Really? Another Bailout? When will it end?
By ZephyrSun
@ZephyrSun (7381)
United States
November 12, 2008 3:10pm CST
So now American Express wants $3.5 billion from the government. I'm really sick of bailing out all of these companies and I'm sure that a lot of you are as well.
Does anyone else feel that we should just allow these businesses fail? I mean that would be capitalism at its best. When will this freakin end? I am getting to the point of I don't really care what happens to the economy let them fail, possibly throw us into a depression, and then let us crawl out, with a lot less businesses that can't seem to make good choices.
Any thoughts on these stupid bailouts?
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16 responses
@lvaldean (1612)
• United States
13 Nov 08
Let them fail.
If the government insists upon continuing to bail out these companies than I believe we, the people, must insist upon oversight. Not government oversight either. The government have proven themselves unworthy, incapable of balancing a budget, untrustworthy with our money. There must be a non-partisan oversight organization established of people from business, finance, economics, and education who are able to audit and perform the necessary cleansing of these bloated organizations.
The boards must be taken over. The CEO's along with much of the upper management must come under scrutiny. The compensation must be adjusted to reflect reality and contribution.
The pay for the oversight organization must be enough that they won't be tempted by bribes but not so much that they are just another bloated group of do nothings.
Any organization asking for bail out must submit to the rules of engagement.
I would suggest that everyone read Ayn Rand, this is Atlas Shrugged and I want to escape.
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@lvaldean (1612)
• United States
13 Nov 08
Business, Finance, Program Management, IT
Want to do my Ph.D in Social Anthropology, Thesis - the affect of Technology on Society, specifically social structures and organizational behaviors within society
Not the right person though. Very pragmatic but I have a mean streak
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@ZephyrSun (7381)
• United States
13 Nov 08
You have a great education, maybe you can tutor Bush when he goes home lol
I think everyone involved in this mess should have someone with a mean streak to deal with them. Someone that will say, "oh you want 10 billion to have parties and vacations?, Hell NO" lol
@ZephyrSun (7381)
• United States
13 Nov 08
I say you are the person for the job! I seen in another discussion about your education, is it in business? Oh, it doesn't matter you seem perfect. Very logical and probably more informed than the politicans.
So are you up for the job? lol
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@xfahctor (14113)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
12 Nov 08
Considering Poulson isn't even sticking to the purpose of the first one, admitting openly it didn't do what he swore up and down to congress that it would, the answer is a resounding NO. Hell, I'm going to get in to this line myself with my hand out, I want a bail out. Cripe
What bugs me most is that this was never about rescueing or bailing out deep dwon, it was about a power grab by an entity that already had far to great an unconstitutional power over money to begin with, and the factthat Poulson is changing the game in the middle of the game pretty much tosses the idea that there is oversight and control in it right out the window.
There is a series of protests are planned on November 22nd, in something like 39 cities, to end the federal reserve entirely. Bill to do just that was introduced in congress but was passed right over.
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@ZephyrSun (7381)
• United States
12 Nov 08
Oh you had to remind me of my student loans. I forgot about them, I need more than what I thought.
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@ZephyrSun (7381)
• United States
12 Nov 08
I want my bailout too! That $1800 paid only half of my health care bills I NEED MORE LOL.
It's all such bullshyt! I'm going to have to look for those protest because if there is one close, I'm going!
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@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
12 Nov 08
I was against the first and second bailouts and I'm just as against this one. I'm pissed that all three of the candidates involved voted for it. Obviously Palin wasn't part of that which is why I said three.
Part of capitalism is that the strong survives. This isn't about regulation or deregulation, it's about companies that fail and how other companies rise to take their place. Too much government involvement led to this problem and more government involvement is NOT the answer. Especially when that involvement means wasting taxpayer dollars that are already insufficient to cover our governments expenses.
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@ZephyrSun (7381)
• United States
12 Nov 08
Oh my gawd something that we actually agree upon. It is such a waste of money to bail out businesses that can't seem to manage their money. If their CEO has taken them down the wrong path, if their strategic management has failed they should be FIRED not given millions of dollars. Sorry for the rant.
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@newtondak (3946)
• United States
12 Nov 08
In the case of financial companies, such as this and the mortgage companies, I feel they should just let them fail - they loaned money to and gave credit cards to people with little or no income and no possible way of paying - they deserve what they get.
Isn't American Express the one that is supposed to be for all the people with good credit and they pay the balance off every month? Could it be that all those people with wonderful credit weren't as trustworthy as everyone thought? Seems like that ever popular credit score isn't the reliable indication that everyone touted it to be.
@ZephyrSun (7381)
• United States
12 Nov 08
Well American Express has a card that is revolving. But, I can't believe that they would allow a bunch of people that are unworthy of their card be approved for any of their cards.
I'm so fed up with these bailouts, look at AIG they just threw another expensive party even though they are getting bailed out by us! It makes me sick.
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@newtondak (3946)
• United States
12 Nov 08
If they're going to receive taxpayer money, they should have to account for how it is spent. Part of the problem is that it was just given to them without any kind of conditions for how it had to be used.
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@gitfiddleplayer (10362)
• United States
12 Nov 08
There is no personal responsibility left anymore. I think a lot of people will get swept up in this money wave and ride it all the way to being debt free. They may escape with their shirts on this but those who don't require a frickin hand holding from the government will be able to hold their heads high. I'm one of them, I don't want anything from the government, I can do it myself and teach my children responsibility and honor at the same time.
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@ZephyrSun (7381)
• United States
12 Nov 08
I agree with you. But, don't you want your share? lol Pretty soon we will be bailing out the gas stations and carry outs because they too failed.
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@kerriannc (4279)
• Jamaica
12 Nov 08
You have to look at it on both sides. People applying for Credit Cards, using the money at their leisures and don't want to pay back. What should be done is a law to pass that if one does not paid up their loans then they will either work for free until they repay it or go to prison. Anyone doesn't like my response and want to vote me negative can go ahead. Taking a credit card and using it to do everything is a responsibility.
What do one expect that the money should not be repay. The C.E.O.'s who steal from the companies and living high rolling lives should also pay back what they have taken. Some of them give themselves high salaries for doing nothing. These things should be stop. There is a saying that goes, "the richer will be richer while the poor are poorer". Everything one does comes with penalty and we need to acknowledge that.
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@phoenix25 (1541)
• United States
12 Nov 08
Exactly, Zephyr. Yeah, I have money that I owe on my credit cards, but you know what? I pay at least the minimum payment each month. Thus, I feel that I'm fulfilling my obligation as required by the credit card contract that I agreed to when I accepted the card. The problem is that these credit card companies have become too greedy. They make their money on the fees that they charge, such as finance fees, late fees, and over-limit fees. They actually PROFIT on people not being able to pay their credit card bills. So, people not repaying their balance is not the problem.
@subha12 (18441)
• India
13 Nov 08
you may not agree with me. If these business fail, do you think they will fail alone. They will fail with damaging all other people associated with it. The bailout may sound stupid, but think of those who will lose jobs, they are simple people like you and me. so is it still very much stupid than pains of these peopel plus who lose their money when these business fail?
@ZephyrSun (7381)
• United States
13 Nov 08
You're right I don't agree with you but, I respect your opinion. I would only like to add that "mainstreet" is already losing a lot of money. Our 401k lost $1,000 the last weeks of September, and I've been too afraid to check to see what it did in October lol.
@xParanoiax (6987)
• United States
13 Nov 08
It'll end either with a bang, or with people shouting at the gates. That's the only way I see this ending.
I mean, before...when presented with the whole bail out idea we knew that if we did this or didn't...we'd be on the edge of potentially spurring a depression.
EITHER WAY, it could possibly equal the same or worse result!
So...I never supported the bail out. Because bailing out companies, banks...you're printing and borrowing that money. You're not actually getting it from the taxpayer. Which MEANS that you're slowly destroying what's left of the dollar and alienating the global market as you also kill your reputation and mount a debt we may never see the end of.
Also because it's not right to reward those who helped cause the problem.
To reward those who have ended up destroying people's lives.
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@xParanoiax (6987)
• United States
13 Nov 08
I know! The more I see news about them going off to some fancy resort, eating meals which cost a hundred dollars each and such...going on huge spa weekends when some people can barely afford to feed themselves or afford to keep their home (did you see that story on reuters about families flooding the homeless shelters?)...
Well, the more I think that this was the entire goal from the getgo.
Upsetting's almost an understatement. It's amazing that people up high think they can just pull stuff like this and get away with it. I mean I know everyone's still kinda shellshocked right now, but how long is it before people really start making some noise, do you think? *sighs*
@ZephyrSun (7381)
• United States
13 Nov 08
Bravo! This is such a scam. I mean if I can't pay my bills I lose my car, house, and utilities. I might be able to ask my family for money but the government doesn't help me.
These bailouts are really upsetting. Especially when you see the companies that are bailed out having huge expensive parties and vacations.

@anniepa (27955)
• United States
13 Nov 08
It probably won't end until there are no businesses left to bail out! Many of the banks that got money from the government used it to buy other banks, apparently in part because they're able to buy a failing business and use it as a tax write-off and therefore not have to pay any taxes. I heard that wasn't allowed until recently when the Department of Treasury changed the loophole so they can.
American Express was a bit of a surprise to me since it's always been more of a high end company not known for giving credit to just anyone but these other banks and credit card company deserve everything they get. I agree there are plenty of people who have gotten themselves deep into debt because they've been irresponsible and lived beyond their means but at the same time these CC companies have used super low interest rates and all kinds of other perks to lure people in only to zap them with outrageous fees and upping their rate to 30% if their payment is received after 8 AM on the due date. Then there are all these companies that have gotten money from US but still pay their CEO's eight figure salaries and bonuses for running the company into the ground. What am I missing?
Annie
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@ZephyrSun (7381)
• United States
13 Nov 08
Hmmmm...The only thing you're missing is the US government allowed for American Express to become a bank holding company on Monday (did you see that in the news? neither did I) and then turned around and asked for 3.5 billion. It's like they did this just to get their "peice of the pie".
At this point we are all feeling the pintch and the companies should just be allow to fail. Let these CEO's lose their 10 million dollar homes, their jets, their jobs. Don't reward them for bad behavior!
@sharra1 (6340)
• Australia
13 Nov 08
I understand you complaining about bailing out these companies and I am not sure if this is the right way to solve the problem or not BUT if the companies are allowed to fail then it would cause a crash that would bring down the entire world economy not just a couple of companies.
You are talking about global giants here not just little corner shops. The world economy is built on credit and while there are some safeguards, if you remove enough cards the entire house will crash and burn and that will hurt far more than the cost of bailing them out.

@sharra1 (6340)
• Australia
13 Nov 08
I know how you feel and I think it is sad that we have let these companies get to the point where they can hold a dagger over our heads, but if they went under your country would go into a severe depression.
On the other hand if we let them crash and let the world go into depression then maybe it would clear itself up afterward. I just do not know enough about economics.
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@ZephyrSun (7381)
• United States
13 Nov 08
Well I see your point but, then the rest of the world is going to have to step up to the plate and help out because so far each American has a new debt of at least $30,000 that's every man woman and child. So if the rest of the world doesn't want their economy to fall apart, put up or shut up lol
I mean does the rest of the world know that the broke Americans are keeping their economy from falling apart? I really don't mean to sound like a bytch but $30,000 is almost 1/2 of what my household income is.
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@sirnose (2436)
• United States
12 Nov 08
Yes,i feel the same way you do,these businesses should be allow to go belly up,but, we americans have become dependant upon the government to be everything even the wizard of finance...we are the age of instant gratification...so our government must bailout these bad business people becuase this is what we all have become "Government Dependants"... We all want Government handouts...it's sad but true we have become that a way...It's not just the poor people anymore it's everybody...

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@ZephyrSun (7381)
• United States
12 Nov 08
Ok do you know where the line is? I want my handout LOL I want a $40,000 vacation and have the government pay for it. Just kidding. I say let them fail and allow other businesses come in and have a go at it.
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@evanslf (484)
•
13 Nov 08
I don't see why we are bailing out American Express, why can't they just be allowed to go to the wall? I'm getting increasingly angry at how this whole bailout thing is being managed. Now I can understand the point that we might have to bail out a major bank as the knock on effects on the economy could be too severe to contemplate, but I don't see how this logic applies to a credit card company. We have to draw the line somewhere, we don't have an unlimited pot of gold for the fat cats to dip into.
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@ZephyrSun (7381)
• United States
13 Nov 08
Exactly! Every company is now jumpin on "the sky is falling" bandwagon. Bad things will happen if we don't bail out the credit card companies, the banks, the stockmarket investors, and the cotton candy makers. No we haven't started bailing out the cotton candy makers yet lol.
@PrincessKitten (790)
• United States
14 Nov 08
It's not going to end anytime soon as long as it's still profitable.
Bailouts are good business and make lots of money for the people creating the money. It devalues our currency, but that's okay, because before it's devalued, huge profits are made off of it.
Watch the movie Zeitgeist Addendum for a better explanation at www.zeitgeistmovie.com
Wealthy get wealthier, Middle and Lower classes lose ground.
Happy MyLotting!
@ZephyrSun (7381)
• United States
14 Nov 08
It all really stinks!
Thanks for the link, I had never heard of this movie. I will have to watch it this evening since it is over 2 hours.
@jilipino08 (40)
• United States
13 Nov 08
Although they are saying the nation's economy has improved for the first time in 5 months in September, they are predicting that this is short-lived. So the bailout plan isn't working the way they thought it would. So does it really make sense to keep bailing these companies out? Heck no. I've also heard rumors about the auto industry is requesting bailouts. I think some of these companies need to fail and experience some humiliation.
@ZephyrSun (7381)
• United States
13 Nov 08
I don't know how they are saying the economy improved last week 37,000 Americans lost their jobs. These bailouts aren't doing a dang thing and they need to stop. Enough is enough already.
@bayernfan (1430)
• Canada
13 Nov 08
I find it funny that some people still try to argue that the American system is still capitalist. With all the government interference and bailouts, the American system is more socialist than anything else.
When top U.S. officials start using words like "too big to fail" and when they are printing cash left and right to hand out to anyone in difficulty and their nextdoor neighbour, then that is the sound of Capitalism dying my friends.
Who will ever believe the U.S. or any U.S. official again after what has taken place? I hope Barack Obama doesn't plan on lecturing other nations about how they conduct their business when he moves into the White House in January.
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@ZephyrSun (7381)
• United States
13 Nov 08
You're very correct. The sad part is that there are so many Americans that do not want these bailouts to continue. The US has never had a pure capitalism. And, the majority of corporate America is full of coruption.
All US presidents have been too busy telling other nations how to "rule" their countries for a very long time. I cringe every time we invade a country to "spread democracy".
@lilwonders456 (8214)
• United States
13 Nov 08
American Express wanted itself reclassified as a bank or fiancial institution. Then it asked for 3.5 Billion. Yep with a B. Guess what. THey got it.
You are going to see a lot more of this. Companies are seeing the government giving out tons of "free" money. They are all trying to figure out a way to get their hands on some of it. Wether they need it or not.
You are going to see Billions wasted. MOney going to businesses the don't need it. MOney going to pay multi million dollar bonuses to the jerks that got us into this mess in the first place. Everyone is getting bailed out but the tax payers. We are going to get left with the bill for it all too. Watch and see. This is RObbery. Only you can't press charges because its our own government doing it to us.
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@ZephyrSun (7381)
• United States
13 Nov 08
I know it sucks so bad! I am so glad that my reps are smart enough to vote against these things. I will be voting for her until she leaves (she usually wins with at least 75% of the vote).
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