A Nation in Debt Going Deeper Into Debt to Encourage More Debt...

@ParaTed2k (22940)
Sheboygan, Wisconsin
November 26, 2008 11:00pm CST
One of the biggest financial burdons on any individual, family, company, organization or government is debt. When we go into debt we automatically give ourselves a cut in pay. When we go into debt, we chain ourselves to months or years of survitude that robs us of freedom for the term of the debt. Every dime our government uses is borrowed from someone. They talk of "bailouts" and "stimulus packages" as if they had the money to pass around... but they don't. The banks and other lending institutions are in trouble because people borrowed money that they couldn't afford to repay. Now the government is going to go deeper into debt to hand them money for what? To encourage us to go deeper into debt. Debt can never be a factor of growth, in fact it robs growth. Yes, there are times when debt is necessary and can even be profitable, but no matter what the benefits of it may be, the debt itself is a negative. Government deepening the national debt so that individuals can bind themselves further with the shackles of debt can and will never lead to prosperity.
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@xParanoiax (6987)
• United States
27 Nov 08
God, Mylot just ate my whole response. Here's more or less what I said though; Amen, ParaTed! Thank you for saying what some of us have been for most of this year. I think you mighta liked Thomas Jefferson had you been alive during his time, he didn't have very many nice things to say about banks and he too defined debt as a kind of slavery. This problem goes so deeply though, it's probably one of the biggest problems we have economically in that it doesn't just have the effect of being able to destroy people but it can destroy the whole nation too. And another thing: Why can't they just forgive a whole lot of debt? I mean what this economy needs right now more than anything, it seems, is a clean slate! And assuredly, it wouldn't bother those banks in huge ways what with them going to the spa all the time. I mean we ARE giving them money, why not do this while we're at it? Oh, I wouldn't mind if they put on limitations and conditions to this, a little debt forgiveness is better than none at all and would probably help more than this crap they've been pulling.
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• United States
2 Dec 08
I think those ideas make sense too. Maybe our reps need some bugging to make them move in this direction?
@spalladino (17891)
• United States
27 Nov 08
There has been talk of restructuring mortgages in order to keep folks from losing their homes which would include adjusting the debt downward for those whose homes have lost significant value. This is a big problem here in Florida where homes that were purchased with adjustable rate mortgages a few years ago for $350k are now worth $250 or less. These properties do the mortgage holders no good if the owners walk away as they won't get what they're owed for it either. I haven't read about any action taking place in this area yet but it's a good, common sense idea.
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@devylan (695)
• United States
2 Dec 08
Ah, forgiveness. What a wonderful idea. I have heard of this mortgage restructuring idea, too. I think it sounds goods.
• United States
27 Nov 08
Zeitgeist Addendum - The movie Zeitgeist Addendum may be found at www.zeitgeistmovie.com
Hey ParaTed2k,You make some good points, but there willalways be enough money for the bailouts, etc....when they need more, they'll just create more. It devalues our currency, but it's a band-aid for the problems. The movie Zeitgeist Addendum does an escellent job of explaining it all. It can be found at www.zeitgeistmovie.com The movie also offers an interesting vision of a possible future. Happy Thanksgiving and... Happy MyLotting!
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
27 Nov 08
Wrong, they never "create more" they only borrow more. The Democrat Controlled Congress has created more debt in their two years than the Republican Congress did in the 6 years before that. Which means two things... 1) The Democrats are more out of control and 2) Niether party cares a thing about our national security.
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@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
28 Nov 08
I can never understand why borrowing money except in rare cases to get into a house or a business, is a good idea and even for a house it is bad because you spend twenty or more years to pay for it all and it costs more then it would have been if you had the money to pay in the first place. Yet with that, people are charging things and paying only the minimum balance. So what was a temporary setback, where one could pay it off within a year, is dragged on and it is almost like a mortgage but without the benefits. I also cannot understand why our Canadian dollar is low compared with the American dollar that I heard is mostly based on paper. Does it mean our Canadian dollar is based on tissue paper?
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• India
27 Nov 08
The subject matter of the discussion is a matured content and every citizen of each country to ponder and decide how we have get rid of debt of an indivual, a family and a country as a whole. Borrowing is not a bad thing. But one must ensure, as to how the borrowed money is being utilised. If the money is used for productive purpose, then there will not be any problem. If otherwise, the problem cropup. This theem is applicable to industry and country too. unfortunately some people in the Government comfortably forget this for cheap popularity or for other things which know better. There deeds sooner or latter have direct impact on business, trade, industry and people of the country.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
27 Nov 08
That is only if the person, organization, or government can repay the debt. The US cannot and the government is stupidly encouraging the same irresponsible stupidity of the people.
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@devylan (695)
• United States
2 Dec 08
I fully agree with your sentiment, Ted. That's what I really don't understand. Our government has already been in debt (to whom exactly?), and now our banks are in debt, and in turn our people, so where is all of this money coming from? Just like the old folks used to say, "Money doesn't just grow on trees." Sometimes I wish we could go back to the barter system. I realize this would mean great sacrifices for everyone, but out of great sacrifices comes great growth.
@itsmine (104)
• United States
6 Feb 09
I partly agree with you. Say, you want to buy a home and you are having only 30% of money in hand at the same time you don't want to waste money by paying rental. Bank are ready to provide home loans. In this case, loan is important. You are paying EMI what you will pay as a rental. After 10 or 15 years you will have one asset with you. If you are paying the same amount for 10 years, will you have own house? Persons should think about personal loan only. All dept are not useless.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
7 Feb 09
True, debt in itself is neither good nor bad. There is nothing wrong with going into debt to buy a house, or even further your education. However, when you get into debt beyond your ability to make the monthy payments, that is never good, and that is what the government is doing... and encouraging us to do.