Daughter having school issues

United States
December 4, 2008 9:03am CST
This is very surprising for me because my daughter is extremely intelligent. She is usually also my best behaved child, but not lately. I got a note home from her teacher yesterday saying she'd been refusing to do her math work in school. This is apparently not a new issue, because the teacher had told me a few weeks ago that she seemed to have a confidence problem in math, and wouldn't do it on her own, she'd wait for the teacher's help. Both the teacher and I are positive that she knows what she's doing, but for some reason she's refusing to do it. She's also having some behavioral problems at home. She's started lying, which is not like her at all. She's also been rather violent with her brothers lately, throwing things at them etc. I just don't understand what's going on with her. This is not like her at all. She's usually a perfect child, getting perfect scores on her school work and being a perfect angel at home. I know Christmas is coming up and that does tend to make kids act up a bit, but her behavior has been like this for at least a month now. What's making her do this? Any ideas?
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• United States
4 Dec 08
I can't know what is making her act like this. However, there are some ideas to consider. One is the need for eyeglasses. Being unable to see the symbols might make her afraid of failing and getting things wrong because she didn't see clearly. She might feel sensitive and embarrassed about the issue. See, when you help her you are probably reading the symbols for her. Probably, possibly not, but probably. Another thing to wonder about might be dyslexia, which would case symbols to become flipped. This, however, might have more effect on reading than math. I'm not sure. I don't know her age, of course, but being bullied at school can lead to frustrations. Teasing, pushing, pinching, etc.. when a child is frustrated things requiring attention to detail like math can be extra frustrating. The last thing I hesitate to say, but think i will address, causes me some discomfort. I hope you will not take offense nor do I intend to suggest anything. However, .. there is 'good touch' and 'bad touch' and a child who is being asked to keep a secret about bad touches is essentially being asked to lie. It could result in frustration, lying, and other changes in behavior such as violence demonstrated against any male figure present.. such as her brothers. I don't have any reason to believe such would be the case for your daughter, of course, but it does seem to provide an explanation for some of her sudden changes in personality and behavior. Like I said, I hope that doesn't offend you. One of my friends works in Social Services and he sees this kind of stuff far more often that I'd like to really think about.
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• United States
4 Dec 08
Well, at least you are willing to think about it and consider it. Obviously, something has changed for the girl because her behavior has changed. The trick is finding out what has changed and how that's affecting her behavior. There are likely many other options that I'm not able to imagine at the moment. If there has been no change in the environment which explains the change, then you have to wonder about a change in the girl's biology. That is, if nothing outside is causing a difference in behavior, there must be something inside. Children can develop problems with the organics of their minds or some error with the hormone systems even without puberty. After all, you have described a noticeable and significant change in her personality and behavior without external cause, so we are left to wonder about internal causes. Perhaps it is, as they say, "just a phase."
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• United States
4 Dec 08
I appreciate your opinions, but doubt any are a possiblity. She gets perfect scores in reading, and LOVES to read, that's what she spends the majority of her time doing. If it were a vision or dyslexia problem, then her reading would be suffering as well as her math. Math is the only thing she's having trouble with. I also highly doubt it has anything to do with any form of abuse, because her situation has not changed at all. There are no new people in her life. I'm a stay at home mom so she doesn't go to a sitter. The only person I've ever left the kids with have been their grandparents, and even that's rare. Plus there are more signs of abuse that she is not showing. I know because I was abused this way as a child. She isn't acting out THAT much.
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@redkathy (3374)
• United States
4 Dec 08
Are you sure she doesn't have a "new friend". Kids are just so impressionable. That was one thing I dealt with often. Kids feel the stress of the holidays more that we know. I would talk with her in a matter of fact way first, without asking what's up. Maybe through a conversation you can get an idea of what's going on in her little head. Then address the issues or reaffirm the rules, whichever needs to be said.
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• United States
4 Dec 08
She did mention she was goofing off with a boy in her class. I suppose it's possible she is picking up on some bad habits from this boy. Guess we'll just have to break these little habits of hers.
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• Canada
4 Dec 08
Just wondering how old your daughter is? My daughter started this type of behaviour and then one day about 6 or 8 months later, she got her period. She was just 10 when she got hers....so it could simply just be the hormones starting to put that all in place.... girls are soooo tough. Prayers are with you hunny.
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• United States
4 Dec 08
EEEEEK NO!!!! My daughter just turned 6. Thankfully I have a few years before the hormones really take control.
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@Barb42 (4214)
• United States
4 Dec 08
There are lots of things that come to mind. When did this start, before or after the birthday party? (Oh, sorry, I see you said a month or so ago) Is she being teased at school about something? Have you sat down with her and asked her if something is bothering her? She seems to be a little young to be undergoing changes to make her change in her actions/attitude. I know it goes with becoming a teenager or even before sometimes.
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• United States
4 Dec 08
It started before the birthday party, and appears to be getting worse. I doubt it has anything to do with the party. I don't think she's getting picked on, I think she would have mentioned that. I tried to ask her what was going on and she said flat out she just doesn't want to do her math work. I know it's not difficult on her, so I'm clueless as to what's up.
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• United States
4 Dec 08
Kat Have you asked her if she is having issues with any friends or if shes being picked on? Sometimes children stop doing well at things if they are getting picked at- I would ask. (I'm sure you already have) but as a mom too I know how upsetting it can be when an otherwise well behaved child changes attitude overnight. I would start with that and then move forward- my son started disliking Math when the teacher ( and I think this was an accident on her part but....) said in class that everyone should try to be more like Sam (my oldest son) it made him feel less like a child and his friends ribbed him about it a bit. Good luck and please keep me posted.
• United States
4 Dec 08
She's been having this particular problem all school year, so I'm really not sure. She doesn't have any other problems in school. And her at home behavior is recent, otherwise I just wasn't picking up on it, which happens now and then with so many kids, lol. She has told me she likes fooling around with a particular friend in class. She doesn't seem to have a lot of female friends, her best friend is a boy. I'm not sure what that's about, it could be she's more comfortable with boys since she is the only girl with 4 brothers. She's usually open about what goes on in school so I'm sure I'd know if she was being picked on for any reason.
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• United Arab Emirates
4 Dec 08
Maybe she thinks you aren't spending enough time with her, and she is trying to get your attention by misbehaving. If that is the case, try to show her that you care about her, and there is no need to misbehave to get your attention.
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• United States
4 Dec 08
That is usually my first assumption anytime a child has a behavior problem, but that is not the case this time. I'm a stay at home mom and my attention per child never varies.
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• Canada
5 Dec 08
Well since you ruled out the attention thing my next question would be is daddy giving enough attention? next would be has anything major changed in her life recently? and lastly I would as her if anything at school is bugging her? Is there kids making fun of her for something? Kids will use anything. My son is a mother hen all the time even at school and because of this other kids started picking on him to the point that he did not want to go to school. He came home one day and said he was hungry all day and when I asked him why I was shocked to hear that 3 of his classmates had thrown his lunch on the ground and stomped on it. Then he proceeded to tell me about all the other things these kids were doing to him. I went into the school and talked them and these boys lost their outdoor privilages for a couple of months because they were in fact bullying my son. It had beed happening for about a month before my son finally talked to me about it and that may very well be what your daughter is experiencing. How old is your daughter? if it is nothing of the obove could she be getting her period soon? My sisters behaviour chaged dramatically about a year before she got her period so that could be something to look into since girls can get it as young as age 8. Well anyhoo Good luck with this hope you figure it out.
• United States
5 Dec 08
She's only 6, so no it's not hormones. Nothing in her life has changed what so ever over the past months. Daddy's never home, but he never has been at all during their lives, they're used to that. He's always worked a whole ton of hours and doesn't get home till after they're in bed. It might be teasing, not sure of that. I've spoken to the teacher to find out.
@cryw0lf (1302)
• United Kingdom
5 Dec 08
Maybe shes depressed. People react differently when unhappy.- I know i did. Maybe shes genuinely struggling with her Maths work / maybe her brothers are annoying her, but at the end of the day, you should talk to her and make sure shes okay...
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• United States
5 Dec 08
There might be a bully. I remember when my sister was little, she started being bad and really mean at home. A lady who lived down the street who had a son my sisters age and they were best friends. He told his mom some kids were picking on him at school at recess. Well his mom went to the school during recess and parked her car and watched the play ground. She saw my sister, her son and another little boy basically fighting off a bunch of other boys. (this was 1st grade) The teachers were in la-la land. Of course the mom jumped out, stopped it and alerted the teachers.
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@rocketj1 (6955)
• United States
4 Dec 08
How are the social aspects of her class? I ask this because my daughter is struggling emotionally this year too. It turns out that there is a very pushy girl (let's just call her a bully) in her class. She is not violent but just really influencial with the other girls. She likes to split friendships and generally cause all sorts of problems with ALL the other girls. We have been working with the teacher about this and it is improving. But for the longest time, my daughter just had difficulty in expressing why she hated school so much this year. Her frustration level at home was really bad too. I'm wondering if stuff like that could be happening for your daughter too.
• United States
4 Dec 08
She did mention there are some kids who are picking on her. I don't think she's had a problem with that before, and I honestly don't know what to do about it. My oldest son was picked on a bit a few years ago, but he always let it slide until the day he got in a fight. Until then I never heard a single word about it, and it's weird because my kids love talking about what happens at school.
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@rocketj1 (6955)
• United States
5 Dec 08
We actually scheduled a few meetings with the teacher. I guess many of the girls in the class were experiencing the same thing. They were all stressed at home too and their parents were calling in. She said something that really stuck with me. She said that with girls, the bullying this is harder to trace and prove because the scars are internal and not external like with boys. Boys punch each other and then there is evidence. With girls it's often just a manipulative and mean child who uses her words. She actually said that it's more damaging because there really is no way for a girl to fight back. The teacher actually called a meeting with all the girls to discuss how they should stick together when they see someone being ostracized. It seems like she is doing better. Keep talking with the teacher. If not, go to the principal. Tell your daughter that you want to help her and that the teacher and principal are so smart that they can help her figure this out. With my daughter, it just helped for her to talk about it with adults. There is security in knowing that adults are looking out for you. She may be worried that she has to figure this out on her own. That's a lot of stress for a child! I pray that it goes better for your little girl really soon! Hang in there, mom! You are doing GREAT!
@rocketj1 (6955)
• United States
4 Dec 08
I know that girls are very influenced by the relationships around them. Even if they are not involved personally, they are still upset by things that happen to other kids. She could be witnessing someone being unfair or mean to others. My daughter told the teacher about a little boy who has been picked on by EVERYONE on the playground. It had really upset her. It had been going on for a LONG time. The teacher was completely unaware since she does not go outside with the kids. The social aspect is HUGE with girls.
@rocketj1 (6955)
• United States
31 Dec 08
Thanks for the best response! Happy New Year!!!
@camomom (7535)
• United States
5 Dec 08
It sounds like she is unhappy about something. Teasing issues at school maybe. Learning problems. Just hormones, could be the cause of it. I would try to talk to her without being angry. Don't question her at first just start a conversation asking about her day. Then move on to "do you want to talk about anything that's going on". Then if it comes down to it, ask directly what's going on and why is she acting like this. Hope something helps.
@Nhey16 (2518)
• Philippines
4 Dec 08
That happened to my son when he was in his 1st grade, he was always on the top 10 of the class when he was in his pre-school, and during the 1st grading period in his 1st grade, he's also in the top, but his teacher got pregnant and had to have a leave of absence for about 3 months, they had a substitute teacher, from then, his behavior had changed. He did not want to do his assignments and seat works. I was so upset at that time. I knew his teacher is nice, but I think she's very lax with her students. But I had also considered that that time my hubby and I are having marital problems. Maybe my son was affected and he also had teachers who are so strict to the point that my son feels he loses his self esteem. I just thought it was something and not so big deal, so in his 2nd grade, he stayed in that school, but it got worst, though we manage to solve our marital problems, being in that school, my son still doesnt want to do his best. Then we realize, there's something in the school that my son did not want. He did not like some of his classmates, and his learning style did not match with the school's type of teaching... So in his 3rd grade we enrolled him in a different school, and now, he's enjoying his stay there and he now does his best, he's one of the top in the class again... I just shared this, coz I thought your situation with your daughter has something in common with my son's experience.
• India
5 Dec 08
Hi there..your daughter is aged six and is kinda acting out of the ordinary.Hmm...i dont know much abt child psychology(far from it) all i feel is that she mite have been teased by some kids or she mite have some problem with her friends.Hence the sudden disinterest in studies and violent moodswing.Ask her abt her issues with her friends,some kid mite have teased her and she mite have got a lil bit edgy.I dont know who u r ,but appreciations to share ur concern :).
@barehugs (8973)
• Canada
5 Dec 08
You do not tell your daughter's age. is she an honor student? Is she a year ahead of her friends in school. On what do you base your facts that she is extremely intelligent? Is she going through puberty? Please add the info that will allow for an informed answer.
@shyama86 (73)
5 Dec 08
Dont know yr daughter's age. Is she in her teens. Any how be patient and try to know the reason of the sudden change in her behaviour. She might require some help in her studies . Make sure she is healthy and having her food on time. Talk to her and ask her about her friends, lessons and whether she need any help from you. Ask her abt her plans during X'mas and all. A mother will be able to understand a daughter better than her father. So be caring and loving and try to find out yr little angel's problem. Dont be angry with her. Be agood friend to her and help her come out of her problems.
• Philippines
5 Dec 08
There could be hundreds of reason why your daughter may be acting up. But I guess the best thing to do is either talk to her and fish it out of her or let a professional do it. There may be some problems your child is dealing with that has affected her usually pleasant demeanor. I suggest you do it soon. Oent up emotions can really confuse a child. Good luck!
• India
5 Dec 08
I also experienced almost similar type of problem. Fearing math or any subject for that matter may crop up if the student fails to like her teacher. Failing to get the attention of the teacher inspite of being a good student may frustrate her and may lead her to behaving oddly. In that case ther is nothing to do except to sait for the year to pass. She may also develop fear for math.... in that case u may try giving her math problems which are easier for her standard.Let me know whether it helps you.