Job Bank? What kind of BS is this?

@ParaTed2k (22980)
Sheboygan, Wisconsin
November 24, 2008 6:03pm CST
When I first heard about the "Big 3" auto companies paying people who don't work anymore, I thought it was about paying out retirement benefits. It was hard for me to be critical since retirement is part of what people work their lives towards. I also couldn't feel too bad for the financial pinch retirment causes the Big 3 because it shouldn't have caused financial problems at all. If they hadn't of raided the retirement trust funds decades ago, it wouldn't me much of an issue now. But today I learned about a total scam perpetrated on the Big 3 by overbearing, unscrupulous union thugs. That would be the total scam against the taxpayers called the "Job Bank". Basically, if an auto worker gets layed off then they are given the option of either relocating to another company factory or joining on the "Job Bank". The Job Bank is basically a club house where employees get paid up to 90% of their full wages to NOT WORK. "We just go in and play crossword puzzles, watch videos that someone brings in or read the newspaper," he says. "Otherwise, I've just sat." http://www.detnews.com/2005/autosinsider/0510/17/A01-351179.htm How does this affect the taxpayers of Michigan? In any other case where workers take voluntary lay offs they aren't eligible for unemployment compensation. Former employees who do qualify for unemployment compensation have to take a cut or a total loss of benefits if they get paid during the week. These people get both full benefits AND most of their pay and benefits as if they were actually contributing something to the companies or society. This "benefit" costs the ailing Big 3 hundreds of millions. Anyone who wonders why the Big 3 are failing while other car manufacturers are thriving? Sure, you can give the blame due to arrogant and incompetent board members, but there is just as much arrogance in anyone who would accept a paycheck they didn't deserve.
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@relundad (2311)
• United States
25 Nov 08
My sister was part of the GM plant closing in Atlanta a few weeks ago. Basically if they did not transfer to another plant, GM did file their unemployment for them but basically she is just drawing unemployment insurance like the other millions that lost their jobs. The maximum amount for weekly claims is 335 dollars in the state of GA. Which equates to a third of her pay. There were a lot of employee's that could take the buyout or retirement, but the rest of them like my sister who had been their for less than 5 years didn't have those options. They do have some special schooling programs through the dept of labor specifically for them.
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@newtondak (3950)
• United States
25 Nov 08
I'm just curious about the pay ranges in their factories, but if she made approximately $1000 a week (I'm assuming you're talking take-home pay after taxes) which for a 40 hour week would equate to $25/hr. Is this about the normal range for their workers - is this factory line work, or other more skilled positions?
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@relundad (2311)
• United States
26 Nov 08
Yes she did make about that. It was assembly line type of work. But according to her they "weren't giving you anything, you earn every penny". She said that they make over a thousand cars per shift. She did say that in the last few years that GM only hired temp employee's that they would not have to pay benefits to and they paid them originally 18 per hour and then in the last year or so the one's that they hired were at 14 per hour.
@ParaTed2k (22980)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
26 Nov 08
"Weren't giving them anything?" They gave her a job!
@newtondak (3950)
• United States
25 Nov 08
This article is actually dated October, 2005. I am wondering what the current population is of the Job Bank.
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@jonesy123 (3950)
• United States
25 Nov 08
I was curious enough to look it up. Apparently the program still exists: http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/uaw-job-bank-not-gone-yet-but-its-almost-gone/ How crazy is that?
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@newtondak (3950)
• United States
25 Nov 08
Here is some more information - evidently they are talking about discontinuing the job bank as one of their cost-saving concessions to get the government to give them money: http://www.freep.com/article/20081122/BUSINESS01/811220332
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@jonesy123 (3950)
• United States
25 Nov 08
Thanks. It would definitely make sense to get rid of that although the UAW will probably fight tooth and nail to keep it going;)
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• United States
25 Nov 08
The More I see the more I wonder why I don't give in and join the union. The fact is my grandfather was on the AFL-CIO board locally and was a leader in the Ironworkers union. He could have and offered to get me into several good union jobs. The foolishness I see from them is why I refused the offer. of course they are great jobs with great perks and pay but I still have to look at myself in the mirror in the morning and I couldn't do that in most cases. The job bank is based on the idea that these layed off layabouts are in line for any job that opens up at the plant. It doesn't work if the plant closes completely because then they can't say they're waiting for an opening. Since most plants cut back rather than closing most layoffs result in this situation. Unemployment pays the layed off worker benefits and the company makes up the difference between unemployment and their regular salary. Under any other circumstances this extra pay would disqualify them for unemployment but not in this case. It also extends the time they can stay on unemployment because they are waiting for rehire to the previous job. it great work if you can get it. Auto Workers in the big 3 average around $71 and hour with pay and benefits. That's the UAW workers not the execs. The exec pay isn't counted in that average. As for arriving in Washington on private jets, it makes sense. These guys are the chief executives of multinational companies with plants and offices on several continents. Asking them to fly commercial and reduce their ability to respond, in person, to company problems anywhere the company is would be unreasonable. Expecting them to give up the jets that take them to the center of company crises is as intelligent as telling the president of the United states to sell Air Force ! and Marine 1 and take greyhound from now on. It is impractical and the result of Class envy/warfare. The Job bank has been around for a lot of years and won't be going away soon with a UAW president who says they will not be making any more concessions to help the companies. The Unions attitude has put their workers among some of the Highest wage earners in the country. The average wage in this county is less than $30/hour with pay and benefits. Until the Union is ready to scale back the perks or at the very least, stop demanding more for a few years(or decades) these companies will continue to be forced overseas or out of business. Only Government intervention can change that and that means all those $28/hr average workers will be supporting the $71/hour auto workers salary with their taxes. How fair is that?
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@ParaTed2k (22980)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
25 Nov 08
yeah, I've heard the mafia pays well too. ;~D The job fair is based on one thing and one thing only... getting something for nothing. It's theft, plain and simple. If these lay abouts were honest, they would be looking for honest work instead of accepting a paycheck for doing crossword puzzles and hanging out for years on end.
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@suspenseful (40314)
• Canada
25 Nov 08
This sounds better than CN. (Canadian National Railway) When an employee is unable to do much work, like he is too old or crippled, and he is not old enough to take retirement, he is offered early retirement or is laid off with a good retirement package, but if he does not want to retire, they find something for him to do like shuffling papers or inspecting things - non-jobs. If someone is laid off, he can bump a junior union member in another CN location in another province or area. But it has to be the same company, but what you have there is not right. I would say go to a different branch and get a job there, but not to have them lay around on your big behind and collect a paycheck. Could they not sweep floors or pick up scrap screws from the floor?
@ParaTed2k (22980)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
25 Nov 08
Yes,they could sweep floors and such, but since that kind of work is "beneath them" they cannot be told to do it. Apparently theft is not "beneath them" since that is what they are doing.
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@laglen (19779)
• United States
25 Nov 08
I do not wonder. I think it has a lot to do with unions and the high wage of execs. Not to mention all of the jet fuel! :)
@ParaTed2k (22980)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
25 Nov 08
What has any of this got to do with the OP?
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@jonesy123 (3950)
• United States
25 Nov 08
Wow, where do I sign up for that job? What happened when contracts were re-negotiated in 2007, did they drop this or is it still going on. This is indeed a major waste of money. I can't believe the UAW got away with it.
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@ParaTed2k (22980)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
25 Nov 08
Still going on, in fact the UAW defends it.
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