Local company makes 1.8 billion in profit yet laying off 50 workers

@ronnyb (6113)
Jamaica
January 29, 2009 11:08am CST
I cant help but wonder if many of these companies are just using recession as an excuse to lay off workers even though the fundamentals dont support the alying off of workers .Imagine in the past nine months this company made 1.8 billion dollars and yet they are saying that they are thinking of cutting off the non performing units. I am no financial wizard but something about this statement doesn’t ring true to me ,how many non performing units could they have had during such a successful period. I wonder if many of these companies have any kind of social conscience for the welfare of their workers.What do your think about this situation ?
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@faith210 (11224)
• Philippines
29 Jan 09
Hi ronnyb! I do think that if they made 1.8 billion in profit and still will lay off 50 workers, then I don't think that it is justifiable. I am no expert on this but I do think that companies are just trying to save more by reducing labor cost and therefore more profit for them. They will impressed on their workers that it is better to do some laying off and let the remaining workers just absorb the workload of the laid off workers. Reduced labor cost means additional profit for the company. Just a thought! take care and have a great day! lovelots..faith
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@faith210 (11224)
• Philippines
3 Feb 09
Hi ronnyb! I really wish it ain't true but that is really my assessment. I find it to be really sad. Thanks for the nice words. take care and have a great day! lovelots..faith
@ronnyb (6113)
• Jamaica
1 Feb 09
Good point faith,I didn even think of that .The fact that they will burden the remaining workeres just to lay off others show that they really need these workers in the first place..Your principle is correct as far as I can see ,reduced labor cost means more profit and that is all they are concerned about
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@kprofgames (3091)
• United States
29 Jan 09
There are a lot of lay offs happening in our area right now. Some companies even shutting down their 2nd and 3rd shifts saying they are preparing for a drought in the market. In all reality, when you look at cost of goods sold and libility expensese for companies, payroll and the taxes that apply to it is a companies biggest expense. So yeah, when they're cutting emoployees down, they'er putting money back into the company which goes back to the share holders and bonuses for officers. Sad part of big business, they think the workers are expendable.
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@ronnyb (6113)
• Jamaica
1 Feb 09
I know that payroll is possibly their largest liability but I am not sure that many of these companies arent using the recession as an excuse to cut staff without thinking about other measures of cutting waste like their fat bonuses.If they decided to cut these first and then workers pay and jobs then I would understand .And you might be surprised at how much these bonuses come to ,you may be able to hire back twenty workers for the ten jobs they are cutting .Another thing too is that the severance pay for some of these workers might be more than it takes to keep them on for another year at which point this recession may be over anyway. Just hoping to see as I said in my discussion,greater social consceience in their approach to thes matters
@ANTIQUELADY (36440)
• United States
30 Jan 09
i don't think big companies give a hoot about their workers. they are just after that dollar. look how they treat people who are getting ready to retire, cut then off bsfore they can draw their pensions or whatever, i think u are juat a number w/ them & they keep their earser around to get rid of you any way they can. u don't have any perks when u are self-employed but u don't have to put up w/a big companies bull either.
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@ANTIQUELADY (36440)
• United States
31 Jan 09
it's a dirty thing that they shouldn't be allowed to do. diry dogs!
@ronnyb (6113)
• Jamaica
31 Jan 09
Yes Antique ,I think I a gree with you.All the things you mentioned are things they do to try and cheat you,I think they always try to cheat you from any benefits.
• Turkey
30 Jan 09
yes yes yes yes
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@baileycows (3665)
• United States
29 Jan 09
WOW! What company is this? We should ban their products. But I am sure I have an idea of what it is. They don't want to cut into the big bosses profits so they have to lay off the little man. During the recession things are going to get greedy and those on top are going to take all they can get.
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@ronnyb (6113)
• Jamaica
1 Feb 09
Oh its a company on the island of Jamaica called Jamaica Money Market Brokers but you have reaised a good point we should ban their products.Like I said I am no economist but if they had first sadi they were cutting the perks of thier managers and even their wages and then they said they still had to cut satff,I would understand but it seems that for evryone the "cure all" for this recession is to cut staff.Thank you for your answer.
@LadyMarissa (12148)
• United States
29 Jan 09
If they lay off enough people, next year their profit will be $2.8 billion. The word greedy comes to mind immediately!!!
@ronnyb (6113)
• Jamaica
1 Feb 09
Yep came to my mind too.
@lampar (7584)
• United States
2 Feb 09
Making profit in the past not necessary mean it will continue doing so in the future. If management project lousy economy ahead, and lack luster demand, they probably will cut work forces into minimum size to maintain certain profit margin or numbers in their operation, it is one of the method big corporation used to lower total costs of doing business.
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@lampar (7584)
• United States
7 Feb 09
The practice of big corporation in laying off workers is quite common during recession, majority of CEO in big corporation hardly care about humanity like you mentioned, they are in business for huge profit for themselves and shareholder in most instances, not doing charity and care about ordinary workers. Unfortunately, It is the way big businesses in our world today operate and get rid of liability from their balance sheet whenever possible.
@ronnyb (6113)
• Jamaica
3 Feb 09
I understand what you are saying ,I suppose form an economics point of view that makes perfect business sense and I wouldnt debate that as I am no economist but I would love to see them exhibitting a greater social conscience.i am hoping for the sake of the workers that this philosophy is posible because as someone else says if we destroy humanity then who will be left to buy thier products if and when this blows over .
@tammytwo (4298)
• United States
29 Jan 09
These companies seem to be forgetting who made them that $1.8 billion. There is no reward for being dedicated to a business these days. You can do your job to the best of your ability and even kiss a little butt every now and then but there is still no guarantee you will have a job come tomorrow. This is crazy and I believe companies are using the recession as an excuse to unload workers they feel they don't need. Geez, why have 10 workers doing a job when you can have 8 workers do the same thing, just working a little longer and a little harder for the same pay? [em]thumbdown[/em ]I believe this is the attitude most companies have now. Who cares about the working man and woman?
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@ronnyb (6113)
• Jamaica
1 Feb 09
Very good points,without the worker they couldnt have made that money.They impress upon you the need to be loyal but rarely do the reciprocate.I totally agree with you about them having no concern for the worker who they axe and the ones who are left.
@brew2x (3094)
• Philippines
30 Jan 09
I think some does use the crisis as an excuse even if they are not affected. I feel sorry for the workers that put a lot of hard work and loyalty to the company that do not care for them back.
@suzzy3 (8342)
30 Jan 09
It does make you wonder what is going on,they are laying non performing units off,did they pay these people just to sit and do nothing before,it is an excuse as far as i am concerned getting less people to do more work and make even bigger profits.We heard on the news tonight that Wall Street rewarded themselve with bonus's worth about four billion pounds ,what on earth is going on there,the government has just bailed them out and yet they still live in another world or selfishness and greed.Words fail me the financial institutions caused this terrible recession and they are still taking money from the health service,food out of the mouths of hungry people and they congratulate each other.I don't wish those selfish persons well.I am having to stop with this discussion before I type something that will get me banned for life.xxx
@ronnyb (6113)
• Jamaica
1 Feb 09
Good point ,what were they doing before .I agree with you though that they are just cocerned about overworking the workers who are there.The bonus is the most ticklish issue for me when it comes to comapnies laying off people who will loose their earnings that will be used to take care of thier families and here there are taking bonses that are often the equivalent of ten workers pay.You have accurately made the point that these persons are greedy and selfish. Thanks for your answer
• India
30 Jan 09
well many companies are facing recession in this time as they do not get funds, now local companies too get projects from some big companies and when they are not in position in providing projects to local companies then it becomes difficult for them also to pay salaries so they lay off jobs and in this way even they can lay of some workers who are not working. well 2009 situation is much more worst then 2008 hope this recession gets over soon and we come back to normal positions
@ronnyb (6113)
• Jamaica
3 Feb 09
I get your point about the dynamics between local and larger companies.I also understand that if larger companies are having a hard time then these smaller companies will aslo have a hadr time.However I think that some of these companies are not operating with a social conscience .Good point though that you have raised
@snowcat46 (2322)
• United States
30 Jan 09
I was wondering the same thing, myself. I think they are making themselves very unpopular as well. I know I won't be buying from them anymore. I'll find another way to do the same things. It's irresponsible and cruel. No, they don't have any social conscience. Nor any conscience at all. I'm beginning to think they're in a similar category as Mr. Blagojevich. (Long may he suffer!!)
29 Jan 09
I think its just an excuse to just make more money or the media is brainwashing employer and making them think they are going to lose money unless the fire new people.
@ronnyb (6113)
• Jamaica
1 Feb 09
I think both these answers could be correct .I do know that the media is making sure everyone knows about the recession and highlighting all the companies that are laying off.I think they should also concentrate on companies that are holding strain and cutting perks first and other excesses.I think that sometimes with this kind of coverage maybe they are helping these companies come to the conclusion that the only way forward is to cut staff
• United States
1 Feb 09
Hi ronnyb, It's possible that the company has departments that aren't performing due to the changes of the economy. Hopefully, those that lose their positions will get another in the company. However, I really believe that companies don't care about the employees, but the all mighty buck, and their bottom line. It's a dog eat dog world, and when push comes to shove, we the little working bee will be pushed right out of the picture so that the owners/managers or powers that be of these companies can continue to survive.
@ronnyb (6113)
• Jamaica
1 Feb 09
You are right ,the unit could be non performing ,I am just curious as to wehether this may just be an excuse or an overeaction to the situation.I hope they have followed due process before arriving at this decision ius all I am hoping for.Thank you for your insight
@anjel016 (329)
• Philippines
30 Jan 09
Actually, just an hour ago, I had this discussion along with my sister. We've got the same opinion. I think some companies are just using this economical crisis as an issue for lessening their expenses and gain more for themselves. Well, keeping pioneer workers are more costly rather than getting new workers. Pioneer workers have financial benefits that they may get from the company. Like for example the retirement pay. The longer an employee works in the company, the more they will pay for their retirement fee. These businessmen are more worried for their income rather than the welfare of their employees.
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@ronnyb (6113)
• Jamaica
1 Feb 09
We agree on the fact that pioneer workers are more expensive than new ones as they have amassed a significant severance package.However I am wondering if it wouldnt mean a signifant payout and hence less cash on hand if they cut these people now and maybe if they kept them a while longer the economic conditions could change and these very workers could have helped to make enough revenue to pay off these own severance packages and even make a profit .But then I am no economist and that could be more expensive in the end
@jenrl17 (420)
• United States
29 Jan 09
Ive been listening to CNN a lot lately and they say, with all the newest layoffs happening in the last week, that companies are seemingly panicing about the recession and may be unnecessarily cutting jobs/costs when they dont need to. I do have a feeling that this company you mention is using the recession as an excuse to fill their pockets by cutting jobs. Yeah, thats a solution. Increase the unemployment rate even more, making the economy that much worse just to suit your needs. The heck with everyone else. Its all about you, right? Instead of sharing the wealth and perhaps help the economy, cut jobs. Great idea! Maybe they should run for political office.
• India
30 Jan 09
I hope the whole world runs after money so the company is eager to make much profit next year so it may take off the workers. Many say that there is economic scarcity around the world but i feel that many companies are upto the mark and performing well.