"Desire leads to Sorrows" - Do you agree with Buddha?

@navas4u (185)
India
November 24, 2008 4:46am CST
Buddha says that Desire leads to Sorrows.So, inorder to get rid of sorrows we must avoid desires.Do you agree with this idea? Personally I think that although this is a nice idea to read, it is agaist the development of humanity.Actually all the modern development human kind achieved was due to the burning desire with in him. So my question is: Should we stop our desires inorder to attain peace of mind? Or should we strive hard to make things happen?
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• Australia
24 Nov 08
Samsara is an interesting concept, but I suspect you need to have been raised in a culture in which it is part of the fabric for it to really mean anything. As a westerner, I tend to see lack of desire as leading to the sorrows of boredom and or apathy. I'm closing rapidly on old age, and have poor health, so most of my desires have slipped away naturally, and the few that are left leave me feeling, at times, that I might welcome surcease. Lash
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@navas4u (185)
• India
24 Nov 08
:) Good Thoughts Grandpa_lash! Although western world is tremendously supporting the fast way of life, a lot of people have an inclination to Eastern cultures nowadays.I think they love a releif from the target driven way of life.Such people always show intrest in such ideas like Buddha.
@SultanaH (80)
• Hungary
25 Nov 08
The idea make sense in a way, but it sounds too extreme. Stopping our desires is like stopping to live. Giving up on life and just exist instead of living. Even a Buddhist monk has desires. Saw a picture someone took of some Buddhist monks in a telephone shop. One of the monks was buying an iPhone. An Iphone! Why would a monk need an iPhone??! Anyway, the point is, even a Buddhist monk couldn't resist temptation of having worldly things, how do you suppose ordinary people like us can?
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• Hungary
25 Nov 08
Choudary, indeed the act of monk doesn't reflect the teaching of Buddism. Also, as you put it that way, it's okay he needs a phone for communicating. But why need so expensive gadget?? Why not get a cheap phone for that? A nokia 3310 or something. :) Anyway, I know that it isn't easy to understand these kind of things. That's what I wanted to point out. If a Buddhist monk who spends most of his time compared to any of us learning about Buddhism and yet shows that he cannot understand the idea of letting go of all desires or the idea on non-attachment. I assume he doesn't since he was buying an Iphone. :P So what chance is there for us ordinary people like you and I, to understand it and practice it?
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• Hyderabad, India
25 Nov 08
One monk cannot speak about Buddhism. Telephone and great inventions are invented because of quest for knowledge and not desire. Marconi had knowledge to achieve something not desire. As for as Buddha tatavam is concerned you need to have a higher degree and plane of knowledge to understand its true hidden meaning. Sayings of wise men cannot be understood by a common people like you and me, it can only be understood by people who achieved that degree of understanding.
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@navas4u (185)
• India
25 Nov 08
I think, Some inventions are the byproducts of quest for knowledge.But there are a lot of inventions which was the output of the real desire.Examples are aeroplane,bicycle,eletric bulb,internet,mobile phone,diffrent types of levers or tools etc.I agree that all the accidental discoveries like X-ray was in the way of aquiring knowledge.But there are a lot more inventions which was done only because somebody wanted to do it.
@sharra1 (6340)
• Australia
24 Nov 08
Yes desire can lead to sorrow but it can also lead to happiness. No desire and no emotions may lead to a peaceful life but it also leads to a life that learns nothing. I used to be a Buddhist years ago but I walked away because they kept telling me that only men could become enlightened. I was not interested in such nonsense when it was a culturally based belief not true. Personally I believe that personal growth comes through pain. You can teach people a whole range of ideas but some must be experienced and the greatest growth can come through pain but then that is why most people go through many rebirths on the wheel of samsara as they must experience all these things before they are ready for the path to enlightenment. At least according to the Buddhists. They are not completely wrong, but they are wrong that only men can do it. Even their own histories and religious texts show that women can and have become bodhisattva and achieved enlightenment. It was an example of a patriarchal cultural bias that was never purged from the teachings and should have been.
@sharra1 (6340)
• Australia
25 Nov 08
I quit Buddhism years ago. I learned about the female tradition only recently when I was reading a book written by a female Buddhist. It made no difference finding that now as I had always believed that it was a nonsense that enlightenment was gender based. What annoys me is that the men who control the religion still refuse to admit that women are equal. They are still patriarchal and still pathetically gender biased. No man can attain enlightenment with such a narrow minded attitude so in my view they are not following a true path.
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@navas4u (185)
• India
24 Nov 08
Happy to see a Buddhist here to discuss with. if you know that texts allow women to achieve nirvana, then why you quit?You can live the life that Buddha preached about, and can attain the goal.Is there a strong domination of priests in Buddhism too?
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@navas4u (185)
• India
25 Nov 08
It is everywhere sister! It is because this is a men dominated world.But I think religious teachings are against it. Thanks
• Hyderabad, India
25 Nov 08
Ha ha ha. Quest for knowledge is what driving people to invent new things. No one invented nuclear bomb with a desire. It was invented by quest for knowledge. Desire leads to sorrow. I commend that you tried to understand the meaning behind it. But it is the fact. Also Buddhism is a great religion which needs much higher knowledge to understand it.
@navas4u (185)
• India
25 Nov 08
choudhary, I was closely watching your words.I thought about it many times.They are great ideas indeed.And I have a doubt in my mind,Can quest for knowledge alone make such a great change in the development of humanity?I mean the physical development, not spiritual development.Industrial revolution and other changes in the world simply took place only because of quest for knowledge?I think Desire also plays a major role.And even spiritual revolutions, political revolutions which caused great changes in the history of humananity were not the mere byproduct of quest for knowledge.Slaves who fought for their freedom were led by their burning desire to live a new life.And even to aquire knowledge you must a desire inside you.And what is wrong with sorrows?Why we should get rid of it?Is it also a part of life? Thanks for giving me another angle for viewing..
24 Nov 08
Hi navas4u, It works both ways, if you desire something, you have to really work hard to achive it, in life you don't get things for nothing, you have to work for it. Tamara
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@navas4u (185)
• India
24 Nov 08
Yes, You have to work to get things you desires. I beleive that Desire is the fuel to achieve our goals. Thanks Tamara.
@moneymaya (901)
• India
24 Nov 08
you know one thing that Buddha was a king before become buddha so you can uderstand that in what level of mind did he give this statement, yeah as far as my view is concern regarding this view , I am agree with this statment of Buddha , not fully because I don't have such level of mind currently :-) ,and I can understand the problem and your thinking but if you really wanne to understand then insipite of describe it by my self I would suggest you to go to literature of OSHO, please don't take it as a miss , but Its my sugestion only and if you are interested then go ahead , thanks :-)
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@navas4u (185)
• India
24 Nov 08
Genuine approach towards the subject,moneymaya! I think, some people,when they are in the summit of wealth and fame, might start to think this way.Because they have found one end of life, and would love to see the other end.I would like to call it as the curiosity of a born winner!
• India
25 Nov 08
yeah, you can call , its depends :-)
@Mitraa (3184)
• India
26 Jan 09
I think this statement of Lord Buddha is specifically for the desires of sensuality. Because sensual desires are the root causes of sorrow. But in the broad sense, the term 'Desire' is not at all avoidable, since desire for human peace, progress and prosperity is always welcome by all great men of the past as well as present! So, 'Desire' in its broad applied sense is also the key of all human achievements and progress! Even I must say that seeking peace of mind is also a form of desire that every body must understand! Thanks for this nice discussion and have a nice and desirably good day!
@urbandekay (18278)
27 Nov 08
No, Buddha is clearly wrong. It is not desire but merely attaching to much value to them. Even his statement betrays him implying he desired to be free of sorrow! all the best urban