What Were They Thinking?

Thailand
February 19, 2009 2:18am CST
When the Hebrews of old rewrote and revised the Babylonian creation myth why did they invert it? In the Babylonian story the world gradually improved after creation while the Hebrew story has it going down hill. In the Babylonian story the snake was a good guy while the Hebrew story paints him as evil. What is going on here. Why does the Bible have such a distopian view of the world and our species?
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@1hopefulman (46021)
• Canada
19 Feb 09
The truth is, Moses who wrote the book of Genesis, got the facts from God Himself, and so wrote an accurate scientific account of creation. The snake was only a snake, controlled like a puppet by an evil and selfish spirit creature called Satan the Devil. His ideas and influence have not benefited mankind one iota. Things have gone from bad to worse and they are not getting any better. If God would not intervene in the near future, it would be goodbye human race (nuclear weapons, pollution, global warming, destruction of the ozone layer, supermicrobes, ect).
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• Thailand
20 Feb 09
The truth is that we don't even know if there was a person called Moses. To say that he, "got the facts from God Himself, and so wrote an accurate scientific account of creation," requires a huge leap of faith that flies in the face of all that is known about the physical universe. The creation story in the Bible is. demonstrably and without question, a rewrite of older creation stories. It is a tale told to teach what was viewed as a moral lesson and is in no way scientific. Is the world getting better? I was born during the second world war. Has the world improved since then? Yes, without question.
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@gjabaigar (2200)
• Philippines
20 Feb 09
^_^ Howdy!.... 1Hopefulman and Chiang_Mai_boy!.... If there is no Moses there should be no Israel today. The Jews may be still enslaved by the Egyptians. Bible is not a history book. The Bible is for the soul's spiritual enlightenment, a book of the great wisdom and righteousness of God. To have a higher awareness and higher consciousness of being as CHRIST in spirit and oneness with God. The Bible may or may not accurate or be a pleasure for science, but it is accurate for the soul's spiritual enlightenment. Or the path of soul's spiritual intellectual evolution as being with the likeness of the Almighty God. And not stuck or fixed forever only within the boundaries of the intellectual evolution of lower awareness and lower consciousness of the lower species like being an ape, lion, eagle, a snake or even a single cell bacteria. Actually what we have known the Book of Moses are not actually made by Moses like Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy. This are passed by generations to generations traditions and witnesses. And mostly out of bound in our history books. Can you imagine the gap of years or time line from Moses to King David to Jesus Christ its more than a two or three thousand years. And the Books on Moses are more than thousand of years before his birth. So the human history if we dig up so deep it is so very deep and more deep than the deepest sea there are still have to dig deeper. Earth age is more than billion years old and we only known history for us humans are only 5 to 10 thousand of years only. So still, we still have to know what was really happened on more than thousand of years of human HIStory. Before the Babylonians and Egyptians, how about Plato's Atlantis or the Lemuria civilization philosophies and theories is it real or myth or plausible? How about the Aztec, Mayan and other South American Culture and Civilizations. And others like the cultures and civilizations of Java, Malays, Indians, Chinese and so on.... ^_^ God bless us all!.... Peace!.... Thanks!.... and Enjoy!.... myLot!....
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@1hopefulman (46021)
• Canada
24 Feb 09
Chiang_Mai_boy, so now even Moses' existence is doubted? So if Moses did not exist, then who has ever existed? What evidence do you have to doubt Moses' existence? Just because we can't see something, does not mean it does not exist. That's why man keeps on inventing instruments like the microscope and the telescope. We are constantly learning. We haven't reached the summit of learning by far. True, who wants to live with world war raging? But, the absence of war is not all there is to improvement. Technological progress has not solved many age old problems. We are in the middle of a horrible economic situation that is shaking the world. Many people die each day from disease, hunger, crime, ect. We have a long way to go to a safe happy world.
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@bhanusb (5709)
• India
19 Feb 09
In Bible many stories of Babylonian creation were distorted.It's because of hatred.They intentionally did this.
• Philippines
20 Feb 09
Maybe its not distorted but just a different story. The Bible also teaches about love so I would not say its about hatred.
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20 Feb 09
It was not out of hatred
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@urbandekay (18308)
26 Feb 09
"In Bible many stories of Babylonian creation were distorted.It's because of hatred." So you say, but where is the evidence? all the best urban
20 Feb 09
The Babylonian/Sumerian Creation story was changed for several reasons, the gods of the Babylonian/Sumerians were changed to 'men' the patriarchs to allow for a new monotheistic view point. And the serpent was changed to a bad guy because even in the Sumerian story the serpent stole the plant of immortality from Gilgamesh as he slept. The serpent in middle eastern myths was always a bad character, because man lost the secret of immortality because of the Serpents "wisdom", how ever in the far east the serpent was a good character because of the wisdom it gave, And far eastern myths use the wisdom of the serpent to assend to higher plains to reach immortality. If you look at the mid eastern mysticism, especially that of kabbalah, you will see the hidden mysteries of wisdom. The snake on the tree of life is actually the same metaphor of the far eastern chakras and the serpent. But the Hebrews saw man as always thinking evil, and always looking out after self interest, not the interest of mankind, and forbade the knowledge to all, least they use the knowledge for evil purposes.
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• Thailand
20 Feb 09
Good to see you back on form. I was afraid for a little while that the trolls had you reduced to one liners.
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20 Feb 09
No I'm back, I don't care what they do, they can try there best.
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• Philippines
19 Feb 09
You yourself called the Babylonian creation as myth. Look around you, has the world improved for the better morally? About the snake, would you say that it would be a good house pet? What are snake in reality? Would you allow your child to play with it? Or would consider it a dangerous animal?
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• Thailand
19 Feb 09
The Babylonian creation myth is the story which provides the basis for the Judao-Christian creation myth. If the Babylonian story is a myth than the story that is based on it is also a myth. Has the world improved morally in my lifetime? The answer is a resounding yes. Snakes are one of natures better predators. Would they make a good house pet? some would but they are a creature of the wild. When my daughter was a young girl we had a Burmese Python for a pet and I did let her play with it. Treated with respect I do not consider snakes to be dangerous animals.
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• Philippines
19 Feb 09
I don't think I could agree with you on what you have just said. I don't see the world getting morally better. They may have gotten better on your part of the world but definitely not everywhere in the world. About the snake, again you have agreed that it is natures better predators. And you are just a few among many who would let their children play with it. Surely the majority would not. My grandfather used to have a python as his pet. But there was an incident with the python that threaten his children. From that day on he no longer kept that python.
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• India
21 Feb 09
Are you a Muslim? Btw, which Babylonian myth are talking about?
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• Thailand
21 Feb 09
What possible baring on this discussion does the question as to whether I am a Muslim have? Since it is not relevant to what is being discussed it is none of your business. The Babylonian myth I am talking about is the Enuma Elish which has the most similarities with the Genesis story.
• India
21 Feb 09
It does have bearing on the discussion because I want to know who I am talking to.
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• Thailand
21 Feb 09
My religious affiliation does not define who I am any more than my skin color or my preference for tea or coffee. I am a complex mixture of many things. Many influences and experiences have shaped me. If you want to know who you are talking to you will have to settle for the fact that I am a member of the human species, no more, no less.
@urbandekay (18308)
26 Feb 09
"When the Hebrews of old rewrote and revised the Babylonian creation myth..." Were is the evidence for this claim? all the best urban
• Thailand
26 Feb 09
urban there is more than enough historical evidence to support my claim. If you feel that I am incorrect than prove your point with evidence.
@urbandekay (18308)
26 Feb 09
It is one thing to claim there is sufficient evidence it is another to produce it and expose it to critical examination. Since it is an unsupported claim that you are making it is up to you to produce the evidence not me all the best urban
• Thailand
27 Feb 09
http://www.religioustolerance.org/com_geba.htm
@Frederick42 (2019)
• Canada
19 Feb 09
They inverted the story for reasons best known to them. The Bible has a distopian view of the world because that is one way to dominate the masses, keep them in control. The Bible is a book not worthy to be discussed. It is high time man came to know about the reality and wake up and read better books.
• Philippines
19 Feb 09
I would disagree with you that the Bible as not worthy to be discussed. Archeology has proven that the Bible account to be accurate. Archeology has proven that the Bible to be true in its account of ancient cities. Archeological expedition have base their excavation on the Bible a lot more than any ancient books. Ancient book failed in comparison to the Bible.
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• Thailand
20 Feb 09
biznizman01 I must agree with you when you say that the Bible is worthy of discussion. If you had stopped there your statement would have been valid because if you wish to understand western culture an understanding of the Bible is invaluable. You jump the track when you state that Archeology has verified biblical accounts. The Bible has proven to be a poor source of historical records with almost nothing recorded in it verified. So far the witting of the ancient Greeks have proven to be a much better record of the past. There is a field of Archeology called Biblical Archeology that is attempting to prove the Bible accurate but it is widely regarded as a pseudoscience because of how it approaches it's work. People in this field want the Bible to be true that they are willing to take a few scant facts and try to bend them to try to make them fit the Bible. This is intrinsically bad science.
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@urbandekay (18308)
26 Feb 09
Whilst it is true that archaeology motivated by a desire to vindicate the bible is hokum yet there is some good archaeology that has supported biblical facts. For example, Daniel says the last ruler in Babylon before it fell to the Persians was named Belshazzar. (Daniel 5:1-30) Since at that time no mention of Belshazzar had been found outside the Bible, the charge was made that the Bible was wrong and Belshazzar never existed. But in 1853, archaeologists discovered small clay cylinders at Ur in southern Iraq inscribed with accounts of the rebuilding of Ur’s ziggurat by King Nabonidus. The inscriptions concluded with prayers for Nabonidus’ health—and for his eldest son and co-regent, Belshazzar. (Bible and Archaeology, Frederic Kenyon) all the best urban
@Adoniah (7515)
• United States
19 Feb 09
The story of the Garden of Eden was really about knowledge and how critical it was, is, and will be. "Adam and Eve" were not to eat of the fruit of the "Tree of Knowledge" right? The snake was a sly creature that told them that G'd did not want them to have as much Knowledge as He did and that is why He did not want them to eat the fruit right? They did gain instant Knowledge when they ate the fruit too. They knew they were in trouble, that they were naked, and that they better hide from the wrath of G'd! G'd is KNOWLEDGE!!! He wants us to accumulate knowledge ourselves and improve our lot, and treat His world and universe with respect! He wants us to invent things and medicine to help ourselves and each other. The world has improved in some ways, but it has degraded horribly in others. There is insidious greed in the most recent generations and there is an "I" syndrome that is destroying us. No one will take the blame for anything that they do wrong. That will have to end before we can say that the world has truly improved. Shalom~Adoniah