A world without scarcity would be a world without sin.

United States
January 25, 2009 8:28pm CST
I am reading some interesting stuff about progressive economics in the book Economics as Religion by Robert Nelson. It is common knowledge that most murder, oppression and war result from envy, greed, and a want for resources and opportunity. Nelson states that "The state of material deprivation is the original sin of economic theology. Then, if this diagnosis is correct, the cure for evil in the world follows directly enough. If sin results from destructive forces brought into existence by material scarcity, a world without scarcity, a world of complete material abundance, will be a world without sin." What do you think about this theory? Do you think that material abundance worldwide would create a "heaven on earth?" Or do you think that people will always find one reason or another to hate each other?
6 responses
26 Jan 09
It works for me, I want to invade India for its rubber trees, LOL
26 Jan 09
Well I thought about invading Afghanistan for its opium but the US military is already there and I don't want to mess with them, so no invasions for me this year
• United States
26 Jan 09
Well if it works for you because of selfish reasons than it isn't really working.
• India
26 Jan 09
Material deprivation is the original sin of economic theology. But economic theology does not take into account that which originates from within. Even when one has all the material possession there is no certainty that one will use the possession to build human society for progress and peace. In fact, it is those who have greater wealth and greater power who have caused more destruction to human civilization. And I think it is because Aristotelian "weakness of the will" or Augustinian "original sin" or Calvinist "total depravity" is inherently present in human being. Human being is good, but there is also a flaw in us.
• United States
26 Jan 09
I agree. I think that humans will always find a reason to sin. For instance, just because wealth and material are abundant, that doesn't make one any less angry when their husband / wife leaves them or cheats on them. In that sense - human relationships - murder is inevitable, no matter what our material status is.
• India
27 Jan 09
He is talking of utopia, which unfortunately, is stuff of myth and speculation. However, I don’t think a state of complete material abundance will bring heaven on earth. What is missing completely from this speculation is the condition of people’ attitude towards each other and towards their own self. Theoretically and economically, a world of haves (with no have-nots) may be egalitarian enough…but it will be morally and intellectually defunct and fragile. It will be God’s aquarium with us going round and round in the same fish-bowl. The very moment we start questing this very comfortable existence, the bubble will break. The book takes the basic idea of communism to a glamorous level and we all know how communism has failed in its objectives.
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• Philippines
26 Jan 09
^_^ Howdy!.... murderistic!.... Must have not only the abundance of materialism but also must have the true value of having the richness of wisdom. ^_^ Enjoy!....
• United States
26 Jan 09
Great point. And while the abundance of materialism may be an achievable goal, the uniformity of mind is not.
• United States
26 Jan 09
Although it sounds logical and reasonable, I believe the theory is flawed. While it is agreed that envy, greed and a want for resources and opportunity causes most murders and wars, I believe that there is a more basic need that is the 'root cause' in play. As humans we have a need to be controlling, be it ourselves, our environment, our children, our spouses, our family or our communities. We have a desire to be the one in control of the group, to be the 'alpha male'. Even in a world of complete material abundance, there would still be conflicts over who would 'control' the material abundance. As mentioned in a response above, there would also be the question of people wanting more vs the uniformity of everyone having the exact same things (food, shelter, and other materialistic items). Some would work hard for the items, some would work less harder, and others would expect to be given what they wanted without doing any work. Such descrepancies in 'fairness' would lead to conflict (wars and murders). A world of material abundance would be nice, although the big question that comes into play is: "How hard do you have to work to earn the materials?"
• United States
26 Jan 09
Great response. I think that we can find that is true just by looking at the rich of the world. Being rich and abundant in materials does not make one any friendlier, competition rises among the rich, each wants to have the nicest things and the best looking house and be the prettiest and just strive for perfection. Unless we all reach perfection and equal status there will always be those who seek power.
• United States
26 Jan 09
Material abundance would solve nothing. Too many people want more no matter how much they have. There would always be people with more, so even if they all had enough people would still decide it was unfair because someone else had more. Unless it was designed with complete uniformity it would still be unfair to someone, in their opinion. Complete uniformity would be unfair too. People it seems are always determined to fight about something. As much of an optimist as I like to try to be I am afraid I would have to say that in general people will always hate each other for some reason.
• United States
26 Jan 09
I think ultimately you are right. Even among the equally rich there is competition with one another - being rich is not enough. Humans will always long for more.