Who can be saved

@savak03 (6691)
United States
December 12, 2008 12:05pm CST
Luke 18:25 reads "It is easier, in fact, for a camel to get through the eye of a sewing needle than for a rich man to get into the kingdom of God." What do you think Jesus meant by this statement? Was he saying that if you are rich you cannot be saved?
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@brian_s (570)
• United States
19 Dec 08
It is clear that he was talking about people like the rich young ruler (vs 18). That is the natural flow of the text. The ruler said that he followed all the laws, which is clearly impossible. Jesus went to expose his selfishness and lack of love for God by attacking him where he was ("give your money away, and follow me"). He wouldn't do that because he relied on his money rather than God. But the more important verse is the one that follows... Verse 27, where Jesus says that what is impossible with man is possible with God. Since salvation is of God and not man, man can be saved, no matter what it is harder than. It also shows Christs humor. Just imagine a camel being threaded in a needle like thread. That is funny. It was the subject of a hilarious SNL, where a rich man tried to liquify a camle, make a needle bigger, and after deciding that wasn;t what the verse meant, he went about trying to shrink camels. The important thing here is that man wants to get heaven on his own terms. That is impossible. But God softening a man's heart/drawing him to himself makes it possible for man to be saved through Christ.
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@savak03 (6691)
• United States
20 Dec 08
The rich young ruler was very self righteous. It didn't take Jesus long to put him in his place. I especially appreciate your bringing out that all things are possible with God. Psalms 49:7 says that not one of them (people who are rich)can by any means redeem even a brother, nor give to God a ransom for him. God is the only one who can redeem us. Another good point is that Jesus had a sense of humor. I think that many people would think it scandalous to attribute to Jesus anything like that but it just proves that he can understand us better and knows what we need to help us.
@brian_s (570)
• United States
20 Dec 08
Yes, I'm always amused when I hear passages like "camel through the eye of a needle" read in a stuffy, boring way. Surely it was the intent that people would picture how ridiculous that image is, but so many people just skip by these passages quickly, as if Jesus was just talking about the weather.
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@ronaldinu (12439)
• Malta
30 Dec 08
No I don't agree with your last sentence. Jesus meant that those who are attached to the material things will find it more difficult to be saved and enter heaven. You can be a rich guy but you can use your material wealth to help others. You can be poor and still be attached to your few possessions. Thus those who are rich might find it more difficult to part from their wealth and thus it is harder for them to be saved.
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@savak03 (6691)
• United States
30 Dec 08
Actually, you got the point I was trying to express exactly. The question I asked at the end was just a way to get people to think about it. I did not mean to imply that I thought rich people could not enter into the kingdom of God. I have in fact seen quite a number of poor people who were only focused on their material prospects.
• Philippines
18 Dec 08
Jesus is just saying a fact of life and something about human nature. When money or wealth is involved people hang on to it so much. They enjoy their lives that they don't think of their sins or a need for a savior. Another aspect is that people will not follow just or renounce their sins since it meant they would have to quit an immoral business style or way of living that brings them money, comfort and security. Don't get me wrong, Jesus is not against rich people. Jesus is against the love of money that people do.You can be rich and make God #1 in your life and use your money for the Lord and help people but at the same time enjoy your financial blessings as well. You can be rich and have Jesus as #1 in your life and not idolize your money. But you can also be poor and have no care for God but salivate for money all the days of your life. The Bible does not say that "money" is not the root of all evil but the "love of money" is.
@savak03 (6691)
• United States
18 Dec 08
Very good. Most people don't make the distinction between having money and loving money. And you are right that poor people can sometimes be more materialistic than rich people. I have known some who had money and used it correctly. And I have also known poor people who's only thought was about money and things all the time.
• United States
13 Dec 08
I think that Jesus meant that money changes people. I think that typically the Bible says something like "those who are poor are blessed". I don't think that it means that all people with money are going to hell or anything.
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@savak03 (6691)
• United States
14 Dec 08
Indeed, money does change people. I've seen it happen. You are right, however, not everyone who has money is doomed. The Bible does say at Mathew 6:33 "Keep on then seeking first the Kingdom and his righteousness, and all these other things will be added to you."
@zandi458 (27947)
• Malaysia
12 Dec 08
We cannot deny the fact that accumulation of wealth does bring some degree of happiness and security. But we should not make the accumulation of wealth the sole purpose of our lives, as is happening now, and forget that there are many more things to make life meaningful than just the acquisition of wealth. The rich should practice generosity and share his bounty with the poor if he thinks of his soul. Afterall his property will remain when he die. His friends and relatives will follow him up to his grave but only his good and bad actions which he has done during his life time will accompany him beyond the grave. God will then judge whether he has done good while on earth and if he has helped the poor he will have place in heaven otherwise he is destined to the fire of hell. Being earthly rich and selfish is a one way ticket to hell, and that is a warning from this passage.
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@Arkie69 (2156)
• United States
12 Dec 08
It is much harder for a rich man to humble himself to a point where they can inter into the Kingdom of God. Jesus just said it was harder not that it couldn't be done.
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@savak03 (6691)
• United States
14 Dec 08
You are right. Jesus never said for a fact that a certain person or group of people could not be saved. He extends the hand of forgiveness to all and it is up to us to accept it or not. If Jesus accepts us all why do we persecute each other?
@srbollar (259)
• United States
27 Jan 09
ANYONE CAN BE SAVED. =] I think Jesus wants the rich to share, and that's what He means. He means that if you really loved Him, you would drop your riches and follow him (like He asked that one rich guy who went away being sad). Everyone (even the poorest of us) needs to realize that God is worth more than all the money in the world, and that's hardest for those who have lots of the money, because all of our society is greedy.
@savak03 (6691)
• United States
27 Jan 09
Exactly, we have to put God first in our lives or we will lose it all. No one can buy themselves a spot in paradise no matter how rich they are.
@srbollar (259)
• United States
27 Jan 09
That reminds me of a Tenth Avenue North song. "Why are you still striving, these days? Why are you trying to earn Grace?" Because I totally agree. You can't earn grace.