A conversation this country MUST have

@xfahctor (14126)
Lancaster, New Hampshire
March 6, 2009 6:04pm CST
Here I go again, wasting my breath (or rather fingertip skin) starting another discussion I know will be largely ignored or burried by triviality. So why do i keep doing it? Because it is so very important and relevent to the survival of the United States of America. It is a conversation we must have and goes to the very roots of every problem we have as a nation today economicly, politicly and socialy and I will continue to harp on it with even my last dieing breath if nessesary. If you happen to be a responder in this discussion, i must insist you hang the little party letter you wear on the hooks I have provided for you by the door, they are not needed in here nor will they be welcomed. They are irrelevent and a dangerous tool used by the powers that be to keep us devided and fighting what we believe are two seperate enemies, those enemies being either a democrat or a republican, depending on which little letter you wear on the lapel of you jacket. I think it is first important for everyone in this country begin again to understand the apropriate role of the federal government and how the constitution defines it. It is a limited function and very specificly defined, one need look no further than the constitution, it is everywhere and easily accessable, was written at roughly an 8th grade level so it is not a complex document to read. It is more than just a quaint relic asigned to sit at the smithsonian, [/i] it is a standing contract. [/i] The states existed long before the United States did, long before the federal government did. We decided that it would be usefull to create an agent to carry out our mutual business and our affaris abroad. So the states created the federal government by the constitution and thusly, creating the United States of America. Not the "united states", thats a sham corporation that the federal government created itself, but that's a whole other story. But, in doing this, the founders already knew full well the dangers of having a central government, much like any government would be in danger of corruption and power addiction that could so easily engulf it. So, they drafted the contract that created it -the constitution, very carefully. They drafted it in such a way that it had many safe guards, specific limits, specific duties, and specificly guaranteed the inherent rights we as people have. So what we see so far, is that the federal government did not create the states, the states created the federal government, as it's agent, subserviant to them, answerable to them and bound by firm law to a limited role under the terms of this contract. It is not a regulating body un to itself that is to dictate from the top down, it has no authority to do so other than what is outlined in that contract, no authority that we, the states didn't give it. The federal government derives it's authority ONLY from us the people and states and is not an entity un to it's own. This was done not only to prevent corruption and tyrany, but to keep it from becomming ineffective. With a simple list of limited duties and reponsabilities, it could operate effectively, efficiantly and under a very reasonable cost with out undue burden on our wallets or our freedoms. Somewhere along the way, we began to look to them for more and more soulutions to the problems we had. Rather than rely on our states or try and effect change on our state governments or demand better governence from our states and towns, we began to see the federal government as an overseeing authority over the states, we essentialy created a grandma to run to when mom and dad didn't give us what we wanted instead of trying better to persuade mom and dad. so as years went on, our agent had a heavier and heavier work load and along with that work load, the people running that agency began to see oportunity. Here is where it began to get dangerous. As the work load increased, so did the cost increase and the effectiveness began to decrease, but what DID begin to gorw out of this was the authority it felt it had, and we, the people, were only too happy to feed that delusion as long as we had grandma to run to and take care of things for us. So the perception of an all powerfull overseeing authoritarian federal government grew and with it, the power grabs. So here we are today, with an education system ran by this agent that "educates" our children in that philosophy, regulates our states activities, and continues to use misconceptions and fear to push ever more regulations and losses of freedoms in the name of "saving us from terrorism" or from "economic crisis". A system ran by two little letters we have arbitrariliy assigned to the people who work for this agency, both of which continue to push the same broad agenda of growing this agent and it's illusion of authority. Nearly every problem we have today, can be traced back to not sticking by the constitution, can be traced to the fact that we allowed our servant to become our master. Once this happens, it can become ireversable, after all, if you were a servant and suddenly found yourself as a master with servants under you, would you go back to being a mere servant? Would you give up that authority? So now we are faced with a problem. What do to about it? How do we convince the servant it must remain a servant and that it was never our master? how do we enforce the terms of the contract that created this agent? Some might say the only solution is a violent overthrow or uprising but this is of course very undesirable. So the next best thing is that our states must begin to demand complience from our agent to the terms of that contract, Like we would any other contracted agent in todays society. The state soviergnty resolutions being considered in many states now seek to do exactly that, to essentially draw a line in the sand. Enough states must pass this to make it a loud clear voice that cannot be ignored. Enough states must stand up and realize that they are the ones in charge over the federal government and begin to excersize that authority. After all, who are the people who run our agent? They are people from our states, chosen by other people from our states, they are only there at our pleasure and though working in this agency, are under the direct authority of the states they reside in. Once enough states have stood up to give our agent this strong clear messege, what next? We can hope it comes to it's senses and begins oporating under the terms of it's contract. But what happens if it does not? what happens if we are ignored and scoffed? As distastfull as it may sound, we fire this agent and offer the contract to a new one. The states recall their respective congressional persons, take over federal offices with in each state, begin exersizing control over federal law enforcment agenies in each state through state police and county sherrif officials. The executive branch is disolved and the judiciary branch becomes answerable to the only national law, the contitution. We then convene a convention inviting anyone who wishes to join the new union under the constitution and create a new agent for our common interests. Now obviously there is much more to it but to outline every detail and all the issues involved is far beyond the scope of thsi forum or discussion. but the outline would already be there for a new union, we would be able to bypass the stage our founders had to deal with of drafting a contract. If this sounds drastic or unthinkable it might well be, but considering the direction this country is taking, we must beign to think about the unthinkable. We must think ahead. This is a conversation we must have, to ignore the problems is only to further it, it is not going to go away. It is increasingly obvious that normal channels of regress, elections, complaining calls letters and emails, ralleys and protests are not working. They are simply NOT working. So we must begin to send a far more ominous message, a clear, booming thunderous message, we must hold this message to the head of this agent like a weapon and further more we must demonstrate our resolve to use that weapon. We must educate our children in these matters, we must educate our frineds, family strangers of the way things were intended and what we risk losing if we ignore the problem. and we must demonstrate a clear booming resolve to do what ever we have to to save this nation, this glorious union, this "United States of America", this creation our founders entrusted us with to guard, protect and perpetuate. We have failed in that duty and if you believe our ancestors can look down on us, those particular ancestors are looking on us with nothing but shame and detest for the disrespect we show them by allowing this creatation to become what it has, by willingly to have handed freedoms over, to have taken that contract, that sacred document and reduced it to a pretty museum piece to be gawked at. I beg you all, have this conversation. Do not permit what our ancestors died for to pass in to being a mention in history. Do not leave us having to explain to our grandchildren why they can't live in the same country that was created for them. *****steps quietly off soap box and walks away slowly, head hung.
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• United States
7 Mar 09
"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect every one who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined." - Patrick Henry A time will come when we will be forced to take up arms to preserve our liberty. I hope there are enough of us left willing to do so.
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@xfahctor (14126)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
7 Mar 09
I hope and pray that force will not be nessesary. I hope and pray that the will of the people can be enforced by strong voice and action. I hope and pray that the powers that shouldn't be powers listen and comply and if they don't, I hope and pray they will step down when told, that is the point at which things could get ugly.
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@stacyv81 (5904)
• United States
10 Mar 09
I believe this quote was speaking of the 2nd amendment right, (i think), but it says a lot anyway, thought I'd share! =)
@xfahctor (14126)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
11 Mar 09
hey stac, sorry, didn't see your comment until now. I don't know what Jefferson was speaking specificly about, but it alluded to the general account that freedom must be preserved even under the most drastic of circumstances and methods. I guess what I was more refering to was, though not nessesarily normal courses of redress, because obviously those have completly broken down and do not work any more, but something short of all out war. I am honestly trying to steer the conversation in this country away from that because such a thing is indeed not something we want to see happen. I am hoping this is something the staes can handle at tle legislative level and if nessesary, just simply peacably take back controll of the nation from the general government and for a new union instead. But I guess we must keep also in the backs of our minds that this in itself may not go too well or peacefully.. A body that greedy and drunk on power will in all likely hood not give it up so easily. the best thing states can start doing is preparing their own defenses, several already have, know maine has a standing state guard and now New Hampshire has a bill in our house to do the same. the problem is, at the state level now, there is an increased mentality of nationalist ideology and many state legislators in many states are now under the influence of national organizations and groups, even volunteer citizen legislatures like my state's. We must all begin to pay a LOT more attention to our state governments and electing people who are liberty minded and have the people of their own state as their first and only priority and who won't give in to the economic blackmail and bribery techniques the federal government uses against the states to influence them. there is also a campaign that has been taken place here I was only partialy aware of. The freestate movement. I guess a group, known as the "freestaters" has been slowly moving here and has decided that this is the state where the first/last stand will be made. People have been moving here gradually and taking part in the legislaitve process, campaigning for libertarian causes, electing liberty minded people to office and getting more and more like minded people to move up here and increse the voter base of such like minded people.
• United States
7 Mar 09
When I took a government class ages ago, and I mean AGES ago I was labeled an elitist because of my support of the founding father's view that only intelligent people should hold power. Because of my belief that I shouldn't have to pay taxes so Jezebelle down the street can sit at home and raise family on food stamps, medicaid, and so forth. I suppose in my age I've come to realize just how complex running a nation is. Just how complicated lives really are. I still support that only intelligent people need to be running the country or even the states. I personally don't want to have to desconstruct my language, or the language of the Constitution to those who can't read at an 8th grade level, unless they are children. I'm not for backwoods campaigns, or the like. Though, I am for the freedom this country affords us. As a teacher I won't sit back and allow others to place the entire blame on us. (Though, I realize you've not but many have). I also will not sit here and blame the entire federal government for the problem. The problem has become so bad in America because of Americans who were too stupid to care or just plain didn't care about those freedoms they had, so they sold them away. I can recall being on a community team at the local state level trying to encourage people not to vote for the Patriot Act-yet what did people do? Vote for it. Then they complain that the federal government has more power. Well, it's not my fault people were too stupid to read through the lines or even try to understand the rhetoric the federal government was throwing at us. Yes, this may seem harsh, but it's high time Americans took responsibility for the mess they've created. Stop blaming one entity-the fault is the American people. -Leaves the public platform quietly-
@xfahctor (14126)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
7 Mar 09
Thank you for your well thought out response Anora. You are right and I guess it is a point I failed to make clearly enough here. We are in fact responsable, we gave them this power, we blindly gave them charge of our freedom. We helped create this beast. It is almost as if we have become too lazy or stupid or both to deserve the gift our founders gave us. Running a nation is in fact a very complex task, especialy one this large and active. But this is why we were established as we were, so that the power and responsability wasn't concentrated in the hands of so few, leaving them to try and handle everything. It is our mess and it is now up to us to fix it. We do indeed need to take responsability for it and do something about it. The problem has become so bad now though that it seems the channels we have been trying for ages are no longer working and people are STILL clinging to things like party ideology, regurgitating talking points the main stream news feeds to them and ignoring where the real problem is. Believe me, I don't want to have to toss the beast out, I really don't, I would love for them to just begin listening to the voices of those who are waking up to the broader picture and comply with the simple things that were asked of them and obey their master. Lets hope that is what happens. But if it doesn't, we must accept that we cannot continue with the way things are. I don't see this as a backwoods campaign, it is actually quite widespread, nearly 20 states have some form of a resolution in the pipeline demanding complience. This is because the people in those states are demanding it. It is a heroic effort. The support for it in my state was unprecidented and people went balistic when state reps who were too afraid of our servant turned master went against the will of this wide support, I have never seen such anger in our state house gallery and in conversations I had with people all over the state afterwords. No anora, this is far from a backwoods campaign it is a public mainstream movement. Just because you don't see something being discussed in main stream media outlets, doesn't mean it isn't happening or isn't widely supported publicly, make no mistake, this is being intentionaly ignored, why exactly I cannot say, but it is being blatenlty ignored. I'm not a conspiricy theorist, but i'm not a coincidence theorist either.
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• United States
7 Mar 09
Oh, I wasn't stating it was lol. I was just saying what I had to say. I suppose I get a bit upset over the entire Patriot Act issue, and how we've gone down hill since then. Sorry if it looked like I was brushing off your post. Namaste-Anora
@TLChimes (4838)
• United States
7 Mar 09
*hangs[/b] I [b] on hook and slides into a seat in the back* I read (heard) you.
@xfahctor (14126)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
7 Mar 09
lol, "I" isn't a party, but thank you anyway. good to hear some pepople are still interested in doing the right thing instead of the easy thing and are willing to see what should be obvious.
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@TLChimes (4838)
• United States
7 Mar 09
I had to hang something by the door and I sure don't claim either of the two parties I could have hung there. Though I guess I could have hung both.
@xfahctor (14126)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
7 Mar 09
"I sure don't claim either of the two parties I could have hung there" thats too good for either of them anyway.
@xParanoiax (6997)
• United States
9 Mar 09
I've touched on this subject before. Mainly back in 2007 due to Real ID...but there's so much more to it, now. I'm...not sure where to start. Originally, I just planned on peaceful subversion. Finding loopholes to it all, skirting the new fascist rules, and simply telling my story to anyone who'd listen and encourage them to make their own choices. But now...how does a person start a discussion with the people of this country to prepare for this? How do we plan? How do we even get our states to follow this plan? I'm certain that it's not impossible to do...but especially today, I'm at a loss.
@xfahctor (14126)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
10 Mar 09
Well, I think I did an ok start to this, by making the case that we at least have to have this conversation. By making the case that normal avenues of redress and grievence are not working. Many states are already at least having this conversation in their lgislatures, my state was only one out of 20 this year and we even took it a step further to plan ahead and began work on legislation thatwould raise a state military force for defense of our state should this.... how should I put it.....not go so happily. It looks more and more like this is how we have to take our nation back at the state and local level. Theres a town in maine that passed it's own version of a soviergnty act. Legislators in many states are at least trying to get the ball rolling. We have been attempting to attack the problem the wrong way, by going directly after the general government, when instead, the solution was there in front of us all along, to simply have those who created it, that being the states, exercise their authority over it and if nessesary, disolve it.
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• United States
10 Mar 09
*nods* You did so well, I think I may refer people to your discussion to start off my effort to get people dicussing this. Heh, I think I'm gonna get thoroughly tired of blogging once our times do settle down (if they do before I'm an old lady, that is) xD but it's the best way I can really get my voice out there...and others' voices who need to be heard more. You're exactly right. It has been staring us in the face...and it may feel unprecedented, but I think it matters now more than it ever has or will ever have.
@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
7 Mar 09
Hello X, If it's alright, I'm not going to check the "R" behind my name at the door, because I want to set it down in the chair right in front of this soap box auditorium -- so that it can hear every word I say with absolute clarity. You see, I hold my fellow "R"s up to an absolute standard of Constitutional adherence. It is when we start coloring outside of the lines that we begin to seek exceptions and exemptions. So, if that nice man in the front row will kindly set his hat in his lap, I'll set that "R" in a position where it cannot miss a single word of this entire discussion. As you well know X, I have no compunction about slamming my fellow "R"s with the same ferocity with which I would slam a "D" or an "L". The little letter simply designates a community within which to foster a commitment to our shared values. That some, regardless of party affiliation have fomented the selfish abandon of those principles is not the fault of the many who still cherish their foundational values. Add to that the prospect that permanently checking the little letter behind our names subjects us to either government or media facilitated primaries and elections. Either of which is a real nightmare vs. two armies comprised of predominantly volunteers who do their part because of personal convictions!!! Now to the heart of your reminder: I have long pondered this dyadic reality that we call these United States of America. And, I'm troubled that after 232 years we are still battling the same struggle of diametrically opposed ideologies. This same dyadic reality was the underlying instability behind the battle that is known as the Constitutional Convention. It is the same dyadic reality that ignited the Civil War. It is the same dyadic reality that pitted Hollywood against General McCarthy. It is the same dyadic that subjegated the U.S. Taxpayer to the "War on Poverty" (1960s), to the "Community Reinvestment Act" (1970s) and now to the realities of those current day Saul Alinsky devotees known as ACORN. In an overly simplified one sentence summary: Rome ultimately fell because the Romans failed to reconcile their dyadic governance tug-o-war. Will the USA fail because we refuse to open an honest discussion about alternatives to the constant extremes of the pendulum swings between left and right? Hmmmm ... I wonder???
@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
7 Mar 09
Oops, sorry! I forgot to surrender the soapbox and my time, Mr. Chairman.
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@xfahctor (14126)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
7 Mar 09
Well I meant surrender the letter for the purposes of this conversation, because it is a conversation that is universal and it seems todays versions of both those little letters are equally repsonsable as are we in our ginrance and lazyness, with the problems we face today. Oh, I slingshotted the hat off the guy in front of you so you can see too (didn't hurt him, just his hat and I picked it up for him too.) The resolutions being proposed in many places is as well, a universal thing that was supported by people of all letters, it is not about whipping a party in to shape it is about taking back our states and demanding that those two little letters just do what we ask them, keep your letters, just do what we ask you. There is room in the constitution for the base ideology of both parties, the problem occured because we allowed them both, along with their little letters, to go outside that line. I fear if we do not reign it in in a big way, we will see either the end of this nation as we knew it or a sudden violent uprising of the masses, which will tear this nation apart and cost a lot of lives and allies.
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