The Democrats Have Been Wrong Since FDR

United States
October 28, 2008 12:46pm CST
There was a time in this country when even the poor dared to be industrious. That is what the "American Dream" is all about, rising up from modest means to becoming captains of industry. If you study little known history, you'll find the names of all races of mankind in the list of those who made something of themselves by hard work and with the belief that they had an idea that was worth the effort. However, when FDR became President, he put us on the road to socialism with his "New Deal." Instead of people doing for themselves, they started depending on the government. This trend continued and was expanded on with LBJ's "Great Society." Now Obama wants to "Share the Wealth." He also purposes to build the economy from the bottom up. My question is: If it takes capital to start and maintain a business, how can Obama build the economy from the bottom, where there is no capital, up? It is my opinion that Obama's economic plans are, like all former Democrat Presidents, not sound. If you can show me where I'm wrong, I'd love to hear from you.
4 responses
@ClarusVisum (2163)
• United States
28 Oct 08
First of all, "sharing the wealth" is a meaningless term. ALL TAXES "share the wealth"! We all pay into a pool that goes back out to us in the form of social services etc. It was immensely stupid to try and make an attack out of that phrase, imo, considering what a basic part of any industrialized economy taxes are. Secondly, perhaps you'd like to read an excerpt from Obama's "closing arguments" speech: "Now, understand, I don't believe that government can or should try to solve all our problems. You don't believe that either. But I do believe that government should do that which we cannot do for ourselves -- protect us from harm; provide a decent education for all children -- (cheers, applause); invest in new roads and new bridges, in new science and technology. (Applause.) Our government should reward drive and innovation and encourage growth in the free market, but it should also make sure businesses live up to their responsibility to create American jobs, and look out for American workers, and play by the rules of the road. (Cheers, applause.) It should ensure a shot at success, not just for those with money and power and influence, but for every single American who's willing to work. That's how we create not just more millionaires or more billionaires, but how we create more middle-class families. That's how we make sure businesses have customers that can afford their products or services. That's how we've always grown the American economy -- from the bottom-up. John McCain calls this socialism. I call it opportunity. (Cheers, applause.) And there is nothing more American than that. (Cheers, applause.)" Doesn't this fly directly in the face of what you just argued?
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@rodney850 (2145)
• United States
28 Oct 08
ClarusVisum, What is funny here is how you always seem to miss the irony of what Obama has to say. "That's how we create not just more millionaires or more billionaires, but how we create more middle-class families. That's how we make sure businesses have customers that can afford their products or services. That's how we've always grown the American economy -- from the bottom-up" --Barack Obama Exactly what he wants to create; paycheck to paycheck beholden to the government for whatever they can get from them be it a stimulis check or a tax cut! This, contrary to what Obama believes, is NOT the American dream but the American nightmare! An economy CANNOT be built from the bottom up because it STILL requires you to go to the TOP for capital thus debunking the "bottom-up" theory! You can build absolutely nothing with nothing as a foundation!
• United States
28 Oct 08
It's really funny to see you singing the praises of an economic policy that's already failed this country over the past eight years. How come it's always a Republican administration that breaks the previous record for the size of a national defecit?
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@rodney850 (2145)
• United States
28 Oct 08
Funny, the only thing about the economy that has failed in the last eight years is the debaucle with the housing industry and that lies squarely on the backs of the democrats and the pusing of high risk loans as far back as Carter but really reinforced by none other than your hero, slick willie!
@katran (590)
• United States
28 Oct 08
Thank you very much! I am glad someone else in this world has some brains. There was a time when I was a bleeding-heart, fiscally liberal, misinformed little girl and I thought that the Democrat's socialist-leaning economic policies would lead to a world of sunshine and rainbows and smiley faces, but it only took a little education in economics and some time in the real world for me to realize that when I and the people I love work HARD for our money, it is not fair that some people only have to walk down to the corner and pick up a welfare check. Why is that? Why do a few upper-middle class families have to bust their butts to feed their children and pay their mortgages AND pay for people who aren't working? One way that my mind was changed on this subject was a little illustration that my uncle gave me: "You make good grades, right? You have like a 3.8 or something? Well, what if you had a friend who was failing. Would you be willing to average your GPA with hers so that you both have average GPAs? No? Well, why not?" I'll tell you why not. Because I worked hard and they didn't. It is okay for the government to take care of some things, like keeping us safe and keeping our education system up to par, but don't mess with my health care, and don't take my hard-earned money and give it to someone else.
@rodney850 (2145)
• United States
28 Oct 08
Well said, Katran!
• United States
29 Oct 08
Thanks for your comments. I wish others would be as logical as you've been.
@newtondak (3950)
• United States
28 Oct 08
I have to totally agree and am eager to see responses that explain how it is to work.
• United States
28 Oct 08
That's why I started the discussion. I want it explain to me how those with nothing can build wealth for the entire country. If they could, why haven't they already done it?
@newtondak (3950)
• United States
28 Oct 08
From what Obama's tax calculator says, pretty much everyone making under $200,000 would get a $1,000 tax break. However, when you enter a family making $50 - $75,000 with three children and child care expenses, it says under Obama's plan they would get a $1,000 tax break and under McCain's plan they would get a $967 tax break - don't see much difference there. I can enter just a married couple making the same amount and I still get a $1,000 tax break - which actually doesn't seem quite fair as the couple with children should get more of a break because they have dependents.
@rodney850 (2145)
• United States
28 Oct 08
6precious, The democrats know exactly what they are doing. Their actions don't go without reward. For decades now they have used this "share the wealth" philosophy to enslave (and yes that's the right word) the poor. To make them dependant on the democratic party and all of their give-away programs and make them less desirous of self sustenance and the pride of a job well done!
@newtondak (3950)
• United States
28 Oct 08
Yes, they encourage dependence on government - someone explain to me why this something that we should want!