Obama Stops Federal Funding For Abortions!!! (This one's for you Suspenseful)
By drknlvly6781
@drknlvly6781 (6246)
United States
January 24, 2009 12:32pm CST
As soon as I heard this on the news yesterday, I thought of you Suspenseful. (In hastiness a while ago, over disagreements, I deleted her from my friends list. I sent a new request yesterday, but she hasn't responded. So if anyone knows her, please direct her to this discussion. I don't want this to go on behind her back)
Before I get started, as the interest says, I'm putting this up for a debate. This isn't to start a rating war, and I'm not flinging mud. This is just a chance to defend opinions, as this site was made to do.
Suspenseful, while we were friends, I remember that you are against abortion. I also remember during the election, you were against Obama being elected, and was disappointed when he was elected; you didn't believe that he was experienced enough to make the right decisions for the country, correct me if I'm wrong. Not saying that you were wrong, you are entitled to your opinion.
But, in his short time in office, he has made some good decisions and put into legislature some good things. One of which being the freeze on top officials payrolls. But that isn't why I write this today....
He seems to have done something right in both of our eyes, Suspense. Just yesterday he presented legislature that would put a halt to government funding of Abortions. This is an excerpt from the article I found on it:
[President] Obama would repeal the Hyde Amendment, which protects pro-life citizens from having to pay for abortions that are not necessary to save the life of the mother and are not the result of rape or incest.
(For the full article go to: http://www.ncregister.com/site/article/16294/ , further if you find a more up to date article, please post it here)
Even though I consider myself to be pro-choice, never considering abortion for myself personally, but feel its a woman's choice to do so, I think this is a great step in the right direction, especially since so many in this country are divided over this issue. Why should our tax dollars go to pay for these abortions, especially the dollars of those that are pro-life?
Personally, I think this is great! My mom used to work in a clinic that did abortions, and there were a lot of "frequent flyers" as we called them, that would use this government funding to use this as their "birth control", or at least lessen the cost. I feel that its a woman's choice, but also believe that it should be their financial responsibility as well. The nation didn't help you into that situation, it shouldn't be responsible for helping you out.
How does this strike you Suspense? Does this improve your opinion of Obama? And for the rest of you, do you think this is a good move for the nation, or are you in disagreement with this, and think that federal funding should be continued?
Me, my mom, and grandma got into a discussion about it. Both of them feel that they should just put a stipulation on the funding, saying that everyone only gets one, outside of the rape and incest instances. I think it should be on a case by case basis, and still only one, but I am satisfied as it is now.
Oh, and this discussion is for everyone, just wanted to make sure Suspenful sees it. And Suspense, this isn't to single you out; even when we've disagreed I've made sure to keep it respectful. I just want a friendly debate, and want to know how you took this news.
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11 responses
@xfahctor (14113)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
24 Jan 09
I think you missed the context of the article. He didn't stop federal funding for abortions, repealing the act actualyy mandated it.
" [President] Obama would repeal the Hyde Amendment, which protects pro-life citizens from having to pay for abortions that are not necessary to save the life of the mother and are not the result of rape or incest. "
in repealing the act, pro lifers are no longer protected from having to pay for abortions.
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@suspenseful (40192)
• Canada
24 Jan 09
I did not realize that. I still do not trust Obama. I get much of my Christian info on the net from Alain's Newsletter and Onenewsnow. I guess others will assume that Obama is coming around but I guess he has not. I will now have to pray that God will raise up a political leader who will stop Obama's far left path to America's destruction. So far, that is the only chance America has.
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@drknlvly6781 (6246)
• United States
24 Jan 09
Oops, this is the wrong article. I do admit this is old. I will bring up a better article, or perhaps the news story from the station I got it from. I know for a fact that the news story I heard yesterday was him stopping federal funding for abortions. That's my fault for being so hasty in posting this discussion.
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@drknlvly6781 (6246)
• United States
24 Jan 09
OMG, I have misread this totally, misheard the news story. Ugh. Doesn't change my opinion about the President, not yet anyway. I never expected to agree with everything he does.....
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@suspenseful (40192)
• Canada
24 Jan 09
Still have not changed my opinion of Obama as a whole, but it proves that God is now working on his heart. And that the president is now realizing that there are honest God-fearing people praying for him, and that he should realize that they also live in America. I pray for those in authority that they would look up to God and protect the unborn, the infirm, and the elderly and not give place and provision for the depraved and the immoral and I made a special effort to pray for Obama, since the United States is our neighbor and what it does may influence Canada for good or evil.. I hope the president also does not ban the "don't ask, don't tell," so those in the military will not live in fear, and that he does not fund abortions in other countries, and that he will not approve embryonic stem cell research, or get rid of DOMA. And he should not make same gender people a privileged class.
He has a long way to go. It is his far left policies that bother me. I fear that some may take his far left policies as an excuse to persecute Christians. Already I heard that some teachers will not let students bring Bibles to read at lunch time. And they do not want Christmas plays, just Winter festivals.
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@suspenseful (40192)
• Canada
25 Jan 09
I do wonder whether this prayer at the inauguration was just show, when Obama did staff his cabinet with pro homosexual and pro abortion people, it does not look as if he were sincere. I do believe that we should honestly pray for him to change his mind and let God rule. Caving in to ungodly people can be contributed to either fear or his own heart or a lack of love. And it could leave to worse things. He might be resentful about his bringing up or that he is part white (I do not think him being part black worries him as much). And that will make him a terrible leader. I do not want America's ethnic relations or whatever be worse then it is now or go back to what it was before that march.
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@slickcut (8140)
• United States
25 Jan 09
Suspensful, i see that you have seen this discussion.I do not believe in abortion either.....As you have stated "We must pray that GOD will keep his hand on our new President & that God directs his path...The Bible tells us to Pray for our leaders & i truely believe that we should,its a hard task and he really will need the prayers of the people..I admire you for your prayers....
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@Ravenladyj (22902)
• United States
24 Jan 09
Why should our tax dollars go to pay for these abortions, especially the dollars of those that are pro-life?
I dunno..to me thats like saying why should I have to pay school taxes when i dont have kids let alone kids in school....
I personally think that the gov helping out in the aboriton area is a needed thing....There are many woman and sadly young girls who NEED that abortion but if the gov doesnt cover it there is no way they'd be able to afford it and that could be a very dangerous and bad scene...
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@patgalca (18481)
• Orangeville, Ontario
24 Jan 09
Well, I'm not American but I support Obama's decision. I am anti-abortion so I sure as heck don't think tax payers should be paying for abortions. You refer to it as the government paying for the abortions but the government gets their money from tax payers.
I think if you went on a case by case basis each abortion request would have to be submitted to a jury of judges and, well, you know how long that could take... probably past the safe date. And again, this panel would be paid by tax payers money. If it is left to the discretion of the doctor, well, not every doctor is honest and some give stupid advice.
If a woman/girl gets pregnant (outside of rape and incest) then they should suffer the consquences or NOT suffer. Stop and take a look at this outcome, learn the lessons and perhaps consider this child a blessing from God. I believe all things happen for a reason and I cannot condone abortion unless it is for health reasons.
But getting back to the original discussion, why should tax payers pay for someone else's mistake?
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@olivebranch56 (910)
• United States
25 Jan 09
patgalca drk misread the article. O'Bama repealed the Hyde amendment which means he made it possible for the government to pay for abortion again, he also signed a bill to start the US paying for abortions in foreign countries again. This man is no Christian, at least not my definition of one.
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@slickcut (8140)
• United States
25 Jan 09
I was also leery at first about Obama as well,but i have realized that there were a lot of lies told on Obama,they really put him down (big Time) well i watched him being put into office and i have to say that I was impressed with him......I think he will be a good president after all, and i think he will make a differance..He will have a lot of battles to fight because he did not come into this office with a perfect government, it was very troubled when he was coming in so i think we should give him some time to see what he can do...Being President is a very hard job and he will probably be gray headed before its over with..I have noticed that every president that has been in office ,come in looking fine & then all the grief hits them and they become so tired....We will just have to pray for him and hopefully he will have the strength to carry his load......As for abortion I also feel it is wrong , but thats my feelings,some do not agree & thats their right....Hopefully suspensful will see this...She is a nice lady, she just wants to please God & do the right thing thats all...
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@sid556 (30953)
• United States
25 Jan 09
The Planned Parenthood Clinics that are all over do much more beyond offer abortions. They are based on income and have helped out so many by educating them on various methods of birth control as well as making it affordable. Both my daughter and I had cervical cancer and had to be treated by a specialist. If not for the help of Planned Parenthood, I don't think we could have afforded the procedure. These facilities could not stay up and running without funding.
I do agree that those that do not approve of abortion should not have to pay for it. It goes against their principals. I think that the terms of this funding need to be re-written. The money should NOT go towards abortions unless it is a situation where the mother's life is in danger or perhaps the case of a rape. I think with proper councel and the knowledge that if they get pregnant that it is going to cost them....some would be more pro-active in preventing unwanted pregnancy to begin with. Still, birth control is not 100% and situations do happen. I think that these facilities should be held accountable to provide councelling on all alternatives when an unwanted pregnancy does occur....including abortion. The cost of this procedure should not be supplemented.
I also feel that the parents of minor girls have the right to be informed. This procedure should not be done without their knowledge. It is a very personal decision and I agree that the final choice should be the girls but at the very least the parents need to know. There just has to be a middle ground here that is fair to all.
@flame2000 (99)
• United States
25 Jan 09
I agree with you.It is a personal decision.I would never have an abortion,but I won't tell someone that they can't.I don't want my tax money to pay for abortions.People who voted for Obama should understand what he stands for....lol
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@Polly1 (12644)
• United States
25 Jan 09
This sure is a hot topic. I see that Suspenseful has seen this discussion, I am glad she has. Its a nice thing you did to make sure she sees this. We all do have opinions and most of us are respectful of each other. I hope she agrees to your friends request. We have so many different people here, different ages, different beliefs, different parts of the world. We are able to state our opinions and be heard. Personally I do not believe in abortions, but at the same time, if a women chooses to have one, I will not shun her. I might not approve, but its not my place to judge her. I am not in her shoes.
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@HeavenUnaware (1757)
• United States
25 Jan 09
No offense drknlvly but this is a perfect example of people who voted for Obama not having the first clue of what this man stands for.
This act by him has only strengthened my dislike for the man. I am completely against abortions and thanks to Obama, I will now have to pay for them for other people who apparently do not know how to be responsible enough to make sure they do not get pregnant.
All of the pro-abortion folks want to scream "Woman's body, woman's rights".. well I say "woman's body, woman's RESPONSIBILITY" and if you can't be responsible enough to protect yourself or to raise a child if you end up in that position or smart enough to give the baby up for adoption - then YOU can fund the abortion yourself .. it's your body, right? Then take care of it and stop looking for everyone else to bail you out. Why should my money be used to kill your baby? Let the guilt of it all lay on your shoulders and your wallet.
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@olivebranch56 (910)
• United States
25 Jan 09
Dear you are not reading this article correctly. Hyde kept the Government from paying for abortions. He is repealing Hyde, which means he is over turning it, or getting rid of it. He has also opened up funding again for the TS to pay for abortions in other countries again, which was stopped I think by the Reagan administration, but I may be wrong. Go back and reread the article again. Blessings Marilyn
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@flame2000 (99)
• United States
25 Jan 09
Bush put a ban on federal funding for abortions ....OK?
Obama lifted the ban...SO...Your tax money could go to pay for abortions.(Like it or not)
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@murugezh (273)
• India
25 Jan 09
Hi drknlvly6781 that is great man I am an Indian I hope he is going to do some thing great to the Americans as well as to the human being living all around the world. Let him study and analyze the world and the status that exist in this current world and he is making decisions. I believe he has taken nice decision over the presentation of legislature. And I would like to appreciate that you have started a discussion some thing useful and important. Thanks.
