Should The American First Lady Draw A Paycheck?

@irisheyes (4370)
United States
January 11, 2009 1:02pm CST
Regardless of what I think of their husbands, I'm in awe of almost all of our recent First Ladies. They have been accomplished women who have had to put their lives and careers on hold for the duration of their husband's presidencies. Hillary Clinton had to cancel her own high powered career as will Michelle Obama. Laura Bush had successfully raised her children and would probably have resumed teaching had she been free to do so. But First Ladies have to understand conflict of interest even if their husbands sometimes do not. Our First Lady is expected to be the executive Housekeeper and hostess in residence for America's house. She will be a goodwill ambassadress at home and abroad, often standing in for the president. She will be expected to do several celebrity model stints for magazines such as Town & Country and Vogue. These days, she is even expected to have a Miss Amercica style pet cause. If she succeeds exceptionaly well, she may even have a profound effect on American thinking. (Betty Ford forever changed the way we think of addiction.) It's a 24/7 job for 4-8 years with no training and no pay. Now, I know this is not a good time to suggest any additional federal salaries. But how about we cut $50,000 - $60,000 off the presidential pay check and give it to the First Lady? His needs (except for food and clothing) will all be met while he is in office and he'll probably be too busy to miss the money anyway. What do you think? Isn't time we ackowledge the contributions of our First Ladies?
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@Latrivia (2878)
• United States
12 Jan 09
First ladies don't need paychecks. They get PLENTY of income through their spouses. Once you or your spouse has been a president of the United States, you will never have to work another day in your life, again. Presidents get paid $400,000 a year (plus an additional $160,000 for travel, entertainment, and other expenses). After retirement presidents receive almost $200,000 a year for the rest of their life. That's plenty of money to split between the spouses. Why shell out more tax money to people who already get paid enough as it is?
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@irisheyes (4370)
• United States
12 Jan 09
I believe people should be offered compensation for the work they do. I'm not expecting the first lady to be compensated for being a wife and mother. I'm thinking she should be compensated for her role in running the White House and functioning as an ambassadress and things of that nature. She is not a Victorian housewife expecting pin money from her husband and no matter how much money is invoved that is the attitude here. Volunteerism is always done at the discretion of the volunteer. It is the free choice of a person to donate their time and expertise to what they consider a worthwhile cause. If you determine the cause and expect someone else to do the work, it is not volunteerism. Only a first lady can decide what task she is willing to volunteer to perform.
@irisheyes (4370)
• United States
12 Jan 09
If you read my thread, you know I suggested cutting her a check off the president's salary so there would be no additional charge to the taxpayer. I might have been a little tongue in cheek there but I am also aware that these are difficult times. Also, a salary is compensation for work done. It has nothing to do with how much or how little money the person already has or how much their spouse makes or what their financial future looks like. If a billionaire does a job, he or she is entitled to be paid the going rate for that job just like everybody else. He or she should not be expected to work for less or no money just because they are already rich.
@Latrivia (2878)
• United States
12 Jan 09
Why bother cutting the check - the money is part hers anyway? The first lady isn't really required to do anything, she chooses to do it. That's called volunteering, and that's not something you get paid for.
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@bbydollz (114)
• United States
12 Jan 09
I honestly do not agree with this at all. For 200 years we have had first ladies who have not been paid. I mean really what is the point they do not have to pay for anything and their husband get alot of money as it is. Mrs. Obama has been known to say she disliked the United States until her husband became a politician. Now that they are in the White House she needs money. How wacked out is that? Seriously this is not right and I do not think she deserves to be paid, I say if she gets paid then all the first ladies in from the past presidents should also get paid all the way back for 200 years. Honestly I say why start now? It is not something we have ever done and why change it now? It is just simply greedy and should not happen! So that is my opinion on it.
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@irisheyes (4370)
• United States
12 Jan 09
Who said Michelle Obama needs money? I certainly never said that and I'm pretty certain she didn't. The ideas expressed on any thread that I start are my thought, I do not presume to speak for Michelle Obama. There has been a lot of change in the last two hundred years. Slavery was abolished, woman and blacks were franchised, universities now admit minorities and offer scholarships. And the job of First Lady has expanded into realms that are traditionally compensated. We would be in very sorry shape if we stayed static for 200 years. Also, jobs are not compensated according to how much a person needs the money. They are compensated for the work done. Nelson Rockefeller and John Kennedy donated their presidential and vice presidential salaries to charity. Nevertheless, they earned that money and had a right to it. It was not predicatd on whether or not they needed the money. It was predicated on the work they did.
@irisheyes (4370)
• United States
13 Jan 09
I'm not upset at all. Since the issue here has nothing to do with governing the country or setting policy, it is not covered in the constitution. A lot of high paying Washington jobs are not mentioned in that document - eg Director of Protocal, Social Secretary etc. So we can leave the constitution out of it. I never said the first lady needs money. As far as I know she does not and she certainly has not confided in me if she does. I'm merely proposing that maybe it's time to let the First Lady draw a pay check. A lot has changed in the last two hundred years. Early First Ladies were totally dependent on their husbands. They did not have careers and they had nothing to put on the back burner until their husband's term was up. Furthermore, the role of First Lady has greatly expanded and I think it's high time we recognized that.
@bbydollz (114)
• United States
12 Jan 09
Honestly if she did not want to be the first lady then her husband should have never run. They both knew ahead of time what was expected of each of them. So why cut a check to pay her when all their money is together and saved they don't pay rent. When I said all of a sudden she needs money. Is because out of the blue she thinks she deserves to be paid and well that is not right. Every one is just going to go round and round on this issue because it is highly political. I just do not understand why she should be paid for all the duties she does when no other first lady has. This whole presidential election is changing the country in ways that they shouldn't be. No where in the constitution does it say we should pay her anything and if she does get a paycheck it won't come out of the president's salary it will be more money that is paid out from the taxpayers. I have my opinion and so do you along with everyone else. That is the whole point of this conversation in the first place. No need to get upset. I just do not see the point in paying her anything.
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
12 Jan 09
Hello Irisheyes, "Should the First Lady Draw a Paycheck"? Interesting question, for sure! Here is my proposed answer: If the first lady is earning a paycheck for which she is CONTRACTED, then yes she should earn a paycheck! However, if she is asserting her personal 'agenda' onto the American Public, AND she is not "CONTRACTED", "HIRED', OR "ELECTED" by the American Voters for a voter approved 'agenda' then her agenda is HER OWN! As such, the American taxpayer shouldn't be paying for her personable agenda -- period!!! No IF's, AND's, or But's!!! Let us remember, and NEVER FORGET that millions and millions of Americans gladly volunteer their services each and every year. If a First Lady believes that she is above those millions and millions of Americans who volunteer their services each year -- then -- we need to seriously question the motivation of the First Lady!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
13 Jan 09
Hello Irisheyes, The point is: Tradition holds that the position of First Lady is not a paid government employee. In fact, she is not obligated to do anything during her spouse's tenure! There have certainly been First Ladies who were inactive --Bess Truman comes first to mind. Let's look at this from the voter's perspective, shall we? We elect a President, and we then accomodate that President's family for years. They are sheltered on the taxpayer dime, regardless of their 'qualifications', or conduct. What has historically happened with First Ladies is that she chooses how active (or inactive) she wishes to be, as well as choosing those 'interests' or the agenda of her favorite issue(s) that she desires to promote. The voter has no say in those choices. So, if the voter (the employer) has no say in what she will do, or how well she will do it, then why in the heck should the voter be obligated to pay her??? If she wants to 'apply' for and hold a private or government job, or be self-employed during her term as First Lady then she is welcome to do so -- and the taxpayer will 'foot' the Secret Service bill to keep her safe. HOWEVER, if a First Lady wishes to fulfill what has typically been a volunteer post, i.e. First Lady activism, AND she wishes to assert her will to be compensated for that volunteer position, and most especially if she uses the power of the position of First Lady to accomplish that goal of being compensated for volunteer work, then that First Lady ought to be cut off at the knees! How very, very presumptuous it would be for any 'volunteer' to sign on to the parameters of the volunteer job during the campaign, then shift gears to finagle a paycheck after the fact. How classless! To your point below: "I do not believe that anyone who is offered and accepts compensation for work completed is in any way putting themselves above those who choose to volunteer their services." I would absolutely agree with you IF, and only IF, that person desiring that compensation had not actively pursued a volunteer position! By actively campaigning to help the spouse win the election, and by not declaring an intention to either choose 'inactivity' or to maintain paid employment, that person now seeking to convert the volunteer position to a paid position has, in my opinion, perpetrated a fraud. What we have to remember is that the term First Lady ONLY defines the marital status of the wife of the president. As indicated above, there are no obligatory duties that accompany the title, save the perpetuation of the marital relationship. Again, if a First Lady wants a paid job, then fine let her go get one. Though, it is NOT incumbent upon the taxpayer to pay her for being the spouse of the president -- nor should it be!!!
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@irisheyes (4370)
• United States
12 Jan 09
I do not believe that anyone who is offered and accepts compensation for work completed is in any way putting themselves above those who choose to volunteer their services. Is a doctor who works 50 hours a week at a lucrative practice putting his or her self above a doctor who volunteers a couple times a week at free clinic? Of course not. Volunteerism is always at the discretion of the volunteer. It's a wonderful thing but no one has the right to expect it from someone else. The First Lady has the right to choose or not choose to do volunteer work just as every other American. Your idea of a contract is interesting. Perhaps someone should interview an incoming First Lady and find out what duties she is willing or unwilling to perform. Then it could be decided what she would or would not be offered compensation for. Then she would have the right to accept the money or to volunteer or a combination of both. Unlike some of the respondents here, I truly believe that we would have some First Ladies who would opt out of the whole damn thing.
@irisheyes (4370)
• United States
13 Jan 09
Ladyluna, Ladyluna...You have given me much to think about and much to disagree with. Certainly the First Lady is not obligated to do anything other than to put her working life on hold for 4-8 years.(More about this below) However, as the role expands she does a great deal. Bess Truman and Mamie Eisenhower were the last of the "Stay at Home" First Ladies and that was fine for their era but times have changed and I doubt anyone would use them as role models for an incoming First Lady. A lot is expected of a modern First Lady. If she is not obligated, it might be because we have not defined her expanded role. We've just more or less dumped it on her. I think it's high time we made it official. "They are sheltered on the taxpayer dime, regardless of their qualifications or conduct" - A man whose wife is judged unsuitable by the American electorate would have a difficult time making it to the White House. The conduct and character of the First Lady is a deciding factor in the elction of a president. I believe that on a subconscious level at Americans know there are two distinct jobs being meted out but only one person gets paid. "If she wants to apply for and hold a private or government job....she is welcome to do so" - She absolutely is not welcome to do so and could not do so without opening the presidency to serious conflict of interest charges. I can just see it now. President's lawyer wife wins case in judge so and so's court and said judge is considered for the Supreme Court. Or said judge is dropped for consideration for Supreme Court. With the set up in Washington, it would be virtually impossible for a First Lady to take on any private sector or government job. That works out well because then she is free to arrange for the public affairs of the White House. My point is that she should be paid for doing those thin What happens in the private quarters of the White House are not at issue here but the aspects of the public house that the first lady oversees are not normal functions within a marriage. Overseeing a dinner for three hundred people to honor a quenn or a pop is not the same thing as feeding ones husband and children.
@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
11 Jan 09
Absolutely not. Not only is there no constitutional presciption for such, but it would be, as you pointed out, an extra federal paycheck. It is also not a described position. There is no "job description" for the first lady anywhere. Anything they do while they are in the white house are merely the various traditional rolls they have adopted, not hired for or positions elected to.
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• United States
11 Jan 09
I agree. The elected jobs in politics were never ment to be a role to live in. Our founding fathers put their life on hold to do these jobs. Many of them including our first president did not want to do it but did it for his country. The first lady does not have to put her life on hold. There is nothing in the constitution requiring her to put her life on hold and move to Washington. She would be protected where ever she is.
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@irisheyes (4370)
• United States
11 Jan 09
xfahctor: There may have been "traditional roles" for the first ladies in Victorian times but the times have changed and these are modern, accomplished women expected to do PR and goodwill diplomacy for a modern presidency. The fact that their roles are undefined, makes it even more difficult. Maybe it's time to define the position a bit, give it a job decription and make it an official role. I'll tell you one thing for certain, when a woman becomes president, there will be something done to define and reimburse for the role of "First Man" and in all likelhood the first "First Man" will not do the job half so well as some of the women have without recognition of any kind.
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
11 Jan 09
"I'll tell you one thing for certain, when a woman becomes president, there will be something done to define and reimburse for the role of "First Man" and in all likelihood the first "First Man" will not do the job half so well as some of the women have without recognition of any kind." All I can say is "Hip-Hip-HHHOOOOORAAAAYYYY!" Annie
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@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
12 Jan 09
I made a comment to this effect but feel it is worth a full on response. I hope people will read this and think about it. To add the "position" of first lady, would be to add a position that is granted by virtue of marriage. It would essentially be a monarchial position, something both unimaginable and abhorent to this country and it's principals. It would also require a full contitutional convention to ammend the executive branch. The LAST thing this country wants, whether it realizes it or not, is a constitutional convention. Once in convention, anything toes, there is no constitution, anything can be added and anything can be removed, including the bill of rights.
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
13 Jan 09
Hello X, I'm sorry that I didn't read your post before providing follow up to my own. I agree with your 'marital status' point 100%. There is nothing sinister in declaring the obvious -- a First Lady is only a first lady because of her marital status. And yes, I would similarly deem it "monarchical" (or perhaps even tyrannical) because a President would be participating in the worst kind of nepotism if his or her spouse was 'guaranteed' a paid position simply because of who they were married to. Excellent point, X!!!
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@irisheyes (4370)
• United States
12 Jan 09
I just do not see a position that requires entertaining, scheduling and running the executive mansion as a "monarchial position". There's no divine right of kings here. Also, I could understand the need for a constitutional revision if the First Ladies role in any way involved governing the country. But it does not. It is largely ceremonial and there are a lot of other ceremonial roles Washington that are very well paid - eg. Chief of Protocol.
@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
13 Jan 09
it would in fact be monarchial because she would get it simply by virtue of mariage.
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@jonesy123 (3948)
• United States
11 Jan 09
Don't feel sorry for the First Lady. She makes enough money afterwards from books and charity stuff, speaking engagements etc. They also have a completely free ride in the White House and will be able to wear the finest clothes for free. The presidency is in essence a package deal. If the First Lady starts to draw a paycheck just like her husband, just because of the position she is in, well, then the First Lady would politically be a much bigger focus. She would be officially a part of the ticket. Anyhow, as of now the First Lady does not really have an official role so to speak laid out by a document such as the constitution. In theory she could lay back and do nothing. The role the First Ladies nowadays assume has grown over time. We people simply expect the spouse of the President to support the President and to appear at the President's side at most official functions. As such support the spouse takes over the oversight over the domestic functions of the White House. Again, a simple expectation of us the people that this will be done. Over time, First Ladies have taken on charity causes. This most likely is born out of the need to do something other than domestic duty and looking pretty. A President's spouse could continue to work in a position outside the White House. Michelle Obama could work in her old job, if she wanted to. However, presidential advisors would probably hate to see that. The hint of favoritism might be a problem. But as I said, if the spouse of a President would desire to have a paying job, he/she could do that. Whether they like it or not, they know what they are getting themselves into when their spouse is running for office. Some might enjoy it, some might not. I have the impression Michelle Obama will enjoy it. Anyhow, as I pointed out, the presidency is a package deal and much of what the First Lady's duties are today are based on the expectations the public has of her. If she does the job well, her spouse will shine and be re-elected. If she performs badly, well, she might be in trouble with her spouse. Her life is not much different as that of any other spouse. You see to it that your spouse makes a good impression, especially if it is work-related. This in turn will help your spouse keep his/her job and make advancements careerwise. Does the supporting spouse get paid for that? No. It's the same for the President's spouse. The public is the President's employer, so the president's spouse has to make a good impression to us and fulfill our expectations. If the First Lady should draw a paycheck, then spouses across the nation should have to draw a paycheck from their spouse's company as well, especially if they host parties for co-workers, bosses, and clients, or accompany their spouse to such events. There is no difference just because the First Lady is at a higher level.
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@irisheyes (4370)
• United States
12 Jan 09
You mention that there is no constitutional defining of the first lady's role. This is certainly true but it could be addressed and changed. /also, I'd point out that there is no mentin in the constitution of a "package deal." Also, a First Lady who worked in any job but especially a high powered one like those held by Michelle Obama or Hillary Clinton would open the presidency to serious charges of conflict of interest. I really do not thin it is realistic for any first lady to work while her husband is president. As for the fact that women all over the country would then like to be paid for their contributions. Many of them already want that and in one place at least they do get some compensation for their years of sacrifice. That place, unfortunately, is the divorce court.
@irisheyes (4370)
• United States
13 Jan 09
Jonesy, if you read the initial thread you would see that I opened with a comment regarding conflict of interest.
@jonesy123 (3948)
• United States
12 Jan 09
"Also, a First Lady who worked in any job but especially a high powered one like those held by Michelle Obama or Hillary Clinton would open the presidency to serious charges of conflict of interest." Do you read the comments made to your discussion? I pointed that out already. Like it or not, it's a package deal and they know it. It's what people traditionally have expected of the presidency. They know it getting in. Both Obamas gave up well paying jobs to be in the White House. They are millionaires. The President makes peanuts in comparison. Don't kid yourself, nobody is there for the money. They are there for the power. So, you would like to change the constitution to give the First Lady a salary? I would say, then she officially has to run for the position just like her spouse. How about we make a position of First Companion. A person we like to accompany the president to official functions etc. Doesn't have to be the spouse, lol. And if you think the spouse gets compensated for her sacrifice in divorce court you haven't been there lately. What they get, if anything at all, is nothing compared to what they should have gotten as payment during the marriage. Do you know that a SAHM's efforts, if the spouse would have to pay for it, amounts to more than $130k/year?
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@uath13 (8192)
• United States
12 Jan 09
Recognition sure...A paycheck, NO. Her husband is already bringing in enough for them both, not to mention everything she's getting paid for public speaking engagements.
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@irisheyes (4370)
• United States
12 Jan 09
The time honored recognition for work done is a salary. People are not paid according to what they need or how much their spouse has earned. They are compensated for the work they have done.
@irisheyes (4370)
• United States
12 Jan 09
The speaking engagements come after the presidency not during it. The demand is there. When a someone has been the leader of the free world for 4-8 years, people are willing to pay an arm and a leg to hear what they have to say. An ex-president would have to be the village idiot not to cash in on that. Heck, movie stars make 20 million a picture, why begrudge and ex-president who has lead our country for less money than a doctor in a teaching hospital, a chance to make some money. I don't see where that has any bearing at all on what the First Lady does. People earn money based on the work they do not on whether or not they need the money.
@uath13 (8192)
• United States
12 Jan 09
Do some research into how much they get paid for public speaking engagements. I won't make that much in a lifetime.
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@alindahaw (1219)
• Philippines
12 Jan 09
I'm sure that the First Lady has a big role to fullfill but I do not see the point of giving her a salary. I mean, her husband is already on the government's payroll and since husbands and wives are supposed to share their income, she can still spend her husband's salary. Besides, parents do not need to be paid by the government for raising their children or making their homes more comfortable for the whole family.
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@irisheyes (4370)
• United States
12 Jan 09
I'm not suggesting that a First Lady be paid for being a wife and mother. Whatever goes on in the private living quarters of the White House, she should not be paid for. I'm talking about greeting dignataries, arranging state dinners, scheduling entertainment etc. It's important not to mix the private woman and the public woman when it comes to salary. Husbands and wives may have shared income once but that is no longer the case. Modern couples even have prenuptial agreements to protect what is theirs.
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
11 Jan 09
I'm sorry but I consider the entire concept ridiculous. The first lady doesn't cook, clean, do laundry, grocery shop, or even drive her children to school the way many ordinary women do. She has professionals preparing food, laundering clothes, keeping the kitchen stocked and providing transportation for her kids to and from the BEST private schools in the country. Teenage girls working at McDonalds have rougher lives and work much harder than any first lady ever has. Presidential families don't spend their own money on ANYTHING while in office. They can take vacations around the world on the taxpayer's dime and never even report it. During Clinton's presidency, Hillary Clinton took Chelsea on an expensive trip to Africa where they did an African safari. The cost of that trip was never disclosed despite being paid for by taxpayers. In the end, her only REAL responsibility is to be a mom, assuming she has children. She doesn't have to do interviews, make speeches, or appear on any magazines. It's her own choice if she wishes to do such things. The president gets around $400,000 a year so it's not as though she doesn't have a ridiculous amount of spending money should she choose to do something that isn't on the taxpayer's dime. Heck, after all this talk, I'm kind of wishing I were a first lady... er make that first man, or first dude if you're from Alaska.
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@irisheyes (4370)
• United States
12 Jan 09
Come on, since when do we adequately compensate the people who do the hard work? In my thread I stated that the first lady was the executive housekeeper for America's Home (eg White House) Fair on unfair as it may be, executive housekeepers get paid a whole lot more money then those who clean windows and kitchens and toilets. The First Lady also functions as an Ambassador and stand in for the President and others who do those jobs are very, very highly paid. As for her not being impelled to give interviews and pose for magazines - It might not be mandatory but the wrath of the nation would certainly descend upon a First Lady who did not do those things.
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
12 Jan 09
"Come on, since when do we adequately compensate the people who do the hard work?" If that's your thinking then we should give that extra money to the housekeepers and cooks at the white house instead of the first lady. "In my thread I stated that the first lady was the executive housekeeper for America's Home (eg White House) Fair on unfair as it may be, executive housekeepers get paid a whole lot more money then those who clean windows and kitchens and toilets." Executive Housekeeper? Are you kidding me? http://www.hcareers.com/seeker/search/view?jobAdId=2B64B77773D8C510&type=partner&source=indeedorganic Please read that job description and explain to me how the first lady performs those duties. Otherwise, quit using that title as it clearly does not apply to the first lady. "The First Lady also functions as an Ambassador and stand in for the President and others who do those jobs are very, very highly paid." The first lady is not a stand in for the president. That's the vice president's job. Some first ladies have acted as ambassadors, but that's not their job and nobody in this country EXPECTS them to be ambassadors. "As for her not being impelled to give interviews and pose for magazines - It might not be mandatory but the wrath of the nation would certainly descend upon a First Lady who did not do those things." What makes you think that? I couldn't care less if the first lady does interviews or poses for magazines. I've never watched an interview or checked out a magazine cover with Laura Bush, Barbara Bush, or Nancy Reagan. I left out Hillary Clinton only because I saw interviews with her after she decided to run for the senate.
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@irisheyes (4370)
• United States
12 Jan 09
I don't think I need to quit using the title so much as you need to quit stretching it. Your job description is for an executive housekeeper in a hotel in Clevelend. I've a friend who is an executive housekeeper on an estate on the Philadelphia Main Line and her duties are very similar to what Michelle Obama will be doing in the White House. She earns $90,00 per year plus bonuses and healthcare. Her employer supplier her with a car and pays her daughter's $32,000 room and board for a private university. I didn't say the First Lady had to be on the magazine cover but I did say she was expected to be in magazines. I have seen both Bush women and Nancy Reagan in the pages of Town & Country. I do think that Michelle Obama will be expected to do more along those lines since she is a good deal younger and the first African American First Lady. I dare say a lot of people will criticize her for that but I think it will be great.
@kellys3ps (3723)
• United States
11 Jan 09
I agree with you! The American First Lady often puts in just as many hours as her husband does with little or no credit for her works.
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@irisheyes (4370)
• United States
12 Jan 09
Thank you. I'm glad a few people agree with me.
• United States
12 Jan 09
Amen to that!!!
@baileycows (3665)
• United States
12 Jan 09
I don't really think that they should. We already pay the president for life his salary and she put her life on hold for her husbands career. A women of this magnitude not saying Michelle Obama could do anything with their lives. They are their to support their husbands. I feel that these acts show how dedicated a wife should be to her husband just like the Bible states. The husband is the bread winner we are to raise the family and take care of the household.
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@irisheyes (4370)
• United States
12 Jan 09
As long as we have a separation of church and state, I don't think the bible can be used as criteria for determining the First Lady's duty. You can use the constitution but not the bible.
@Fortunata (1135)
• United States
12 Jan 09
No. I know that Michelle Obama has floated this trial balloon, and in my opinion, if she wants to be in government, then run for office. Period. She is a mother and a wife. She'll be a support system for her husband and children. I wouldn't say that's nothing. Why do people always belittle what spouses do that don't work?
@irisheyes (4370)
• United States
12 Jan 09
Just wanted to add one thing here. I'm not suggesting that a First Lady be compensated for being a wife or a mother. Those are important roles for all women but they are not a traditional workplace job. However, running the White House, functioning as an Ambassadress and acting as the Presidents eyes and ears while touring the country are traditional workplace jobs for which others are very well compensated. I see no reason for a First Lady to do those things without pay while she is at the same time raising children and managing her family.
@irisheyes (4370)
• United States
13 Jan 09
White House as in America's Home not White House as in oval office, executive branch of government etc.
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
12 Jan 09
Irisheyes, how exactly is the first lady "running the White House"? I honestly think the average housewife does more "running" of her household than any first lady.
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@murderistic (2278)
• United States
11 Jan 09
I don't think that she should have a paycheck for all of the above mentioned reasons. I do think it's nice to recognize all that the first ladies do, though. It will be interesting to see if the "first man" will take on the traditional first lady rolls when we elected a Female president. :)
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@irisheyes (4370)
• United States
12 Jan 09
Trust me, the day we get our first "First Man" will be the day they figure out how to give the president's spouse a salary. LOL
@megsgem (123)
• United States
11 Jan 09
the sacrifices the first lady makes to her country are actually between her and her husband. A devoted wife who supports her husbands endeavors will make those sacrifices. Don't fool yourself into thinking that anyone of them if given a choice would not have chosen the path of first lady with all the fringe benifits. The experience of being first lady is a rare life opportunity, an honor, and quite an experience. Imagine having first lady with all the duties listed on a job resume...if ever needed after the term/s. Now if the wife is not willing then the man should not run. I believe that if there is a specific job that the first lady performs such as Good will ambassador then she should be paid....But not from the Presidents money. It should reflect that which she does not jsut cuz she holds the position.
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@irisheyes (4370)
• United States
11 Jan 09
You will never convince me that Patricia Nixon wanted to be First Lady. My heart bled for that woman because she so obviously did not want to be in the White House. I think that Jackie Kennedy also may have chosen otherwise. Definitely every First Lady has functioned as a Good will Ambassador and much more. The bit about cutting some money from the president was said tongue in cheek but the reality is that in the current economic climate that's about the only way it couldd be done.
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• United States
12 Jan 09
Someone mentioned the perks. Look, lets be real. What perks? having someone tend to your needs all day long? having a husband that may or may not give you what you need emotionally or financially? I got a problem with this. Maybe it could be because I am divorced and been through this thing but I firmly believe that a woman I don't care who she is, she ought to be able to have a leg to stand on. More definitely, a financial leg, a educational leg, dang so much so that she can hold her own at the table. There is too many women these days whose husbands are dying on or divorcing them and they have no idea what they are worth, what to do or anything. this must stop. To get back on the First Lady spiel, I don't know what they get, but they put their lives on the line for this country to, and if we cannot do something on this, then that's not right, and I am surprised at the women here who feels that the ladies shouldn't get anything. This is sad.
@megsgem (123)
• United States
12 Jan 09
As pointed out she performs specific duties and i belive she should be paid for those. i am hoping Michelle Obama will be a strong woman who will do a lot for our country and I hope she gets paid for those that she does but I also hope she is able to provide a relatively normal life for those girls too. Michelle is a strong intelligent woman and I believe in her and her right to be paid for any job she does.
@KrauseHome (36448)
• United States
12 Jan 09
Interesting thoughts here, and I can truly see where you are coming from. I actually feel maybe that they do need to give some special kind of stippant for the First Lady and her children, (if she has some still living at home). That would be a lot easier than her having to always ask her husband for extra $$ for getting school clothes, or special things for herself. But then again she might have some set aside for special things that the President sets aside, or a special fund we may not know about already set up. But yes, they do play quite an important part in the American Presidency and usually most of them are what helps keep their husbands motivated even when everything around them seems to be crumbling as well. We should really give more thanks and respect to these women for sure.
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@irisheyes (4370)
• United States
13 Jan 09
I also think we should give them thanks and respect. We should also acknowledge that it is an expanding role that nowdays entails the sacrifice of leaving a career on hold. Thanks for responding.
@AmbiePam (85660)
• United States
14 Jan 09
That is a very interesting concept. If the salary was taken from the President's pay, it would end up in the same bank account probably, but still, it would be more of a statement than anything. And a good one. Those women work their tails off! And Mrs. Obama is going to have her hands full as well. She has duties, but still she has to shield her kids from so many things because of her husband's job. And poor Mrs. Bush. She had to fight through so much just because of the media's opinion of her husband. Everything she did was scrutinized that much more!
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@irisheyes (4370)
• United States
14 Jan 09
Yes, I think it is a statement and it should be made at this point because as the role expands, it is going to become more necessary. I just read interview with Laura Bush and she stated that although she saw her function as a wife first, she had no idea how demanding the job of First Lady was and she was not prepared for it. They never are, yet they all seem to carry it off beautifully and in their own unique way. Any slack that I'm still cutting for George Bush is probably because of Laura Bush. I adore her. I'm also looking forward to the First Ladyship of Michelle Obama. We should be so luck with the presidents as we are with the First Ladies.
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@AmbiePam (85660)
• United States
14 Jan 09
I can't imagine how hard it was to be in Laura Bush's place after 9/11.
@Savvynlady (3684)
• United States
12 Jan 09
Irisheyes, I see your point greatly. When Clinton and Obama won the Presidency, I wondered about Hillary and now Michelle. These women both have high profile careers. Laura Bush was a librarian and teacher, and she gave up her job to be at her husband's side. Me being a woman, I feel sorry for them because in a sense, they lose their incomes and identities to be with their husbands. Because of that, yes, I feel we should pay them. This isn't like when George Washington or Abraham Lincoln's time when the wives did stay at home and had no career, these are very accomplished women in their own right. So the point you make, although it is a valid point, I don't think the additional salary you mention can stop a gap into what most of these ladies were making.
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@irisheyes (4370)
• United States
12 Jan 09
You're absolutely right, the salary I mentioned was just a drop in the bucket but it would be some acknowledgment. I agree wholeheartedly that the times have changed and we cannot keep on doing the same things because that's the way they've been done for 200 years. That makes about as much sense as going without electricity and driving a horse and buggy. You and I are in agreement but on this thread we seem also to be in the majority. LOL
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@irisheyes (4370)
• United States
13 Jan 09
You're so right. Women will continue to be treated as second class citizens as long as they think like second class citizens and it looks like that thinking is pretty ingrained.
• United States
12 Jan 09
Irisheyes, I believe we're definitely in the MINORITY,and like I mentioned earlier, I am truly surprised at the women who are down with this which is why women are in poverty big time moreso than men. I feel that as a first lady, she should have something as well. I know Hillary Clinton took a cut, Michelle Obama is taking a big one, Laura Bush took one herself. And for those memoirs ya'll mentioned? that won't happen until after their husbands leave office. Ok, Hillary did "It takes a village to raise a child" while Bill ran the country, but I have some sympathy for these ladies because it just goes to show you that this country is way behind on their thinking as far as equality. We'll pay folks for the silliest stuff but for something like this, uhh uhh.
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@us2owls (1681)
• United States
11 Jan 09
No I think if the First Lady drew a paycheck it would reduce what she does in the eyes of the public. What if Hillary had ecome President (perish the thought) then Bill would have been eligible to draw a paycheck on top of the massive amount he draws from his time as President. No I definitely do not think the First Lady or Man whichever it might be in the future should draw a paycheck. They live rent free - have loads of free service - cooking cleaning and the likes - that IMO is quite enough.
• United States
12 Jan 09
No. It's a voluntary position, but one that should be considered a job if the president and his wife get divorced while he is in office or afterwards, besides, he continues to get paid after he is out of office too. thats a hefty sum as well
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@irisheyes (4370)
• United States
13 Jan 09
But it's the same job whether the couple is married or not. Are you saying that divorced first ladies should be paid for their work and married first ladies should not? Remember, the work is outside the marriage. I'm not suggesting that the First Lady be paid for her time as a wife and mother. That would be an issue for another thread.
@irisheyes (4370)
• United States
13 Jan 09
Right, and during that while between wives, someone would have to arrange and hostess white house functions for visiting dignitaries and that someone would be paid.
@jonesy123 (3948)
• United States
13 Jan 09
If they divorce, she is no longer First Lady. Look what happened in France, the old one left Sarkozy and he found a new companion. As soon as the divorce was final, the first wife was out of the residence and off the list for political functions. The same would happen here. There simply would be no First Lady for a while.
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@eileenleyva (27562)
• Philippines
18 Apr 10
Last time I saw the American news, Michelle Obama was singing with the Haiti children. And she is as natural as she is sincere. A maxim goes that The success of a great man is due to a great woman beside/behind him. Let's give credit to the beauteous First Lady.
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@irisheyes (4370)
• United States
31 Jul 10
Yes, I think we shuld give our first ladies credit and I think we should probably go beyond that and give them a paycheck. Almost all of them have had to put careers on hold and in the case of some, like Michelle Obama, those have been pretty high end carrers.
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