Has Any Ticket Ever Won the Presidency Without Winning a Single Debate?

@anniepa (27280)
United States
October 15, 2008 11:14pm CST
This is a sincere question which I looked up but couldn't find the answer to; has anyone ever won a Presidential Election without winning a single one of the Presidential and V.P. debates? It's clear after tonight's final debate that the Dems have swept, and not by just a little either. I know, some of you die-hard Republicans don't see it that way, but I'm going by all of the legitimate polls and neither McCain nor Palin managed to pull one off according to mostly independent and undecided voters. So, can anyone answer this question? I'm really curious... Annie
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@xfahctor (14126)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
16 Oct 08
I guess it would depend on how you define "won the debate". It also has to do with WHO said who won the debates, that varies from person to person and group to group. We gave only in the last couple elections had things like instant polls and instant focus groups during debates. George Bush was thought to have soundly lost the last debate in the last election yet he won soundly in the last election.
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@anniepa (27280)
• United States
16 Oct 08
You're right, but this time everyone seemed to agree that the Democrats won every debate. I know there probably were a few exceptions and it's subject to debate...lol, pun intended! Annie
@II2aTee (2559)
• United States
16 Oct 08
Yes. Four years ago. George Bush lost all four debates. I strongly believe that he won the re-election because of Americas tradition of never changeing presidents during war time.
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@II2aTee (2559)
• United States
16 Oct 08
Pardon me, I meant to say all 3 debates.
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@evanslf (485)
16 Oct 08
Yes you are correct. Kerry won all three debates against George Bush but Bush still had just enough critical mass of committed voters that pushed him over the line. I remember that Kerry was well behind Bush immediately prior to the first debate (6 to 9% behind), then after the first debate he drew almost level in the polls and it stayed that way pretty well until then end. I think though that Cheney won the VP debate against Edwards though I confess to not being absolutely sure about this.
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@anniepa (27280)
• United States
16 Oct 08
But was it unanimous that Bush lost them all? I know I thought he did but I was thinking some of the polls disagreed unlike this time around when it's been a clean sweep for all four, including the V.P., with the possible exception of a few WAAAYYYY far right organizations. Annie
@mcat19 (1357)
• United States
16 Oct 08
I don't know the answer to your question, but I don't imagine many have. What amuses me is how the McCain supporters fool themselves. McCain looked like an uptight nasty old man. No matter what Obama says, McCain trots out the same misrepresentations. He just doesn't get it. It's a real shame that this good man let his handlers ruin his reputation. He's lost my respect completely.
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@anniepa (27280)
• United States
16 Oct 08
That seems to be the general consensus, that he looked like a nasty old man...lol...or Mr. Wilson from Dennis the Menace. Do you really think his handlers are entirely to blame? HE'S the candidate, shouldn't he be the one in control? Of course, I don't think he even chose his own running mate so he may have lost control a long time ago. Annie
• United States
16 Oct 08
Annie, I don't have a definitive answer but I did find a website that referred to debate performances & election outcomes a bit. (http://www.voanews.com/english/2008-09-24voz72.cfm) Seems that it does make a bit of difference. George H.W. Bush looking at his watch while Bill Clinton spoke. Al Gore letting out an audible sigh while George W. Bush answered a question (although I know I let out a collective sigh when Bush won). All of the facial expressions & body language make an impression on the voters. McCain with his constant blinking (didn't I hear something like, "We must not blink" somewhere before?) & exasperated expressions could not have helped his campaign. Instead of discussing what he is going to do, he talked about what Obama has done or will not do & what McCain did in the past. Some maverick. It's the same stuff & he just doesn't get it.
@dawnald (84075)
• Shingle Springs, California
16 Oct 08
I don't know, did they have debates back when George Washington was elected?
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@Thoroughrob (11748)
• United States
16 Oct 08
I don't think so, but we have never had the women and african americans running either. It is going to be quite interesting.
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@ZephyrSun (7382)
• United States
16 Oct 08
I honestly don't know but how did the current Bush do in his debates? I can't picture him winning a debate. Sorry I can't offer any answers good luck. lol I'm sure a conservative will be along soon to tell you either McCain won or that it doesn't matter McCain doesn't have to win to win the election.
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• United States
16 Oct 08
I really don't know. I even went to Fox and checked the polls! lol All of the polls I have seen have Obama winning this debate by a landslide. It would be interesting to know if anyone has ever won the Presidency after losing all the debates, though, wouldn't it? I wonder how we can find out?
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@Opal26 (17686)
• United States
16 Oct 08
Hi annie, I don't believe that anyone has won without winning any debates. But, I'm not totally sure how true that is. So if that runs true to form then that would be just great. From what I saw tonight McCain just looked and sounded so pathetic and weak. I only saw a bit of it and that was quite enough for me! His answer when compared to Bush was so ridiculous that there just wasn't anything left for him to say. He was so on the defensive with just about everything he said and his weakness just came through everytime he opened his mouth. He would have been better off not even showing up or just plain saying nothing at all.
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