Can the New Justice Department NOT Investigate Bush Administration?

Well there is still nothing official on whether the courts consider waterboarding torture. Right now we have liberals who think it's torture to play the Sesame Street song to terrorists or god forbid, not allow them to have a sound sleep at night. I remember a few years back when liberals were protesting that the terrorists weren't allowed to have all the right towels and mats when praying. Even if the definition officially included waterboarding and Sesame Street, there is still the matter of whether the Geneva Convention applies to terrorists when it was meant for soldiers. Seriously, no good can come of this. Launching an investigation might make some liberals in this country happy and give them some revenge for the impeachment of Bill Clinton, but it would hurt the way people look at our country, damage how we are seen by the rest of the world, and seriously piss off people who still consider the economy to be the most important issue right now followed by Iraq.

When I read this and gave it a little thought, I was reminded of Nixon. What he did was treason, yet, in his later years, people actually admired him and treated him as a wise elder statesman. American memories are short, I guess. The idea of Bush and his cronies being forgiven for torturing in our name is absolutely disgusting! We must all nag our new leaders until ther ae charges and investigations and, more than anything, official condemnation!

Well before we have no more pennies, because Opal is prepared to give the last one away... I would have to say that putting this administration on ice would be a good message for all of the following administrations to understand that the American public are tired of watching our values getting trashed. The judiciary certainly has their job to do and if they don't the next part of the cleaning will begin right there. Until the whole mess is all cleaned up there is a lot of work to do for a lot of people. It is time the people stand up and demand the justice that we are guaranteed. Hey' I'm doing my part... You are familiar with some of my issues, why should I have to suffer while real liars and criminals strut and flaunt their freedoms as though they have any right to be so full of themselves? You know you could get me started here... But I need to read what the is written in that link... So top of my responded to list just one down task for tomorrow at hand.

Annie, I am very glad you brought this up because besides doing research I was hoping to hear your thoughts on this one. I will not say I know the law well enough on this one, however what I have been seeing in the court room when I have been, I do have questions of where and how much longer lil bush and cheney are going to get out of this? I did see the case with the lawyers defedning Bush, Cheney, and Ashcroft on some of these very particulars and of couse the charges were dismissed upon the Appelett Court level. So, there are questions with in questions here as well. You will have to read my report on what I saw and heard in the court room last year. I am a little nervous on this one, that is being civil and friendly on that topic. Ainge

Well comparing they will have secret service with them where ever they go for the rest of their lives I really do not think another country will arrest them. Plus most countries would not want to cause that big of a international crisis. Being as he was our president...whoever was president at the time would have to come to his defense and be pretty nasty with that country. The president is a symbol of this country...even past presidents. Plus he will not travel to countries that would actually arrest him. He will still have "hanlders" and they will keep him out of that kind of trouble. I do not know if they will be investigated. We have tons of issues right now so the whole thing might get put on the back burner and forgotten for a while. We will just have to wait and see. But to be honest I do not see anything major coming out of it. They may investigate.. they may say some harsh words. But I do not see Bush being charged with anything. Heck even Nixon never went to jail. What can I say...its good to be the president. They had Nixon pardoned because they did not want the embarrassemtn of having a former US president in prison....well the same still holds true today. You may not like it or agree with it but it is what will probly happen. It's the whole not wanting to diminish the office of the president thing.

"The chickens are coming home to roost."

I agree with you. I've wondered about this a lot lately. I really hope they decide to investigate this. Otherwise, it could easily happen again, and the person could argue that since Bush could do it, he could too.

Going to be pretty tricky business. You won't catch me arguing the administration committed some constitutional violations, but then again, so have the last few presidents. If they begin investigating Bush, they are going to have to also investigate members of congress, including the congressional leaders. It would be a huge can of worms to open and once opened, theres no closing it. I don't know the law extremely well, but I know enough constitutional theory to know that this involves a lot of gray areas, always dangerous territory when trying to prossecute any case.

I just received a phone call from my uncle and he said he saw something about Bush being pardoned for something. I didn't see or hear anything about it.

Someone posted a discussion some time ago about The Obama administration seeking to file charges against the Bush Administration. Lets go beyond Guantanamo Bay. We have to go into the whole 9/11 fiasco. I for one am still not convinced we were attacked by any outside forces and I could see the systematic explosions going off when the towers fell (ie: a building demolition). there is really no way the planes could've caused the towers to collapse. There is still no evidence a plane hit the Pentagon or one crashed in Pennsylvania. And if any aspect of the 9/11 theory was a lie, then the whole "War On Terror" was bogus as well. That would mean we assassinated Saddam Hussein under false pretenses. It basically would bring a lot of untruths to the light and someone should be held accountable for that!

I would think that in theory they could. The attitude I've gotten from this shortly to be defunct administration is the same as Nixon's back in the 70s - if the President does it, it isn't illegal! With no disrespect here because I have very good friends and some family who are Republicans, it does seem to be a rather Republican mindset that the President has carte blanche to disregard any inconvenient rules of law. This one mainly went around them with 'signing statements', but some things he deliberately said didn't apply (Geneva Convention, previously agreed treaties, etc.) For us to behave like them is for us to BE like them. I just can't see any other way to look at that. If we, who have been held in high esteem for so long because of our humanitarianism throughout the world, can decide that being humane only applies when the POWs are actually part of another country's military, then I don't see why other countries can't decide that they, too, can choose to ignore the previously agreed upon conventions about the care and handling of prisoners whenever they see fit. It doesn't matter that we were attacked by a group of madmen (not for the purposes of my statements here) - it matters how we respond to that attack. If we act like the madmen who attacked us, then we are as bad as they are. That's just how I see it. I know others won't agree and that's their right. I don't understand how they can't see that, but it's still their right to disagree with my perspective.

Well I don't know the law well but I think that Cheney refusing to testify when he was suppose to has already allowed Obama to be excused from going to court for either side on the governor's legal problems. It's something that we as a country should not allow to happen, we should not hold elected officals to an above the law status. It just would not be good for us.

Yes the government can do anything they want. However, whether they do it or not will be up to the people. If enough of us make noise it will happen. But remember, George Sr. still commands respect and still great backing! They will muddle things and delay things until the matter is dropped or they get some low levels that get off with slaps on the wrist. If it was up to me, I'd like Jeb Bush investigated as well. You know he helped his brother in the first election, steal Florida. Then there is Vice President Dlck Cheney who is probably still at his undisclosed location. If he knows whats good for him, he need to go hide with Osama Bin Laden (at his undisclosed location).

Hey annie! Well then I guess he had better just stay here then! Does that mean we would have to help him out the mess that he created? And waste perfectly good tax dollars? Well then, forget it! Let them have him! We had to put up with his dumb azz for 8 phucking years! Let someone else have the displeasure! In fact we will give him up to the lowest bidder! Do I hear 1 penny? Sold! Here's the penny!

It depends on whether softer methods of interrogation would have worked. People or nations do not use torture until all other methods have failed. If being detained does not work, and if they are by law forbidden from executing those who have murdered so many people, and if they are not allowed to use forced labor such as making them turn big rocks into pebbles, and the fear of not seeing their families do not stop these terrorists, then you have to use harsher punishments. I am sure that waterboarding has been tried out on the American military and perhaps they were more stoic, but when you use it against someone who is more emotional and will cry and scream, then it does seem a worse torture then it was and will influence someone whose main degree was in socialogy. We also have to remember the prisoners in Guantanamo Bay were not prisoners of war, they wore civilian clothes when they bombed buildings. Had they worn the uniform of the Iraqi, Iranian, or the UAR they would have been regarded as soldiers obeying their commander and thus been accorded the rules of the Geneva convention. So do you just release these on the promise that they will not attack Americans again? I am sure if you were captured in their countries, the torture you would endure would be much worse. I am sure if there was an investigation, the danger of these terrorists to America would be taken into account.

The D1ck Cheney? Is there more than one, lol? Do you belong to Code Pink? You sure do hate George Bush. Isn't it enough that he's out of office, Anniepa? It sounds like you want him hung like a nazi criminal. Well, that won't happen, sorry, lol!