Would the Friend of an Abortion Clinic Bomber Be Able to Run for President?

@ParaTed2k (22940)
Sheboygan, Wisconsin
October 15, 2008 1:40pm CST
Democrats shrug off Obama's association with aging terrorist William Ayers by accepting Obama's explanation that "I was 4 years old" when Ayers was a terrorist. But that makes me wonder something. If a Republican ran for president who had the same connection to an abortion clinic bomber, would the democrats accept the same explanation so easily? Somehow I doubt.
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@ZephyrSun (7381)
• United States
15 Oct 08
Somehow I think we did. I haven't see much talk about the woman McCain was "palling around with" shot an abortion doctor that served in the military. And of course McCain wasn't 4 years old at the time either.
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@piasabird (1737)
• United States
15 Oct 08
I'm sorry but haven't heard anything about this and I post on a mostly liberal web site. Could you please provide a link to back this up?
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
15 Oct 08
Here it is: http://www.blueoregon.com/2008/10/john-mccains-as.html I started a discussion about this a few days ago. The woman in question was convicted and the judge called her a "terrorist" in no uncertain terms. Annie
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@devylan (695)
• United States
16 Oct 08
Annie, I was hoping you'd post the link again. I couldn't remember what it was, and yes, I was too lazy to go back and find it.
@spalladino (17891)
• United States
15 Oct 08
In reality, your question is whether the Democrats are biased when it comes to accepting the past histories of former or current associates of those they support for office while being more critical of the associations of those on the other side. I would say that the Democrats AND the Republicans do this equally. Do you find this unusual? This isn't my first rodeo and I can tell you with certainty that this has been the case for as long as there have been elections.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
15 Oct 08
If this isn't your first rodeo, can you give me examples of Republican close associations with known domestic terrorists? And the one Annie pointed out has already been used, so please use others.
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
15 Oct 08
Here's an excerpt from the article that can be found here: http://www.blueoregon.com/2008/10/john-mccains-as.html John McCain and Sarah Palin have been desperately trying to tie Barack Obama to William Ayres - a 60s radical who has since become a professor and Chicago "citizen of the year" nominee. But if guilt-by-association is an acceptable standard for the McCain campaign, says MSNBC's Keith Olbermann, then what do we make of one of McCain's most stalwart supporters? It's a story first reported by the Oregonian's Jeff Mapes (on his blog, back in April), and covered here at BlueOregon. In 1993, John McCain was the keynote speaker at a banquet for the anti-gay hate group, the Oregon Citizens Alliance. Prior to his speech, Marylin Shannon offered a prayer in praise of a woman who shot a Navy veteran and doctor who happened to work at an abortion clinic. The judge who later sentenced the shooter for a string of clinic bombings made it very clear: "You are a terrorist." As I wrote in April: Let's check that again. Marilyn Shannon praises a terrorist who shot a doctor while introducing John McCain, and not only does he stay, he stands up and gives a fundraising address for these terrorist-lovers? And yes, Marylin Shannon later became a state senator, a state GOP official, and a 2008 McCain delegate. (End of excerpt) Is that a close enough association or is this somehow acceptable? Annie
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
15 Oct 08
Very interesting information. I'm going to have to check into this. Thank you!
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
17 Oct 08
Checked up on it. Yeah, at least for me, this does kill the Ayers thing as an issue.
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@devylan (695)
• United States
17 Oct 08
I just want to say, Ted, that even though we disagree on things, I'm glad to call you a friend because you are a reasonable human being.
@cynddvs (2948)
• United States
18 Oct 08
Well the way I see it is they both have ties that are rather questionable. Obama ties have just happened to get more attention (this makes me think the media isn't quite a bias as we might think). Here is an article about some of McCain and Palins ties. I know it's a "left" article so you may not give it much credibility. But you can just research the names yourself and see what you come up with. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mike-lux/guilt-by-associations_b_133758.html I honestly think it's pretty scary that these are the two guys we have to choose from considering a 3rd party candidate will never win.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
18 Oct 08
It isn't the Main Stream Media that has been giving Obama's ties so much attention. They would have completely accepted Obama's lies about Ayers, Wright and others he looks up to if it wasn't for alternative media.
@piasabird (1737)
• United States
15 Oct 08
Uh .... no! It's not just Obama's association with Ayers that has me bothered, but his history of hanging with radicals and socialists. Ayers is just one name out there. Obama gave speeches at Socialist groups. He attended a church for twenty years that believed in Black Liberation Theology. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_liberation_theology He has been friends with Father Michael Pfleger, another radical in Chicago. He lives in the same neighborhood as Louis Farrakhan and Farrakhan thinks he is the Messiah. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVHBLeqYo60 And lately I've been reading about his ties to someone named Odinga who is suppose to be Obama's cousin back in Kenya. This man is evil and no friend of America. Read more about Obama's Kenyan Ghosts here: http://www.washtimes.com/news/2008/oct/12/obamas-kenya-ghosts/ I say, THIS MAN SHOULD NOT BE OUR PRESIDENT!!!!
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
15 Oct 08
True, Ayers is just one example of the anti US sentiment that seems to run in the Obama circle.
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@devylan (695)
• United States
16 Oct 08
Well, supposedly it's a free country, so yes, "the friend of an abortion clinic bomber [would] be able to run for President." Would this registered Democrat like it? No. But then again, I don't often like Republicans' stances on most issues such as this. Just a minor correction, though. I think Obama was actually eight, not four. Let me ask you this: Is this hypothetical abortion clinic bomber still in the practice of bombing abortion clinics and killings innocent people in the process? Or did the person do it a long time ago, when the hypothetical presidential candidate was just a little kid, and has sense served his/her time in prison and doesn't practice the art of this heinous act anymore?
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
17 Oct 08
The point of the Ayers connection has nothing to do with Obama being 8 or 4 (even Obama and the Democrats can't seem to figure out which age to use), it has to do with who he looks up to. The people he looks up to seem to be people who most of us would look down upon. But as Annie pointed out, McCain has his own domestic terrorist association.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
17 Oct 08
I can't say I agree with your conclusion about Obama, but I do respect your right to back him. Personally, I can't see how either of them pass the smell test. Neither of them are trustworthy, nor would either of them pass the same security background check that a US soldier applying for a Top Secrety clearance has to pass.
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@devylan (695)
• United States
17 Oct 08
Fair enough. And yes, he does. Well, Obama honestly wasn't my first choice, and McCain was never going to be a choice for me. I guess only time will tell if either of them will do any good for our country.
@gewcew23 (8007)
• United States
18 Oct 08
I would have to say if the roles were reversed Democrats would be all up in arms. True Obama you were not friends with Ayers when he was a terrorist but you did become friends with him when he said on 9/11 that he being Ayers wished that he had bombed more.
@sid556 (30953)
• United States
18 Oct 08
I think they would accept it about as well as the republicans are accepting Obama's story. Thing is....he was just 4 years old. I would not regard it as anything of any validity from either side. But that is how it is in politics. The republicans are going to keep bringing this issue up and I'm sure if it were the other way around...all the hardcore dems would do the exact same thing.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
18 Oct 08
He was just 4, or 8, or whatever when Ayers was actively seeking to kill cops and US servicemembers. However, the scummy terrorist still says that he wishes they bombed more. Nobody is saying that Obama is involved in the terrorism. Ayers is just another example of scummy wastes of human flesh Obama seems to look up to and associate with. My son was only 10 when Timothy McVeigh bombed the Federal Building in Oklahoma City, but if McVeigh were still alive, and my son associated with him, you'd better believe I'd question his judgement.