situation we are now faced with in Palestine? No. Do I know who to call and say 'explain this to me before I speak with the Palestinian leaders so that I know who I am speaking with'? Absolutely. A good leader isn't the one who has all the facts at his fingertips. A good leader knows who she can call to get the facts when she needs them." Frankly, I believe that left to her own devices, that's pretty darn close to how she'd be answering some of these questions rather than the utterly ludicrous answers she's been giving because she's trying to incorporate as many talking points into her answers as possible.
• United States
2 Oct 08
Well put.
@otomen (11)
1 Oct 08
i don't really know about this..but whatever it is, i hope that the new president and vice president of USA will won't disturb any other country crisis. Just strengthen your country..
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