I Give Up On British Justice!
By Darkwing
@Darkwing (21583)
October 25, 2008 3:39am CST
The sentence on my granddaughter's ex is now through. Thank goodness she saw the light before it was to late, and stood up to him, because goodness knows what might happen if she hadn't!He was due to be sentenced on Tuesday last but he was late arriving, so it had to be postponed! They put it back to Friday, (yesterday) and he actually arrived on time, to receive his sentence. My son and daughter-in-law were duly phoned and are disgusted with the whole thing.
Sentence: One year's supervision order, with restrictions around my son, his home and family lifted!!! 
Last week, there was a knock on my son's door at just after 9 p.m. on the Saturday, and an ex of Sarah's stood there... one who was allowed to come round to the house... quite a nice lad. He told my son and daughter-in-law that this lad had threatened him and "made" my granddaughter go out with him. This would ring true, because my granddaughter would protect her friends and family by going to meet him, just so they didn't suffer something that was perhaps her fault. Anyway, son and daughter-in-law went over through the woods to Radio Mercury's grounds where the kids hang out a lot... no sign. They called and waited and about ten minutes later, my granddaughter emerged, fortunately unscathed.
When I saw her the next day, she had been for an interview at "New Look", a fashion shop, for part-time work, and she told me she had kicked him into touch once and for all. I'm proud of her!!! I think when I took her out of there, she saw him for what he really was, and she's done everything she can to rid herself, her family and her friends of the torment. She's excited about going to New York in April and she's secured a job at New Look, on Thursday late evenings, and Saturday afternoons. She gets fifty percent off the cost of her clothes now, which she always buys from New Look anyway, so she's "cock-a-hoop" at the moment.
Now though... another knock back. My daughter-in-law is frustrated, my son is extremely hacked off with the magistrates and his brother is ready to go up there and defend him... with a mate, if necessary. No wonder there are so many social problems in this country! No wonder the kids carry knives! It's nothing to do with their parents and upbringing... it's a means of protecting themselves against the thugs that the juridicial system allows to walk free! I despair of them, I really do!
Let's face it... all of you thought he would at least go to a detention centre and have a restraint put on him to keep away from the family and their home... but noooooo... he's lied his way through this again, and his defence council have helped him. I think it's disgraceful! What do you all think... I've kept you up to date with this all along? Do we try to move on and ignore the fact that he could loom up any time, or do we take the law into our own hands if needs be, bearing in mind that the longer he's allowed to bully his way through life, the more people get hurt? I know which way my tendencies lean at the moment, and I never believed in fighting violence with violence, but where is our protection... our justice?
Last week, there was a knock on my son's door at just after 9 p.m. on the Saturday, and an ex of Sarah's stood there... one who was allowed to come round to the house... quite a nice lad. He told my son and daughter-in-law that this lad had threatened him and "made" my granddaughter go out with him. This would ring true, because my granddaughter would protect her friends and family by going to meet him, just so they didn't suffer something that was perhaps her fault. Anyway, son and daughter-in-law went over through the woods to Radio Mercury's grounds where the kids hang out a lot... no sign. They called and waited and about ten minutes later, my granddaughter emerged, fortunately unscathed.
When I saw her the next day, she had been for an interview at "New Look", a fashion shop, for part-time work, and she told me she had kicked him into touch once and for all. I'm proud of her!!! I think when I took her out of there, she saw him for what he really was, and she's done everything she can to rid herself, her family and her friends of the torment. She's excited about going to New York in April and she's secured a job at New Look, on Thursday late evenings, and Saturday afternoons. She gets fifty percent off the cost of her clothes now, which she always buys from New Look anyway, so she's "cock-a-hoop" at the moment.
Now though... another knock back. My daughter-in-law is frustrated, my son is extremely hacked off with the magistrates and his brother is ready to go up there and defend him... with a mate, if necessary. No wonder there are so many social problems in this country! No wonder the kids carry knives! It's nothing to do with their parents and upbringing... it's a means of protecting themselves against the thugs that the juridicial system allows to walk free! I despair of them, I really do!
Let's face it... all of you thought he would at least go to a detention centre and have a restraint put on him to keep away from the family and their home... but noooooo... he's lied his way through this again, and his defence council have helped him. I think it's disgraceful! What do you all think... I've kept you up to date with this all along? Do we try to move on and ignore the fact that he could loom up any time, or do we take the law into our own hands if needs be, bearing in mind that the longer he's allowed to bully his way through life, the more people get hurt? I know which way my tendencies lean at the moment, and I never believed in fighting violence with violence, but where is our protection... our justice?2 people like this
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@Lakota12 (42600)
• United States
26 Oct 08
awwwww NO! I cant beleiv it what is your judges thiking about letting him go like that and lefting the restaint order to keep away from her and your whole sons family?!!!!!
THey say karma takes care of things but it might be too late.
Ya need to find a couple of huge fellers and go up there and put the fear of something in him!
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@Darkwing (21583)
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27 Oct 08
Lol... have you been watching too many films on television? No, you're right... that sort of thing does happen... and worse, but do we really want to be tangled up in something horrific. I just want him to learn that he can't go around bullying his way through life. xx
@Darkwing (21583)
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26 Oct 08
Precisely my thoughts, my friend. We're not short of offers but I fear that some of the people I know might not let him off too lightly, if at all! So, I'm hoping he doesn't darken their doorstep again. I don't want the weight of guilt on my shoulders but I also want him right out of mine and my family's lives.
Brightest Blessings, and thank you for your contribution, my dear friend. xx
@teapotmommommerced (10359)
• United States
2 Nov 08
I do not believe in handling violence with violence. I think your son should wait and see if the kid does anything else. I think your granddaughter needs to be open and honest and tell her parents if he threatens her again. That way she can go to the police or go and get help from some big strong guys to beat the crap out of him then.
He is just a punk and maybe if so one cleans his clock and gives him what he is giving to your grand daughter and son then he might learn a lesson. Good luck to all involved.
I am so pleased for your granddaughter. I hope she can go far in her career.
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@Darkwing (21583)
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25 Nov 08
If my son was going to hit him, he would have done it the first time, but he didn't, so I doubt he would now, but this kid tore my son's family apart for quite a while, and he lied in court to get away with it!!!
If you've been following the story, which I think you have, you will know that I went up there and took her out, which relieved her greatly at the time. Since I showed her the back-up and love she has behind her, she's sorted things out herself. She's doing well at college... even went on a trip with them to the Houses of Parliament the other day, and she's told him, in no uncertain terms, to sling his hook. Good on her... I've told her I'm proud of her. Now, she has her career in law to look forward to and a visit to New York for five days, in April. She's happier now than I've seen her in almost two years, which makes me happy. As for him... he can do his damndest but there's no way we will stand by and watch her go through all that again. She's learned a valuble lesson here, I think, so we're all hoping for better things in the future.
Brightest Blessings and thwank you for your contribution, my friend. x
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@teapotmommommerced (10359)
• United States
4 Dec 08
Darkwing I am so proud of her and I do not even know her. I am sorry she had to learn that hard lesson. I hope she will never take any crap from a man or anyone ever again. Good luck to her on her studies and her trip to new york. I do love new York.
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@winterose (39887)
• Canada
25 Oct 08
yep it is exactly the same everywhere I find.
he would have gotten much the same sentence here actually
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@Darkwing (21583)
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25 Oct 08
You know, my friend, that really makes me angry! The fact that my son abided by the law, and took the beating... and for what? I despair.. it's no wonder people take to shooting intruders in self defence and what have you.
Brightest Blessings, and thank you for your contribution. x
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@winterose (39887)
• Canada
25 Oct 08
I know it is just awful. Who does justice serve anyhow.
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@mummymo (23706)
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26 Oct 08
Oh Darkwing honey I totally understand how you feel and I know a lot of police officers who feel the same way too. After my son was assualted by a 20 year old in August I was told by the Police Officers that they were treating it very seriously as he was a juvenile who had been badly hurt be an adult with no provocation or reason at all. We are still waiting to hear from the Procurator Fiscal whether or not this thug is going to court etc and I know for a fact that the reports as well as his medical report of his injury was sent to them in August. I was told at that time that this person had a long record and he is in no way intimidated by being in trouble. I was also told that quite often people are convicted of up to 12 assaults before they are given any custodial sentence - no wonder as you say they think they can do what they like.
I totally understand why you and the family are torn and are prepared to fight violence with violence and to be honest I was told that would be a very effective thing to do - i have even had offers from people I know would 'teach this guy a lesson' but I think that would just leave us feeling guilty and low - like we are allowing ourselves to be lowered to that level. I don't know what to say here as I know how awful it must feel to be worried about this and what you should do - all I can do is keep you in my thoughts and prayers and hope that he stays well away!
Hugs xxxx
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@Darkwing (21583)
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26 Oct 08
Hello, my dear friend. It's good to see you again. I'm sorry though, to hear that your son was beaten in August. It's terrible when you see them all battered and bruised, and for what reason? Really, there's no apparent reason other than for the thug to try and enforce his authority. Well, I'm sorry! I took it in my own hands to go and free her from that beast, and I won't feel guilty about taking further actions should he darken my family's doorstep again. I know quite a few people who would do more than just rough him up a bit... don't forget we're on the main London-Brighton road here... it's not difficult to find them!
I'm not normally one to fight violence with violence but I've seen my son and his family go so far downhill that they almost hit rock bottom and when given that little bit of hope, it all had to be snatched away again. Christmas is approaching... a time which my family normally love, but with him looming over us, it's not going to be the best we ever had, and my little granddaughter is still traumatised by all this.
Oh well... I have to believe in the power of three and Karma... justice will be done in the end, I guess. Brightest Blessings, my friend, and thank you for your prayers and thoughts. Mine come to you also. xxx
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@Darkwing (21583)
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27 Oct 08
Yes, I can imagine your feelings that night. I tried to stay calm when I went to get Sarah out because the little lout didn't know me and I felt it better to keep it normal. My soul aim was to get her out, but I DID take protection with me just in case he decided to flip his lid! That seems to have been the sole saviour in all this actually as my granddaughter remarked that she'd never seen him look so scared as he did that night, and I think it brought it home to her that he's not as tough as he likes to make out. Hence, she's stood up to him ever since.
Ok, she's been through the mill and she's lucky! We've all supported her through everything and she knows we're here for her... whatever. The people I feel more sorry for are my little granddaughter, who is scarred for life and probably scared of men outside the trusted family circle now, and my son and daughter-in-law who came so close to losing their second child and who have tried so hard to give their kids everything they need. Life can be cruel sometimes, and I'm quite perturbed that so many juveniles and indeed adults get away with this sort of crime.
Yes, we had offers as well, just as you did... from the London criminal underground even... but could we live with what these people are likely to do? The boy needs his head sorted out and to learn that he can't go through life doing the things he is... the legal system and social services are responsible for seeing that that's done, but what help are they either to victim or criminal? They're all useless, my friend, and they only leave us one alternative, don't you think?
Brightest Blessings... our thoughts and prayers are shared my dear friend. xxx
@mummymo (23706)
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26 Oct 08
You know how upset I sometimes get about my lack of mobility Darkwing? I was actually thankful for it that night as the assault happened on the corner of my street and if I had been able to go out there I have no idea what I would have done to this 'person', I had to stop my other half going out as I was scared he would end up being charged and convicted - we all know that happens right?
I can totally understand why even someone who is opposed to violence would condone or even encourage it in these situations my friend believe me I would not judge at all, I think I just meant that keep it to what you can live with if you understand what I mean? I even had contact from Spain asking for details of the person who assaulted my son to exact revenge but couldn't bring myself to pass that information on!
As concerns your family of course it is wrong that they have had to go through so much and I can only try to imagine the hurt and suffering you have all gone through and at the end of the day you need to do what you need to do to keep you all safe!
You are always in my prayers sweety! xxxx
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@littleowl (7157)
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25 Oct 08
This absolutely disgusting of the judge, how on earth could he of done that with all the physical proof etc he and lawyers had lift the the injunction around your son!! This is beyond me..physical abuse for as long as I have known has been a jail sentence...maybe the prisons are too full with theives rather than the more of the dangerous crimes....the one thing I do ask NOT to do is take the law into your own hands, as tempting as it may be, but it could mean you getting into trouble rather than that excuse of a man/boy...I feel really awful an upset for you my dear friend and am a loss for words...Blessed Be littleowl
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@Darkwing (21583)
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26 Oct 08
Well, he lied about it being self-defence, didn't he, and his defence assisted him in lying. In fact, they almost accused my daughter in law of lying until a neighbour stood up in court and told what had happened. Yet still, even though he's lied, he gets away with it. I just don't understand my friend.
As for taking the law into our own hands, we won't do that unless he steps out of line. I'm not standing by and see all that happen again. My son still has dark marks under his eyes to this day!
I think I have something you may be interested in... a bit of goss, but I have to find out exactly what it is first. It concerns something you and I have spoken about. Just be careful with whom you associate in the meantime, my friend. All doesn't sound good. Take care, and Brightest Blessings. xxx
@littleowl (7157)
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26 Oct 08
Hello my dear friend..please take care yourself but I can sympathise very much about your son and his family, that must be such a frustrating situation my thoughts are with you..thank you also for the advice..hope to hear from you soon..Blessed Be littleowl
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@Darkwing (21583)
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26 Oct 08
The advice is no problem... just something that came to my ears out of the blue, when I was asked if I was still in touch with you. I'll find out by Wednesday when I will see this person face to face, but will try and get to the hub of it before then, if at all possible. We've both been poorly, so not on the computer too much. It's difficult to type and cough to that extent, at any one given time! 
Thank you for your Blessings... please take care yourself, as I think this could be very close to home. xxx
Thank you for your Blessings... please take care yourself, as I think this could be very close to home. xxx
@gitfiddleplayer (10362)
• United States
27 Oct 08
Don't give up, that's what they want you to do. Defend at all costs! I would protect myself, that's a basic human right. Don't go looking for trouble but be ready if it comes.
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@Darkwing (21583)
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27 Oct 08
According to the law of this country, you're now allowed only to deliver one blow in self-defense. If you don't do that right, then you have to suffer the consequences, I guess, and that makes little sense to me at all.
I agree though that we should be ready if trouble comes, but my son and his family no longer have the protection of the police if the lad calls round to their house, unless he does something drastic, like shooting at them, etc. Now, what the heck good is that if he wants to get revenge for the court case? I give in... really, I have NO faith in the legal system here.
Brightest Blessings and thank you for your contribution.
@Darkwing (21583)
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28 Oct 08
No sense at all. It's the same as when they said my granddaughter was old enough at the age of 16 to go and stay with whomever she wanted... but... and here this... the parents are still resPONsible for her! How do you figure that, when they have no idea where she is or how to assert their responsibility? The world's gone mad, my friend and all in the name o
f Human Rights! Hah!!! Where are ours then?
On a more serious note, it's little wonder that third party thugs become involved and sort out... maybe even eliminate the perpetrators, is it?
Brightest Blessings, my friend. xx
f Human Rights! Hah!!! Where are ours then?
On a more serious note, it's little wonder that third party thugs become involved and sort out... maybe even eliminate the perpetrators, is it?
Brightest Blessings, my friend. xx
@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
28 Oct 08
This kid is a bully. Bullies are cowards at heart and they only undersatand the language of bullies. While a part of me wants to suggest that you get some big blokes to go play the heavy with him, lean on him and give him a severe warning about going near your granddaughter or her family...etc, etc.
The only thing I would worry about is that the little creep would take things out on your granddaughter...she being not in a position to fight him. Just remember, you cannot watch her all the time and this little creep sounds like he can be really dangerous. Best of luck and may your family blessed be.
@Darkwing (21583)
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28 Oct 08
If I sent around the "Big Guys" that I know, I wouldn't have to worry about him every bothering my granddaughter again. He wouldn't be walking! But, I'm holding back on anything as drastic as that, my friend. It's not my style, although I am being pushed that way by the legal system's inadequacy.
We'll wait and see if he gets lairy again, but my son will be ready for him this time. Brightest Blessings my dear friend and thank you for your concern. x
@craftcatcher (3699)
• United States
28 Oct 08
Oh for crying out loud! That is just a ridiculously inappropriate sentence! I don't blame you all for being so upset. If it was me and he ever showed up at my door again I do whatever is necessary to protect myself and my family and he better pray that we never meet in a dark alley by "accident". Dude may wake up a few days later with a wicked headache and missing his tiny testies.
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@Darkwing (21583)
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28 Oct 08
Oh wow... are you planning a trip over here sometime soon, my friend. You sound like just the person I need.
Seriously though, it was always going to happen. They don't know what to do with the minors who constantly commit offences, and they're on this "human rights" thing full time, aren't they? Well, I wish they'd let me know what gives somebody the damn right to take away another's rights!!! He lied his way through court saying it was self-defence and that he fell on top of my son, which is how he got the facial bruises and swellings. Not only that, his defence supported him, and even almost accused my DIL of lying! She even brought a witness to reiterate what happened... or her lawyers did, and he still gets off with the lies. I have several offers from some really nasty people from the underworld, so he'd better keep his nose clean, because I'm angry!!!
Brightest Blessings my dear friend and thank you for your contribution. x
Seriously though, it was always going to happen. They don't know what to do with the minors who constantly commit offences, and they're on this "human rights" thing full time, aren't they? Well, I wish they'd let me know what gives somebody the damn right to take away another's rights!!! He lied his way through court saying it was self-defence and that he fell on top of my son, which is how he got the facial bruises and swellings. Not only that, his defence supported him, and even almost accused my DIL of lying! She even brought a witness to reiterate what happened... or her lawyers did, and he still gets off with the lies. I have several offers from some really nasty people from the underworld, so he'd better keep his nose clean, because I'm angry!!!
Brightest Blessings my dear friend and thank you for your contribution. x
@tamarafireheart (15384)
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25 Oct 08
Hi Darkwing,
Oh, I really think it is most disgusting for this bad speciesment of a heman being to have got away with it, he should have been put away at least three months, instead he is let loose on the public again to torment people and get away with it, I'm not one for violence but he should have beed horse whipped, at least your granddaughter is ok and making good of herself. Bright blessings.
Tamara
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