Cheater!!!

@camomom (7535)
United States
November 7, 2008 5:34pm CST
My stepson has gotten caught cheating in school twice in the last month. He's only in first grade and we want to stop it before he goes into second grade. His dad and I don't understand why he would do such a thing. He's so smart and it was something stupid to do. He cheated on a spelling test today, copying off of another students paper. He knows his spelling words. His dad quizzed him today after school and he knew all of them. I just don't get it. Our dilema is that we need to teach him that it's wrong and he needs to be punished because of it. We don't know what a good punishment is for him. Cheating is a new thing for us to deal with. What do you think a good punishment is for a seven year old child that cheats in school? HELP, Please.
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@katsmeow1213 (28717)
• United States
8 Nov 08
I'm not really sure about this. From the bit of his life I know of, I think this is a desperate cry for attention. Living in an unstable situation like he does, being shuffled from one house to another and being pitted against his parents is very difficult for a child so young to have to endure. Cheating in class is minor to the problems I think this boy is going to cause later in life. He's having trouble finding a coping mechanism, and to a young child, acting out is their way of coping. I don't mean to make you feel guilty, it could very well be his own mother's fault for the things she's doing to him. Does his school have a psychiatrist? Speaking to them may be of some help. Also, from my experience and what I've learned over the years, it's best to down play bad behavior in a situation like this. If he's acting out for attention, and he actually gets attention, then that's feeding the fire. If his bad behavior is ignored he will not be inspired to continue it. In the future when you hear of him doing something out of character, do not yell or rant or even talk to him. Send him to his room to be alone to think about what he did. But give more attention when he's actually behaving. He will soon learn that doing the right thing gets him far more attention than doing the wrong thing.
@camomom (7535)
• United States
8 Nov 08
The situation he's in now is more stable then it was before his father fought for custody. I do think he needs a therapist but the school is of no help with the idea. They have one but they tend to take his mothers side because she used to work at the school so they know her. They've heard all her lies about his dad and believe her. We can't afford therapy outside of school and insurance barely covers anything. I think maybe your right about downplaying the bad and rewarding the good. We try but sometimes it makes him act out worse because then he thinks he can get away with more. He has no discipline at his moms. If he gets grounded or punished at our house he doesn't care because he knows he's going back to her house on monday to get rewarded for his behavior. We just don't know what to do anymore. All the good we do, she destroys it. Thanks for you advice and I think maybe we'll try it again and see what happens this time.
@camomom (7535)
• United States
17 Dec 08
Just an update, He is going into counseling with the hekp from the school. The principal and I suggested it to both parents. The first appointment is set for January 14th. I have been suggesting this since he was 4 years old. His mother wouldn't agree to it. The court decided that there would be no medical decisions (such as this) made without the permission of both parents. I got the school involved, now she's agreeing to it, only because the school is involved.
• Malaysia
8 Nov 08
Sometimes a hit on the buttocks is necessary to make a child learns something about the morals in life. Nowadays we tend to be too generous with our kids, and sometimes we are too gentle on them. They never experience any hardships like we did when we were in childhood times. As a normal rule, people generally learns from his own life experience. The same thing goes with a child. When he is hit, he will know that his act is seriously disapproved by you. And you have to be firm with your decision. Never make him think you are playing games with him. But you at the same time you have to make sure he doesn't think you don't love him anymore. It is hard to bring up a child. Actually it really depends on the child himself. What is his perception towards certain attitude. If he is a negative person, it would be much difficult to teach him a lesson of life by hitting. Maybe the best is try to refer to the counselor. He may be able to offer you several more solutions than what I am giving you.
@camomom (7535)
• United States
8 Nov 08
We don't spank our kids unless they do something that they can get seriously injured doing. We speak firmly or even yell at times. We also try the grounding thing but it doesn't always work with him.
• United States
8 Nov 08
Grounding doesn't really work for us either. Typically taking away things like TV & computer do the trick on this end. But it's a battle to get them turned off I tell ya!
@ladygator (3465)
• United States
10 Nov 08
Man, thats a tough one. I would try to teach him the reasons behind not doing that and build up his sense of pride and achievement in his OWN work. Has he explained at all why he feels that he needs to cheat to get ahead. At this age you never really can tell if there is a reason or they are just being little stinkers. Make him understand this is not okay now nor will it ever be okay. I usually make my kids write me a report on the why, what was wrong with it and how can it be better or writing sentences. I am not sure about the best discipline on it, but mostly he needs to really understand why its not okay and own his action.
@camomom (7535)
• United States
10 Nov 08
We're doing our best to do all that. We feel that cheating is stealing and lying, that's why we see that it needs a punishment. We did ground him but who knows if it will work. All he cares about is pleasing his mother (that doesn't even care about him) I think maybe he did it so she wouldn't be disapointed if he got it wrong but, that's just my thoughts and don't know if that's how he's thinking or not.
@lilybug (21107)
• United States
8 Nov 08
If it was the first time it would be different, but since he has done it before he knows that it was wrong then and it is still wrong. I guess the proper punishment would depend on what type of punishment he normally gets. Having privileges taken away might be a good way to punish him. I would also try to find out what was bothering him so much that he forgot the words. My son is in 3rd grade. He has never been caught cheating, but I know he has test anxiety that causes him to do poorly on tests. He does especially bad if he is already stressed about something.
@camomom (7535)
• United States
9 Nov 08
We have asked him what was bothering him and he couldn't give an answer. we did end up grounding him for the whole day yesterday but I don't think grounding really helps anymore. He doesn't seem to mind it. Thanks for the advice.
@kdhartford (1151)
• United States
8 Nov 08
Cheating is very similar to stealing. I would think that a punishment similar to lying or stealing is appropriate. We ounce had the same issue with my son and we hada very long discussion about honor,courage, and commitment. Then he was just grounded.
@camomom (7535)
• United States
9 Nov 08
Thank you, I agree. We just thought maybe that was too harsh. Sometimes we feel we are too hard on him. We already told him it's the same as lying but we didn't think about it being like stealing. We'll have to point that out to him too. Thank you.
@meelah (15)
• Philippines
8 Nov 08
I don't think you should punish him. Just talk to him; ask him if he really did cheat, if that was his intention. Then give him gentle reminders of why cheating is not a good thing to do and cite real-life consequences, like always being dependent on other people and not being able to survive on his own. Teach him to be self-reliant and to take risks - he may be right or wrong on the test, and that's fine, as long as he did his best to pass.
@camomom (7535)
• United States
8 Nov 08
His dad talked to him, It was his intention, he knew he was cheating and doing something wrong. His dad explained all that to him. He told him he'd rather him try and fail then to be right and cheat.He also explained that it's the same as lying and that he won't learn anything by copying off of other people. Remember though, this is the second time he's done this.
@chiyosan (30184)
• Philippines
8 Nov 08
i think you will just have to talk to your kid and make him understand that he does not have to cheat in order to get good grades or something,, make him understand he is intelligent, and smart and it feels good or rather better for him to pass if he knows it is his own answers. i think punishing him will only make him rebel and do more of what is not allowed.
@camomom (7535)
• United States
8 Nov 08
You may be right, I hadn't thought of it that way. Thanks.
@glords (2614)
• United States
10 Nov 08
I think a good old fashion punishment should work like "No T.V." "Early Bedtimes" "No Friends" "Extra Housework." All of these punishments worked on me when I was a kid. My son is only 16 months, so I have a ways before I have to start worrying about punishments, but I think I'll try to stick to the old school methods when we get there. Good luck.
@katrhina23 (1282)
• United States
8 Nov 08
I think the child just wanna make sure that he spelled the words correctly that's why he was looking at other child's paper. A teacher's reaction (I am a teacher so I know) when somebody is looking at other's paper, she'll get mad and will say automatically he/she is cheating. But for a 1 st grader, it is very seldom that they know it was cheating. Have you tried to talk to your stepson? He should have reasons why he did that. I suggest you talk to him first and ask him why he did that. The child may not know or may not understand what he did.
@camomom (7535)
• United States
8 Nov 08
I'm sorry I meant 2nd grader. duh! His dad talk to him and he said he forgot how to spell it. He also says he knew it was wrong. He does know what cheating is.
@mario123 (16)
• United States
8 Nov 08
its all the same we all have been there and done it. just need to keep reminding him its ok if he needs help snd tell him if he needs to tell his teather he does not under stand it and also other kids could be making it hard for him to focus on his work by maybe teaseing him take at your P.T.A. meetings and see if maybe he needs the exter help he maybe needs it and thats why he chests so he does not think that he can do it. also does not want tolet him self down and others so just take the time to make sure if thats what it is and he will i am sure get the hang of it and start doing his own work well i hope i helped some
@camomom (7535)
• United States
8 Nov 08
That makes sense. I know he knows the work though which is why it's so hard to understand why he's doing it. His dad told him that it's ok to get the wrong answers as long as he's trying. He also told him that we'd rather him try and fail then to cheat and be right. He also explained that he is not learning anything by cheating and cheating is the same as lying.
• United States
10 Nov 08
The logical reasons I can think of for cheating... given that your facts are acurate... is that he forgot under pressure... wanted to finish quickly... or thought it was cool. Corrective responses... any time he cheats in anything you should correct it... board games, video games, sports... it may seem cute... but if you allow it there.. then why is it wrong in school. Also, he may be afraid of getting a bad grade, to correct this I would talk with his teacher and if he is caught cheating... perhaps he should get an F... better to get them in the lower grades where he can make up for it than later when he can't. Is he cheating off of the same person? Is it a girl? Take these things in to perspective also.