"My Plan is to Spread the Wealth Around"

@ParaTed2k (22977)
Sheboygan, Wisconsin
October 18, 2008 12:48am CST
That is all we need to know about Obama. He's nothing but a thief who wants the government to legitimize his crimes. Taxes are to pay for the expenses of running the government, not to rob Peter to pay Paul. The ultimate hypocrisy in all this is Obama himself doesn't practice what he preaches. He demands that we all give whatever HE decides is enough, but the lying sack of crap spends his own money on mansions and extravagant living. I wonder how many people he could feed if he sold that S. Chicago mansion, lived in respectable, but modest digs and donated his excess to feed the poor? He doesn't spread his wealth to anyone but that wife who thinks all you can do with $600 is "buy a couple of sets of earrings". Neither of them would part with a buck for the needy if their lives depended on it. Of course he won't, to scum like him, charity is for the government, not for those him.
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@sharra1 (6341)
• Australia
19 Oct 08
As an Australian I see nothing wrong with a tiered tax system. We have one that is 4 tiers and works quite well. It protects people who earn under $16000 from paying much tax, it charges a reasonable tax on middle income earners and any one who earns over $180,000 is charge a higher rate on any money they earn above that. I do not see that as 'robbing' the rich I see it as fair. Our tax system also support welfare for people who are unemployed, ill, disabled and old. People who are rich have many chances to reduce their taxable income by supporting charities, investing their money in ways the benefit the economy and special benefits for each child, for school costs and business costs. It is a very fair system for all. I see so much argument against government regulations her but if you remove the government you have anarchy and that is a recipe to self destruction. Governments have to run the country for everyone not just the individuals it is a community. Oh and before you start yelling about it being socialist, it is not, it is sensible capitalism that stops the excesses and the greed and looks after all Americans not just the rich.
• United States
19 Oct 08
Our tax system in the US also taxes people based on income. That is only fair. But the wealthy already pay 35% in taxes! Thirty five percent of their total income, and Obama wants still more. He is a member of the New Party, and they want a "social wage" for everyone. So apparently, their ultimate goal is everyone the same, making the same amount of money, all the wealth redistributed. Of course, that would exclude the top echelon, as it always does.
@sharra1 (6341)
• Australia
19 Oct 08
I do not think 35c in the dollar is that much. Our top level is 45% but that is only for the income about $180,000. They still get the first 6000 tax free and the pay the relevant percentage on the money that falls into each tax bracket. I think that is fair. I do not see it as robbing anyone. Without taxes you cannot have infrastructure you cannot have a country. I think 35% for someone earning 250,000 up is too low. We have 15%, 30%, 40% and 45%, 30% is for people earning up to 34,000, the next tier covers people who earn up to 80,000 and the last is for people on 180,000 and above.
@sharra1 (6341)
• Australia
19 Oct 08
Sorry got that wrong it is 15% for earning up to 34,000, 30% for those earning up to 80,000, 40% for those earning up to 180,000 and 45 % for all those who earn about 180,000.
@xParanoiax (6997)
• United States
19 Oct 08
Robin Hood was technically a thief and a criminal. What are taxes really, than theft anymore anyway? It used to be voluntary...since the government is supposed to be a servant of the people...not the other way around. But I digress. I'm rather skeptical about how he's gonna pay for what he says he's gonna do (I don't doubt that the money's AROUND and will probably need relocated or sommat...but HOW he goes about doing it is rather important). Anyway, his wife mentioned working at a hospital or something the other day on Larry King. Plus, he did community work a few years back. You can't say that they've done NOTHING for regular folks. WHETHER he'll continue to do so, of course, is subject to debate and actually a decent thing to be skeptical on (politicians can and will say anything and everything you wanna hear). McCain's married to a friggen HEIRESS. You can't at all say he's better. Ever wonder why people're more seriously considering members of third parties than ever? If you're that p*ssed about rich politicians, then obviously you need to go look for a true underdog. I'll applaud you, I really will. I love true underdog's -- people of the main two parties who don't really go that much against the fray...can't be underdogs and I don't care how poorly they're doing politically. Again...I was a Ron Paul supporter. He's a doctor, AND he's often a lone voice against the fray...so you see where I like to go politically.
• United States
19 Oct 08
I'm not against rich politicians or rich people. I'm against Obama's picture of the US as a socialist state! McCain is married to an heiress, but they both do a LOT of charity work, both financially and with their time. McCain has proven that he cares about people in need and that he cares about our country. It's one thing to disagree with him, but it's not right the way people are blasting him, calling him racist, liar, and saying he doesn't care. Obama has yet to prove he is for the people. He talks a great talk, but his numbers don't add up and neither does his record so far. None of it supports what he is saying he wants to do. But his membership in the New Party says a LOT to me, and his spread the wealth message gets scarier every time he describes it.
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• United States
19 Oct 08
You're allowed to support who you like. Personally, I'm skeptical that McCain has completely proved it as well because of the way he votes alot of the time. Ledbetter's equal pay bill for example. But again, I'm not out to sway anyone's voting decision: I support neither of them. All I hear is "OBAMA'S SO TERRIBLE" from everyone. So...you must live in different circles than I. I'm aware that there's gonna be "MCCAIN'S SO TERRIBLES" as well... But I'm part of the crowd who believes: "Meh, either way we're probably screwed at this point."...and not because I don't care, because I do...but just because I've seen too much from either of these main candidates to hold much of a favorable notion of faith for either of them. Both extreme capitalism and extreme socialism is bad. (As shown in excellent examples of other countries) That's all I see potentially from both of them. So...my skepticalness about how either of them will be beneficial remains. ...I won't be swayed, and neither will most of you, and that's fine.
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@ParaTed2k (22977)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
19 Oct 08
Actually Robin Hood was a criminal, but not a thief. The whole "Steal from the rich to give to the poor" is almost exactly the opposite of what he did. He didn't steal from the rich to give to the poor, he took back what rightfully belonged to the people. Remember, Prince John had no authority to tax anyone. Prince John was a traitor to King Richard, a murderer and a thief. But yes, Robin Hood was a criminal because it was illegal to attack royalty.
• United States
19 Oct 08
Well Ted, being an Obama fan, I can say.. this is why there are some things best not to talk about .politics and religion. I am finishing my degree in Psychology and one thing I am learning is that that as numerous as there are people there are opinions. In College we are told that to make a good argument you need to be able to see both your side and the other person's side. I see your side as angry and totallly anti-Obama and my side is quite inspired and pro Obama. Who's right we will find out come elections and then afterwards as we see the man lead. I sure the heck don't want Mr. McCain if that means more of the same of what we got..since right now that leaves us with very little.. McCain is not young and the one by his side..has her own baggage..You just gotta get beyond the masks.
@ParaTed2k (22977)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
19 Oct 08
The difference is, you seem to ingore anything about Obama you consider a negative... which is not critical thinking at all. In fact, it isn't thinking at all, it is merely star struck hero worship.. Obama says he wants taxation to be about spreading the wealth, but he never saw any reason to voluntarily spread his own wealth around. That is hypocritical. btw, I've never said McCain was great either. To me we are picking from a piss poor roster of applicants this time.
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• United States
19 Oct 08
Ted: Shows how much you know..Obama posts everything he does for public view. I am not star struck! I went from a staunch republican catholic..which is a no no to do..to someone who is open to change. There are more issues on the table besides taxation.. That's one thing I notice on people who pick apart Obama..THey pick just one thing that they want to ride on and keep focused on that..The country consists of many issues and the country is run by more then the president. Although we elect a President..there is the Senate and House of Representatives that have a lot to say in what happens in our country!
@ParaTed2k (22977)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
19 Oct 08
True, there is more to the government than just the president and I agree that too many people act as if the president is the only one with any responsibility. I also agree that there is more to Obama than just his socialist taxation views. In fact, I have written in support of some of Obama's other views. I agree with him on building the military, but disagree with him that there should be a National Guard general on the Joint Chiefs. I agree with him that we need to get away from our dependence on foriegn oil, but disagree with him about oil in general. Yes, we should be pursuing alternate energy sources, but none of the sources he backs are ready to replace oil, coal or nuclear yet. See, that is what critical thinking is all about. I look at the stances on the issues of each candidate and make my choice based on them. But this particular discussion is about Obama's statement that he wants to "spread the wealth around"... which by his own actions must mean "spread everyone else's wealth around" since his own actions show that he has no interest in spreading his own wealth around. 6% is a pathetic rate of charitible donations. The fact he considers "The Congressional Black Caucus" a charity tells me that he has no idea what the word "charity" even means.
@piasabird (1737)
• United States
18 Oct 08
Are you kidding? They only give like 1% of their income to charity and it's gone up to 6% since he started running for president. Of course a big portion of that went to Trinity church and Rev. Wright. Anyway, his motto is "do as I say and not as I do". You know his half brother lives on less than a dollar a month in a shack in a ghetto back in Africa. You'd think his brother could spare a dollar or two. Actually I'm looking forward to a socialist government. I'm poor and I am looking forward to getting some of the rich people's money and free health care. I'm quitting my job!
@ParaTed2k (22977)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
19 Oct 08
Piasabird, you left out the fact that a lot of that 6% in "charitable donations" went to that starving and suffering group of people known as The Congressional Black Caucus.
@gewcew23 (8010)
• United States
18 Oct 08
Commander and Thief I do believe is a charge that some have made against President Bush, but truly would be fitting for President Obama. Some will elect a politician to do what they would not do for all the money in the world. Most of who will vote for Obama come November would never in a million years try to come to my house and try to take my wealth. Yet these same people will elect politicians that will seize more of my earning and give to those who did not earn it. What you are discribing is the classic wealth liberal who love to talk about how they are going to help the poor with your money. Since there has been alot of talk about G. Gorden Liddy this week why not use one of his quotes, “A liberal is someone who feels a great debt to his fellow man, which debt he proposes to pay off with your money."