What would you do? How would you feel?

@Loverbear (4918)
United States
November 30, 2008 2:25pm CST
A few weeks ago I got an email from my daughter. It was full of hate and venom. She demanded to know why when I found out that I was pregnant with her why I didn't abort her or give her up for adoption. She nailed me with the fact that "I" had changed my opinion of them after her husbands accident and that I was through with them because of that. She also stated that she was tired of being the peace maker between her husband and me. As far as she is concerned she doesn't have a mother, and I have no grandparent rights. I have taken the family into my home three times. Each time it has cost me dearly financially. The first time was just after my Mom died, and I took not only my daughter, son in law, two grand daughters in but also his mother. That was for three weeks and it cost me close to a thousand dollars a week to keep them with me. Then in 2004 they came to stay again. This time it was for seven months and again I supported them nearly totally. This time it cost nearly twelve grand to take care of them. I had fines from my home owners association to pay because of various things that happened. Plus my daughter was driving my car and the engine blew so I had to buy another vehicle. This last time was for nine months. I got the call asking to visit for a few days and I of course said yes. When they arrived I was informed it was until they got their bills paid up. I flinched, but allowed them to stay. Their car blew up and my daughter asked if they could borrow my car for "TWO WEEKS" until her husband got their other car running. It was the longest two weeks. Seven months later he finally got their car running. When I got my car back there was 44,000, yes FORTY FOUR THOUSAND, miles on it. I had only owned the car for three months before I loaned it to them. I had put 1,500 miles on it before I handed over the keys. There was a large dent that went upward in floor behind the passenger's seat that wasn't there before. The catalytic converter had big holes in it. I bought the car for $6,000 and when I sold it I got $800 for it. I had to destroy my dog because my oldest granddaughter couldn't obey the rule that I stated when they got here, that they needed to ask permission to play with the dogs. Some how she upset him and she got bit. That was four days before Christmas and I had to take my dog in and have him killed. Needless to say that this last time they stayed with me it cost over $21,000 for their visit...between replacing the car, home owners association fines and other costs it really did amount to that much. Now, I am being ripped apart by this person that has decided that I am unfit as a mother. That she is going to deny me "grand parent" rights...and why, because I didn't congratulate her for getting into college. It didn't matter that I was sick, it didn't matter that I was working two jobs to catch up on costs that they left behind (like a 1,000 dollar electric bill because they would leave lights and televisions on), all that mattered was that I didn't congratulate her on getting into college. (Was I supposed to send an expensive gift or something??? I haven't been around much living in the country, so maybe I missed something) I would post the letter, but it is so nasty and hateful that I wouldn't want anyone else to read it. It hurts like crazy because I have tried to comply and help as much as I could. I have accepted them into my house freely, I have cleaned and done all the house work with them here (there was an agreement that they would be helping me out with the house work and the men would be helping with the outside work. It didn't happen!!!) I realize that this is a very long post and most people don't like to read long posts. I have written this to mostly get the pain out of my heart. I am disabled and in constant chronic pain. Any morning that I can get up without a migraine is a wonderful day. I found out that I have a serious heart murmur and that I have heart surgery in the near future (My daughter's opinion would be "Goody, we get the house if you die", I am fairly sure of that at this point in time.). And to get that horrible of an email is unbelievable. She uses the grand kids as a weapon, if you don't do what we want you never get to see the grand daughters again. If my daughter or son in law reads this, I want to thank you so much. You have taught me a valuable lesson. You are willing to tear me apart because of things you feel I have done. Yet you don't give a fig about me. You have never said thank you for my opening my home, you have never thanked me for the use of the car or offered to repair it for me. You have used me and abused me and yet you figure you can send these kinds of emails to me and let me know exactly where I stand in your life. You got notified that you needed to move out of my home by the home owners association and you immediately started to treat me like S--T!!! I had nothing to do with it, and have told you so many times that I haven't yet I still am s--t to you. Just remember, what you give is what you get. Thank you for giving me so much pain and suffering.
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13 responses
• United States
30 Nov 08
Hi loverbear, I'm not really sure what to say but i'm so sorry that you are going through this. Hopefully she will realize that she is not being a very good daughter at all. Not only does she owe you financially but she owes you a big apology. Will you even be able to forgive her? Sorry I wasn't much help. I did make it through reading the long post and just wanted to tell you my thoughts and prayers are with you.
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@Loverbear (4918)
• United States
30 Nov 08
Thank you so much, you really did help a LOT! I read that email again (I printed it out) and wondered if I had been so horrible. I did explain to her that I didn't have phone service for a few weeks because I couldn't afford to pay the phone bill (I was still paying off bills from the time they stayed with me). My car was repossessed in September because I was paying off the fines that the homeowners association assessed me for their wrongs. Fortunately I was able to apply for a student loan and grant money and I may be able to buy a car in a couple of weeks (I hope) so that my BF doesn't have to be my chauffeur. Thank you so much for including me in your prayers. It means so much this time of year. I am so frightened about the possability of open heart surgery, the murmur was discovered during a CT scan for my cancer scare (fortunately it was only scar tissue on my lung that had an infection in it). I knew I had a slight murmur but it has grown since the huge amount of stress from my daughter and clan was living with me. I hope that you will include her in your prayers. She claims to be a Christian, but with the kind of email she sent it is questionable. Please pray for the children too, I am so worried about how they will grow up in the environment they are currently in.... Again, thank you and you did help me a lot. I did forgive them, it's the way I am because I feel harboring ill feelings or hate doesn't do anyone any good. I chalk it up to her lack of feelings towards her fellow man.
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• United States
30 Nov 08
I will make sure to include your daughter and your grandchildren in my prayers as well. Don't worry :)
@carmelanirel (20942)
• United States
30 Nov 08
I think your daughter needs professional help to see clearly what she is doing.. I have 2 grandsons and if my daughter was to threaten me with not seeing them because I didn't do something, then so be it. Not that I wouldn't miss them and my son, who is in between the boys in age would be terribly hurt, it would be her right and nothing I can do about it..And I wouldn't "kiss up" so I can see them and I would pray about it..I am so sorry that your daughter is doing this, I know from raising three teens that they act hurtful and immature, but I never had an adult child do anything like this..The worse an adult child did was move away and never contacted me since. But we didn't separate on bad terms, he just doesn't like communicating, he was always like that..
@Loverbear (4918)
• United States
30 Nov 08
It really bothers me that she will use the grand daughters as a weapon. I would never dream of telling someone that if they didn't do what I wanted them to do that they wouldn't get to see their grand kids again. It is her best weapon in her arsenal! I totally agree that she needs professional help in more ways than one, the only problem is she doesn't see that she needs the help. She also needs to do a huge amount of growing up. (She loves Winnie the Pooh and quotes him in her college work....UHHHHH, does it impress you like it does me?) She still needs to figure out what she wants to be when she grows up, which is strange for a woman who is going to be 35 soon. I have decided from the responses to distance myself from the situation. I can't do anything to improve their lot in life, and I am not healthy enough to put up with the kind of communications she sends. She needs to do the soul searching and decide where she is going and if she really wants to go through life threatening people with the loss of visitation rights with their grand daughters and to be so venomous when they don't jump through the hoops she wants them too. I can't afford to kiss up to the family and spend the hundreds of dollars that they need to help them through life. I can only pray that they will come around and decide to grow up and make something of their lives. Thank you so very much for your response. When I started the discussion I wasn't sure if I was right or wrong in my feelings. Through the love and responses of the myLot family I have I have found that I am right in letting go of the situation before the hurt got worse. Thank you!!!
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@Loverbear (4918)
• United States
1 Dec 08
Fortunately I have a wonderful and supportive boy friend that is by my side constantly and takes excellent care of me. Also I have a sister of the heart (our friendship is beyond "best friends") that also takes care of me. I'm a handful as I still try to keep doing what I have always done. It's one thing when a 19 year old quotes Scooby-Doo (I love the cartoon too! I also watch quite a few others.) but when it is a 35 year old woman it is another story, especially when she is a college student and now going to a State University. But to each their own. She is studying to become a CPA, so it will be an interesting combination. Thank you again for your response and your prayers. I see the doctor on Wednesday...well let's put it this way, I have a few days off between seeing the medical experts. Then sometime in the next few weeks I need to make an appointment at Stanford University Hospital for an ultra sound of my heart. It's a love hate trip. I love the shopping but hate the hours it takes to get to the wonderful shopping . Please also pray for my daughter and especially the grand daughters. Thank you again. Toni
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• United States
30 Nov 08
Sounds like my daughter, 19 and quotes Scooby Doo...You also have that spot on your lung, you need to take care of yourself and I pray her threats don't interfere with your physical health..
@paidreader (5143)
• United States
30 Nov 08
I think I would be heartbroken to receive a letter like that from my daughter. Apparently she is going thru hard times but that is no reason to take it out on you. You have obviously helped them repeatedly but enough is enough. If that's the way she feels, let her stew in her own juices for a while and see who else would put up with her and her family, or pay their expenses for them. Sounds like you would be better off letting things cool off instead of responding with as much hate/anger as comes thru in HER letter. If you really feel the need to respond, just respond with something like this: I'm sorry you feel this way. You will be missed.
@Loverbear (4918)
• United States
30 Nov 08
They have always gone through hard times. I have prayed to win the lotto so that I could buy them a house with all the furnishings and horses for the girls and everything that a Mom would want for her family. I am not the kind to turn my back on someone in need, and it doesn't matter if it's family or not. It seems like every time I have helped them out I have gotten this kind of treatment. I am letting the situation cool off, and if and when she contacts me again, I will welcome her. I love her with all my heart and have given everything to make her happy. When she was five she wanted to live with her Dad, and even though it hurt like crazy I let her go. She heard so much garbage from her step mom about me, and since she wasn't allowed to be with me, she believed what was told to her by her step mom. I did respond to that email and the next one. I informed her that we both have things in our lives to deal with and that maybe it would be better to step back and reassess the situation. After the first email that was so horrible, I am not anxious to hear from her too soon. I know I will when they are in trouble and need help. But this time it will be different with the help I offer. Thank you for your response. This has been something that has been nagging at the back of my mind since I received the email, and with college classes, extra jobs and just every day life I haven't had a chance to post the problem. I am so glad that there has been so much love and support from the myLot community. Thank you!
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• Canada
30 Nov 08
I would just say in the letter actually. Just use "I'm sorry you feel this way. Love Mom" that's it. kill her with kindness and don't respond to any more of her letters until she learns some respect.
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@smiley83 (1534)
• Malaysia
1 Dec 08
hey, i'm really so sorry to hear that...and i did like your long letter indeed ^_* but i didn't get your daughter's attitude behind doing this? gosh, doesn't she or her husband have a heart? don't they care or try to care at all? i myself hate very much who treats my parents ans siblings or any other member of my big family with no respect... in fact, i broke up before because he doesn't support my decision behind helping my youngest brother with study! and luckily i broke up after less than a month relationship because i was forced into the relation... but, i'm really hoping that things will get better and she would sooner or later realize her mistake... i know it hurts like hell, but i'm sure she will regret... i'll pray for that... smiley,
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@Loverbear (4918)
• United States
1 Dec 08
Thank you so much. I am all that is left of my family, and to me the most important thing is family-especially when you don't have any. You are such a wonderful sister to help your brother with his studies, I admire you for being there for him. I wasn't even allowed to help my grand daughters with their school work. I think there was jealousy about the fact that they responded better to my teaching than to hers. I appreciate your prayers. Please pray for them too, they need guidance in their lives and love returned to their hearts. Without the love and guidance they won't get anywhere in their quest to be good people. Thank you! You are a very special person and I am kind of jealous in a way because I always wanted a little sister or brother and never got one. Love your family and hug them extra for me.
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@jayyerex (224)
• Canada
1 Dec 08
I was abused by my father when I was a child and I know others that have been abused as well. These type of people will come crawling back to you the next time they are in a bind. When they do, you remind them of everything that you have posted here. They are not deserving of what you have to give. You have done nothing wrong and everything right. It sounds like they live a miserable life. They are already getting what they deserve and they will get much more if they continue their selfish ways. It's sad that it has worked out this way for you. You must live your life for you. They can never take away the fact that you have done the right thing. You are in a tough spot, but you have the moral high ground. Don't be suckered by them again. You are a good person and unfortunately mean people will try and take advantage of you. I wish you all the best and hope you find happiness in all of this. Good luck, Jay
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• Philippines
1 Dec 08
I am not a mother and I cannot even pretend to understand how much you must have hurt because of what your daughter has done. If there is one thing that I agree with your post, it is that what we give is what we would get in return. I am sorry for your hurt. I believe that no parent deserved to be hurt by the child they have brought to this world. Nevertheless, I can offer you no consolation since your daughter had made up her one tracked mind that you are a horrible mother and that she is the perect daughter. I pray that she understands the implications of her actions before her daughters grow up believing that that is how you should treat your mother. I pray for you. That somehow amid all the hurt and abuse, you may find it in your heart to still wish her well and move on with your life - even if it means not having your daughter in it. God bless you!
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@Loverbear (4918)
• United States
1 Dec 08
I would never have dreamed of treating my Mom in that manner. I wish every day that she was by my side. The most valuable person in my life was my Mom. To have someone treat their mother the way my daughter did is inconceivable! Yet I experienced it. I have wished her well in my heart and let her go. She needs to decide to make her own way in life and that she has caused unbelievable hurt to someone she should be thrilled to have loving her. One day she will want back into my life and it will be extremely difficult for her to get past the door. As much as I love her and always will, I cannot allow her the opportunity to hurt me like that again. As I have said, yes I have forgiven her. I pray for her daily, but as the saying goes, "fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me!" Thank you for your prayers, I feel so much love and support coming from my myLot family, and I am smiling more each hour and holding my head up and looking towards tomorrow. Thank you so very very much!
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• India
1 Dec 08
Got your dog killed? What for!!! I mean its understood that when there’s a pet at home and kids around, with all precautions taken, the kid might get bitten and that’s why we vaccinate the dog and even after that, there are injections for the kids…why kill a poor dog? I think, and by now you think so too, that you’ve been too soft on your child. So soft that she’s taken you for granted. I also think that you lack a little tact…you are rather a straightforward person who cant deny people and later bear the brunt of it. As you say, you’ve learnt your lesson but as parents are, I don’t think you will be ever able to shut the door on their faces…but next time, keep something for yourself before you let them in.
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@ElicBxn (63252)
• United States
30 Nov 08
Tell her that she was already disowned and send her a bill Don't expect this ungrateful child to pay, but if she EVER asks to come again, stand your ground and say "No."
@ElicBxn (63252)
• United States
30 Nov 08
Like I said, I would send them a bill, just so they can know that they are persona non grata at your place too. Don't write by hand and don't put a return address on it. Don't expect them to pay, just give yourself the satisfaction that they know why you are unhappy with them. Finally, file that bill with your will in case she tries to break it. Now, if you want to include your grand children, put it in a trust that they can't get until 25 (or some age like that) and then only if they meet certain requirements - like finishing college, visiting you once they are of an age to decide or something.
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@Loverbear (4918)
• United States
30 Nov 08
I LOVE your response!!! You sound so much like me!!!! When the stress was so bad and I was sooo sick while they were still living under my roof I wrote my will. My daughter figured that she would inherit my home and would be able to sell it and get what she wanted with the proceeds. OOPS, wrong! I wrote my will and everything is to be sold and three quarters of the money is to go to charity and the other quarter is to go to my best friend who is executor of my will. I left my daughter one hundred dollars to be paid over a period of ten years, at the rate of $10 a year providing that they ALL work at a homeless shelter on a volunteer basis. With the rules they broke in my housing area, and the lack of assistance they exhibited, the home owners association has barred them from the area! Which is pretty bad when you think about it. They also deactivated my daughter's gate card so if they did happen to show up they would have to walk to my home. Besides the fact that I am so sick of them and their lack of respect for my home and me they are NOT welcome. For example at one point I got up one morning to find that the girls had their cabbage patch dolls heads jammed up against the space heater that they were using. I went through the house, picked up the first doll and her head was so hot I couldn't touch it. So was the second doll. I flung them across the room and then started to chew out the girls. That night I got chewed out by their father, that the oldest grand daughter told him that she only left them against the heater for a few seconds and that they weren't that hot and she was going right back in to remove them from the heater. I ended up apologizing for over reacting about the fact that the dolls were nearing combustion point and that I over reacted that they could have burned down my house. In short, it was informing me that I had NO rights in my own home. Sending them a bill doesn't do any good, they don't pay them anyhow! That's why they hide out at my home. Thank you so much for your wonderful response. Each response is making me feel better and better. It also has made my mind up about Christmas. I spend on average $250 per grand daughter and over a hundred for my daughter and son in law. This year I was just going to send gift cards to the grand daughters, but was worried that they would just toss the cards addressed to the girls out... since I am Persona non Grata, so are they. I'll put some money aside for gifts later for the girls, but nothing spectacular like I had been doing. Thanks again, you made my day and made me laugh with your honest response!
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@mindym (978)
• United States
1 Dec 08
I agree with you, ElicBxn. LoverBear, your daughter is clearly SELFISH AND UNGRATEFUL and when you say no, she will have to figure things out for herself, which she needs to do anyways. I know saying no will be difficult, especially with the grandkids, but be strong. When you are not supporting her, hopefully she will realize and be thankful at how much you have done for her and her family. She must have lost control of something and feels helpless, so now she feels that she needs to control whether or not you get to see he grandkids. This just inferiorates me because I would NEVER treat my parents like that, especially with all the help they have provided for me.
@ellie333 (21016)
30 Nov 08
Hi Lovebear, Your daughter must be carrying a lot of guilt to have so much anger inside of her as to abuse you so much in an email. Deep down she knows that her family have used you and feels guilty but still needs to blame someone for her own unhappiness and you are an easy target to aim it at. I hope she realises before it is too late to resolve this and apologises. She is still your daughter and no matter how much you are hurting you still love her and deep down although she says she wishes you aborted her only confirms to me that it is herself she loathes no one else. Thoughts are with you. Huggles. Ellie :D
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@Loverbear (4918)
• United States
30 Nov 08
I still love my daughter with all my heart. I have wished with all my being that I had the money to help them out and get them their own home and all the stuff that goes with it. Unfortunately I don't, and they still need to learn to survive on their own. Now that you mention it, I am in total agreement that it is herself that she loathes. She was such a beautiful teenager, she was a size 8 and now she has grown to a size 18-20. She is still trying to find herself, and while she is doing it she is busily lashing out at people that are there to try to help her out. I wanted a daughter and prayed for one the whole time I was pregnant. I was thrilled out of my mind when the doctor told me it was a little girl. She was the only child I was to have...I guess that's why such emails hurt so badly. I will always be open for her to contact, and as much as I love them, I doubt that I will open my home the way I have as the stress and the cost are too much for me. I will help in any other way I can though and no matter what, I do love my daughter. Thank you for the revelation about her loathing, and thank you for the warm thoughts and the huggles. It all helps a bunch! Toni
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@spalladino (17891)
• United States
1 Dec 08
I'm so sorry that your daughter is treating you so cruely...you don't deserve such abuse after all that you've done for her. She sounds ungrateful and spoiled. I have a friend who's daughter treats her the same way...again and again...and it tears me apart each time her heart gets broken again like yours. You do have rights as a grandparent to see your grandchildren if you choose to go that route. I agree with the poster who suggested that you inform your daughter that you have disowned her. Change your will and leave everything to someone deserving or to a charity. Whatever excuses your daughter comes up with for her recent tantrum, it's not your fault, and please stand strong when they show up at your door again...because they will try to use you again and again if you let them. Good luck to you.
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@Loverbear (4918)
• United States
1 Dec 08
Thank you so much for your response. I assure you that I did change my will. The money is divided between humane societies, homeless shelters and a couple of other charities. My best friend is executor of the will and she also is named in the will. It has been so wonderful having responses that have said the same thing, that it isn't my fault. I really was beating myself up about the email and wondering if I should have done more. I loved my Mom with all my heart and when she passed away I wanted to be with her...I had lost my best friend and my Mom all in one swoop, I prayed to change places with her. I ALWAYS treated her with the utmost respect and love... and dedicated the last 17 years of her life to making her as happy as possible. I hoped that I would be able to have the same kind of relationship with my daughter that I had with my Mom. Obviously it isn't meant to be. Next time you see your friend, please hug her for me. I know the pain she is going through, and hugs always help. Thank you again for your response and take care. Toni
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• United States
1 Dec 08
I'm so sorry to hear that you're going through this pain. It's something no mother should have to bear. You've put yourself out time and again for your daughter and her family - and I'm sure that if it came to them needing help, you'd find a way to do it again. I'd be devastated - my son once wrote me a letter like that and it was horrible. You deserve to be treated better, and I hope that you will be treated better in the future. In the meantime, take heart in one thing - your granddaughters are young, but they are old enough to remember you. They will seek you out because it sounds like you have been a stable and loving influence in their lives. I'll keep you in my prayers.
@Loverbear (4918)
• United States
1 Dec 08
I wish I were there beside you right now, I would be giving you a huge hug! You sound like you could use one too. I kind of feel like a dog that has been kicked once too often, rather than choose to get mean and bite, I back off into a safe comfortable dark corner away from possible assault from the person who has been doing the assaulting. That is the way I feel about my daughter right now. I don't care how much trouble I am having, I try my hardest not to take it out on people around me. I worked hard at making my home open to them and that they could consider it their home. I guess I really blew it, but I did learn from the time they were living with me. Thank you for keeping me in your prayers. I do hurt in a way that only a mother can hurt. But I learned from the experience and they too need to learn from their experience. It seems like every time that my "daughter" writes me one of her horrible letters she ends up needing me. Whether it is to come "visit for a few days" or use my car or borrow money, she is always needing. She is estranged from her dad and step mother (I don't fault her on that one, the pair are extremely strange) so I am the only family on her side. Her mother in law is tired of supporting them too, and that is part of the reason they wound up at my house. Now, it is the case that they need to learn that what they did is wrong, and you can't go back and undo the horrible hurt you caused. You can only hope for forgiveness from the one you hurt and the Lord above. I send you hugs and I too will be praying for you. Knowing the pain from my own daughter I can only imagine the pain you had from your son. Thank you for your post and your kindness.
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@MizzLadyB08 (1174)
• United States
1 Dec 08
Your needs to apologize to you. You have took her and her family in numerous times for free at that. All she is worried about is you congratulating her for going to college, now thats ungrateful. I could not see me treating my mom like this because I wouldn't want to live with myself. Like they say you reap what you sow and er day is going to come when she is going to need you again. You do not sound ungrateful to me, you paid for all the things they messed up when they was in your home and they can't even pay you back. They should never use your grand kids against you because the kids do not have anything to do with her being selfish. I am sorry that you are going through this I hope that your daughter will soon get her self together and be a woman and apologize to you.
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• Canada
30 Nov 08
I guess I am being spiteful right now but if anyone ever talked to my mother like that I would rip them a new one. The number one person you respect in your life is your parents. If i ever stayed with my parents (for an extended period of time) you can bet that my butt would be finding a part time job and giving my mother the means to help her in whatever way I could. In all honesty I would rip her a new one. Your daughter needs to take a good long hard look in the mirror and realize who the unfit mother is. She can't take care of her own family. She needs you to to do that for her as she can't do it herself. I think you've given her enough chances and I think she's bitter. So what she got in to college well now she could possibly look into paying you back all that money you helped to spend to get her on her feet. She sounds like an immature person who in my eyes shouldn't be married and shouldn't have kids. Strong suggestion to you is that if you notice those kids are being mal nourished i wouldn't hesitate to take those children into custody. You would have a very very strong case against her. She needs to learn responsibility and she needs to learn how life works. It's not about getting a free ride when your life turns upside down. it's about looking for ways to make ends meet. If she can't go out get a job and notice she's not getting enough income to supplement the life she wants to live then she needs to get a second job.. not you not anyone else but her and her husband. I'm sorry but what an ungrateful person. Karma does seem to find a way to make it's rounds so as much as it hurts right now perhaps it's better for your sanity to not have such a demeaning, destructive person in your life. I know it's not easy and I know it hurts. But she's a childish individual who will blame everything that ever happens in her life on anyone but herself. Such a disgrace. I hope that if your daughter is reading this she realize what a low life she is and how disrespectful she's being to you. I hope one day one of her kids show you the same kindness and such respect as she's giving you.
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