Confusion Over The Truth

@sconibear (8012)
United States
March 10, 2009 9:38am CST
someone gave me 3 books. Book 1 - The Bible Book 2 - Greek Mythology Book 3 - an up to date science book written by the smartest university trained scientists backing up their findings with the latest scientific equipment and techniques. book 1 tells me EVERYTHING was created in 6 days with a 1 day rest period for some unseen "supreme" being. (why does a supreme being need to rest???) book 2 tells me all was empty, silent, endless, darkness. Then somehow Love was born bringing a start of order. From Love came Light and Day. Once there was Light and Day, Gaea, the earth appeared. book 3 tells me that EVERYTHING started as a singularity or point and all matter and energy exploded out of this singularity with a "big bang" and has been expanding, cooling, and forming the universe for billions and billions of years now. book 1 tells me that life was just created.....man was made out of dirt. book 2 tells a similar story of man being made out of mud. book 3 tells me the conditions were just right and the chemical balance was just right for a single cell to develop which grew more complex and branched off into billions of different life forms over billions of years. they have fossil evidence, carbon dating, and other scientific data to back they're story. book 1 tells of bad people being turned into pillars of salt. book 2 tells of a bad being with hair made of snakes turning people into stone by just looking at them. book 3 tells of human cells going bad sometimes, causing cancers and other diseases, again backed by scientific research and hundreds of years of medical study. book 1 tells of a man/being WALKING on water. book 2 tells of a man/being living underwater and ruling the seas with his trident. book 3 tells of water tension and oxygen saturation and other scientific factors which make it IMPOSSIBLE to walk on water or live under it. book 1 NEVER talks about dinosaurs but talks about the dead coming back to life. (zombies???) book 2 NEVER talks about dinosaurs but talks about winged horses and one eyed creatures........when you die you get to ride on a ferryboat to the underworld. book 3 talks about dinosaurs and all kinds of other things that happened in the past.........they have physical evidence to back their claims.......when you die your body decomposes..........not sure what happens to your mind or energy......nobody has ever came back and told us. anyways, which one of these books is telling me the truth??? they all seem to contradict each other..........only book 3 can produce any actual physical evidence to back their stories. why is one book to be believed over another???
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19 responses
• India
10 Mar 09
namasthe sconibear, yes,at the todays point of view only book 3 makes sence but if u think wisdom and look all the three books u can see they all are same men are created from mud,single cell willnot develop from nothing,just think{i am not here to support anything} a man can ofcourse walk in water,anyone can,if u study "jala sthambana" a yoga pose, a man named sthalyabhaga from nepal lived underwated for a week too,is this a exception of physics? there are so many limitations to the modern physics too, the book 1 and book 2 are also physics book,but the ancient ones the modern physics starts from where they ended up. but i must say tht modern physics is ended up now where hinduism book starts the great bigbang theory is just a possibility and it is also stated in hinduism{the real science} i am sad tht noone gave u great books
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@sconibear (8012)
• United States
10 Mar 09
i'm a firm believer in PROOF. show me PROOF of somebody walking on water or living under water for a week with no aid and i will throw my 3 books away. by the way, we have a guy over here in the US named Chris Angel who can walk on water too, but he's an illusionist so he's not REALLY walking on water........it's a trick............i don't need to see any magic tricks......just real proof.
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@mathss1 (1181)
• United States
10 Mar 09
sconibear, Read the books of hinduism which talk about modern technology and much more then that Nuclear technology in hindu scriptures http://www.mylot.com/w/discussions/1918611.aspx 1 the darwanian theory of evoluton is false a bit of knowledge about newtons law of thermodynamics will reveal the truth 2 Your discussion is biased towards book 3 you should give all books equal preference God existed befire the creation of space and time before the concept of life came into existance there was god The Hindu scriptures speak volumes about science and describe the creation of the universe of to the minutest detail Yajurveda the first verse of creation speaks about bigbang it talks about a mass which seperated with a banging loud voice ...... We do not need to prove a miracle The existance of god itsself proves Miracles If God exists miracles are possible What proof do I have that god exists ? Evolution is false fulfilled prophecies in the bible and hindu scriptures Hope this is enough Have a gr8 time Njoy
@sconibear (8012)
• United States
10 Mar 09
you didn't prove anything math, you just told me i should read a "book 4" which i believe less than i believe book 1.
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• United States
10 Mar 09
All these stories and theories are different, that's true enough. But when we look closely, we find many similarities between them. That is because all of them are pointing at the truth from differant points of view. Consider a car accident: if 100 people witness the accident, you'll get 100 differant versions of what happened. There will even be some people who didn't see anything and, for all intents and purposes (all other considerations being equal), for these people it essentially didn't happen. If you've played the "telephone" game you can also understand easily how stories change as they pass from one person to another. Even if you take science to be the truth, we must keep in mind that most (if not all) scientific claims are fallible. Scientific theories by definition can never be proven 100% true; they can only be proven false. So, in one sense none of these stories is "true", but in another sense, there is a great deal of truth in all of these stories. As Obi Wan Kenobi told Luke Skywalker, "You will find that many of the truths we cling to depend largely on our point of view."
@sconibear (8012)
• United States
10 Mar 09
another excellent explanation.........and kudos for the Obi Wan reference. i'm still leaning towards book 3 though.
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• United States
11 Mar 09
This is a wonderful quote to sum it up. Point of view seems to be much of why the world disagrees with one another. Perhaps if we began to find those commonalities with one another, we'd do much better. It's almost the same type of mutual respect that Qui-Gong speaks about in The Phantom Menance, along with Obi Wan. The Gungans share a mutual symbiant relationship with the humans on Naboo, and to destroy one is to destroy the other. Namaste-Anora
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@HelloMickey (1656)
• Hong Kong
10 Mar 09
I believe in Book 3, it can explain most of the things in the universe, no one should deny it. I think Book 1 and Book 2 is about someone's religion, as I believe in other religions. So I choose Book 3, I majored in physics. Book 3 is the best answer for everything.
@sconibear (8012)
• United States
10 Mar 09
thanks HelloMickey......i'm with you.
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@1hopefulman (45633)
• Canada
10 Mar 09
John 8:31-32 (The Message) 31-32Then Jesus turned to the Jews who had claimed to believe in him. "If you stick with this, living out what I tell you, you are my disciples for sure. Then you will experience for yourselves the truth, and the truth will free you." You must find the truth yourself. Each of those books points you in a different direction. Follow the road and see where it takes you. See on each road the scenery and which road makes you happy. I like book #1! We don't know how long the different "days" were. The word is used to measuse a period of time. The "day" could be even thousands of years. We don't know! God rested not because He was tired but in the sense that he stopped physical creation and went to do something else. May you find your way!
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@sconibear (8012)
• United States
10 Mar 09
don't you kind of find it a paradox to convince somebody that doesn't believe book 1 is the truth by quoting verses from the book that they don't believe is true??? you could have quoted "It's A Dog's Life Charlie Brown" and it would have had the same effect.
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@1hopefulman (45633)
• Canada
13 Mar 09
sconibear, since you posted in the "religion" section, why would a post quoting the Bible be out of place? While some may not believe it to be a book of truth, others do. You are free to choose and so am I. The Bible book of Genesis was written some 5000 years ago. The Bible is still the number one best seller of all time. I think the record speaks for itself.
@1hopefulman (45633)
• Canada
13 Mar 09
islander7, the Bible is still the most prized book ever written. Time will tell as to whose view of God is the truth. Sorry I can't write anymore as my arthritis is acting up and it's time for my nap.
@eden32 (3975)
• United States
10 Mar 09
And perhaps someday there could be a fourth book, a fifth book; you left out other books & their stories so perhaps it's the one millionth book that shows that these all of these stories have some truth and some mistakes within them. Perhaps the Big Bang was an explosion caused by some supreme being and what we perceive as a week took a billion years for God? Perhaps the conditions that were just right for life on Earth to begin, was indeed lurking around in mud and started off evolution, but that evolution is part of a supreme being's plan. Perhaps dinosaurs aren't mentioned in the Bible because other biblical writers' work has been lost or perhaps because God judged dinosaurs to be a finished subject and didn't deem to include their story in the bible? Perhaps the spark within each of us that make us individuals is indeed immortal and some thing that's best described as a ferryboat ushers us to the next experience for our soul? Maybe many of the books we've grouped together and called the bible weren't intended to be so and only 5, 10, or 15% is Word of God and the rest were just curious bedtime stories. I don't see why people get bent out of shape when something conflicts with what they previously thought was true. When we encounter something we don't yet know, it's an opportunity to learn more. No matter how we came to be, I think it's pretty obvious we are designed for learning, exploring, growing etc. If something doesn't ring true for you discard it after considering it and when it seems right to you blend it to what you know already.
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@sconibear (8012)
• United States
10 Mar 09
yeah, that's what i'm doing.
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@sconibear (8012)
• United States
10 Mar 09
sorry......that was kind of a vague response which was referring to your last sentence. anyways, thank you for your response, it's made the most sense to me so far.
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@James72 (26829)
• Australia
10 Mar 09
In my opinion they don't really contradict one another at all. They are just different perceptions and accounts of the very same thing! The difference being that many of the scientific angles can be qualified tangibly. This is not to say that the scientific perspective is the accurate one, for even these processes had to begin from something! But I am of the belief that there is one God only, regardless of the story behind how God came to be and what led up to the way things are today; and no scientific evidence can defy this belief to a point of undisputed certainty! Just like the 3 examples for each instance you gave, repeated interpretations and viewpoints have ended up diluting things into multiple paths of understanding. It's just a shame that many people refuse to see things this way and would rather argue one viewpoint over another to the point of being destructive. Man oh man, what's with all this hardcore serious stuff today?? All my peeps are scarin' me! lol.
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@sconibear (8012)
• United States
10 Mar 09
ahhhhh........you know me James........i get bored and i gotta poke the hornet's nest every now and then just to see what'll happen. actually i've been twittling this discussion around in my head for the last couple of days now.
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• United States
10 Mar 09
Yet book 3 is nothing but mere theory nothing has been proven... even the most elite scientist have said they cannot prove only present a theory... no one knows the truth everyone has their beliefs to compare is only confusion, to lean on your own understanding is only going to cause others confusion. I for one believe in the bible only because things that were written and said was to come has come to past yet only if you were deep in my faith would you beable to understand.
@sconibear (8012)
• United States
10 Mar 09
at least book 3 can point out specifics and show some kind of ACTUAL physical proof. book 1 believers can only make empty statements like "just wait and someday you will see" and i've been deep in faith before and i still don't understand.
• United States
10 Mar 09
the fact still remains its theory how can yous say one thing is realer than the other if you can't prove its true thats contradiction. I choose to beleive in the bible because things that were written has come to past as it said it would... but like i said everyone has their own beleif thats why their are so many religions but to say the Big Bang Theory is more real than the bible to me is wrong.
@sconibear (8012)
• United States
10 Mar 09
science has PROVEN many things throughout history. without science we wouldn't have many things we take for granted now days. without science we wouldn't understand how the human body works. without science we wouldn't have combustion engines, space flight, elecricity, telescopes, microscopes, airplanes, telephones, eyeglasses and millions of other things. these are real inventions not theories. these were things that started out as a theory and were PROVEN to be very real and very workable. you wouldn't be responding to me right now if SCIENCE hadn't figured out how to make your computer........well, compute. the bible has never produced a grain of proof for anything it says. sure things it says have come to pass, depending on how it's translated. things in a first grader's history book have also come to pass, but i'm sure not going to base my life on it. people thought the Earth was flat too when the bible was written........we now know that's not true.
@karwan (232)
• United Arab Emirates
11 Mar 09
The only truth is that God is the first and the last. Believe in God. dont believe in man made book which changes from time to time.
@missybear (11392)
• United States
11 Mar 09
the bible has also changed many times. it's been re-written and re-translated so many times, who knows what it really said. it was also written by superstitious people who had no concept of how the REAL work actually worked. it's about as plausible as a Brother's Grimm fairy tale. it has no relevance in today's world......unless you want to believe in ANCIENT fabricated, superstitious fairy tales written by men who still couldn't even figure out the concept of running water and the fact that the Earth was round.
@sconibear (8012)
• United States
11 Mar 09
karwan, i actually wrote missybear's response. she's my girlfriend and i didn't realize she was still logged in.
@sconibear (8012)
• United States
11 Mar 09
how the REAL world actually worked, not REAL work.
• United States
10 Mar 09
Book 3 tells me that even though all science and human nature says there is a beginning and an end to everything, no science can ever explain where the material used for the Big Bang Came from. Book 3 also tell me that when something explodes is destroys not creates. Book 3 tells me that with conditions just right after a major catastophic explosion in the cosmos there was somehow though scientifically impossible, a single sell organism "Appeared" and somehow, though proved impossible, was able to form a more complex organism, and though proved impossible it happened just perfect with different species but this book never addresses plant life and how it is created. Book 3 says that they earth was a tropical paradise billions of years ago and that life flurished during this time. Stranger still is that Book 3 also tells me that the energy from the sun is produced by Nuclear Fusion Reactors in the Sun's core. Book 3 also states that Nuclear Fusion is caused by atoms comibining therefore make the engery source larger the longer it fuses. With that in mind book 3 tells me that since the Sun is powered by nuclear fusion that would mean going back in time the sun would have less energy yesterday than it does today. (Granted that amount is so minute noone would ever notice.) However, 1 billion years back in time the sun would have been so small that it would not be able to produce enough heat to warm the earth let alone allow the earth to have a tropical climate or be able for life to be formed. As a matter of fact Book 3 would tell me that in circumstance the earth would be a frozen planet. Book 3 tells me about these great beast that lived on the earth and are now fossilized and being discovered. It tells me that these creatures live long before man and that some worldwide catatrophy occured which killed them all off. At the same time Book 3 tell me that they have discovered the remains of a T-rex on tops of mountains (Where it is impossible for a T-rex to climb such structures) A full Wooly Mammoth was found encapsulated in ice with food still in it's stomach. And Book 3 tells me that there have been discovered Trex prints in a river bed on the same layer of sediment as where they have found human prints. (Perhaps a time traveller of some sorts) Whew! So let's see what Book 1 tells me. Book one tells me that there was a designer to all that we see. It states that this being was powerful enough to speak all matter into existance. It tells me that He then formed everything that lived including the plant life according to its kinds. Book 1 also says that when He created the earth there was water on the earth and water above the earth. In between the waters was what He called "Sky". We are not talking about clouds, we are talking about a canopy of water. So what happens when you put a bubble around the earth? It creates a terradome effect. In otherwords it would make it to where the entire earth could sustain not only life but tropical plant life world wide. Book 1 states that He created all these things approx 6000 years ago and judging by the sun and how the sun gets its energy, the sun would be plenty powerful enough to sustain life. Book 1 tell me this designer created all these things in 6 days and on the 6th day He created the only sentient creature that lives on earth...Man. He did not just speak man into existence he wanted this creation to be the pinacle of His creation so it says that he Formed man. and then breathed life into man's nostils. Book 1 then explains that man back then lived to be hundreds of years old. Book 3 says that in an environment with no contaminants and no radiation for the sun (remember these is a layer of water around the earth) living creature would indeed live longer. As a matter of fact the Number 1 cause of aging on our bodies is...drum roll please...radiation from the sun. So with a canopy of water above the earth that radiation would not be able to penetrate to the earth. So let's draw this out. If man lived longer because of the conditions on the earth it only makes sense that animals would also. If man lived 15 times his normal lifespan then apply that to an animal. A dog, what would a 105 year old dog look like? How about a tiger (remember that a tigers fangs will grow the entire length of its life.) What about a tourtois? Let's talk about the wooly found. It was entrapped in a glacier that Book 3 states a glacier is a slow moving ice formation. So that Mammoth would have had to stand there for several hundreds of years while the glacier slowly covered him up. What about that whooly. Did you know that there are 2 things that continue to grow on an elephant its entire life. 1) it's tusks 2) its hair. So what would 900 year old elephant look like. In Book 1 it talks about great creatures like the levithan, behomoth, and another creature with scales that no one could hunt. In book 1 it talks about a world wide catastophy that destroyed all life on earth except for those who were saved by the designer. Book 1 talks about the water level covering the entire earth up to 50 feet above the highest mountain. Hmm So a T rex can float to the top of a mountain where it could not walk. oh and the mammoth would have been covered in water immdiately and since the canopy of water from around the earth would have fallen onto the earth there would be no more tropical world wide climates. Since the mammoth was up closer to the north pole it would have frozen almost immediately and the poles began to freeze. And with the canopy gone, radiation can then get to the surface of the earth and Book 1 tells me that men did not live as long after the Flood as they did before the flood. Book 3 says there are 2 ways to create fossils. 1) Bones being buried for millions of years under a little pressure. OR 2) Bones being buried a short time under a large amount of pressure. Book 1 again stated water as high as 50 feet above the highest mountain. That would cause an unbearable amount of water pressure on those bones which were just buried when the canopy broke. (BTW oil, diamonds, coal, amber can all be created the same way a little pressure over a long time span or a lot of pressure over a short timespan.) Now this Designer then comes to earth in human form and since He did create the earth it is only reasonable that He can manipulate the earth to walk on water. It also makes sense that since He created life He would have the power to revive life. It also makes sense that since he loved his creation and they rebelled against Him that would he do all he could to reconcile His creation back to Himself. So that is why He sent Jesus who is God in human form to make a sacrifice so as to satify the requirements of the law that He created for man. So that whoever would believe in Him would not perish but have eternal life.
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@sconibear (8012)
• United States
10 Mar 09
well of course you're an expert in book 1. but there are a lot of similarities between book 1 and book 2 which leads me to believe book 1 is just a mutation of book 2. book 1 just combined all the gods into one God and eliminated some of the more fanciful creatures. but i still believe book 1 and book 2 are ancient writings written by man for man or more importantly, to keep man in line. sure they are some colorful stories, but Alice in Wonderland is a pretty colorful story too. i'm not a scientist so i can't tell you exactly how the sun works or why fossils form, but book 1 and book 2 have never presented any evidence to back their claims where as book 3 has been presenting evidence for centuries now. i have a hard time understanding why people that believe some pretty outrageous claims by book 1 have a hard time believing less fanciful claims with scientific proof from book 3.
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@maenad (46)
• United States
10 Mar 09
I actually am a Hellenic polythiest (although, we wouldn't ever just rely on one book of Greek mythology! Greek mythology is so wide and varied that it contridicts itself!)but religious belief does not preclude Scientific study. It all depends on how you take books 1 and 2. Some people will never see book three, others will see it as another way of knowing, not the only way. Some will see book 3 as the only way of knowing. As a Hellenic polytheist, I love both my mythology and science/scientific method. They both explain the world in different ways. Also, you kinda messed up on a few points of your Greek mythos. I can help you with that if you'd like.
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@sconibear (8012)
• United States
10 Mar 09
twasn't i who messed it up......i got it right out of book 2.
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@maenad (46)
• United States
10 Mar 09
Then, man, that book kinda sucked. It wasn't a man who lived in the seas. If anything, it's Poseidon, a god. Who isn't exactly bound by the things that make us mortal.
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@sconibear (8012)
• United States
10 Mar 09
of course i know Poseidon is a Greek god.......and an upside down cruise liner. that's why i wrote man/being......i didn't want to bring God or gods into the discussion.
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• Philippines
11 Mar 09
I choose the the 1st book. The Bible is not a mythology as other claims it to be. It is grounded historically, geographically and is supported archeologically. Book 2 is a mythology and Book 3 is science and theories (may i know what is the name of this science book) This is what i have against book3. 1) book 3 tells me that EVERYTHING started as a singularity or point and all matter and energy exploded out of this singularity with a "big bang" and has been expanding, cooling, and forming the universe for billions and billions of years now. ans: this is base on theory. Can anyone prove a theory? Can you even explain where this singularity comes from? 2) book 3 tells me the conditions were just right and the chemical balance was just right for a single cell to develop which grew more complex and branched off into billions of different life forms over billions of years. they have fossil evidence, carbon dating, and other scientific data to back they're story. ans: You must be mistaken. The mathematical probability for a single bacterium to develop by chance is 10 to 100,000,000,000th power. Mathematicians tells us that any event greater than 1 chance in 10 to 50th power is in the realm of metaphysics -- i.e. a miracle. From simple to complex life is unsupported by fossil records. Science has yet to find a transitional fossils. There is not one shred of proof that could be found on fossils evidence to back this up. Tell me the name of the book so I could see it for myself. Your science book must be an old version. 3) Dinosaurs are in the Bible. They are just called by a different name. Behemoth and Leviathan are animals found on the Bible. They are dinosaurs and dragons. You have been given 3 books. Could you honestly say that you have read and studied the 1st book? Have you done you research to debunk it? The 3rd book you believe in is basically flawed. Its not even 100% accurate.
• Thailand
11 Mar 09
There is more archeological proof for Greek mythology than there is for the Bible. You wan some transitional fossils, try these: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/02/photogalleries/darwin-birthday-evolution/index.html Even if the proof wasn't in the fossil record the proof supplied by the science of Genomics leaves no doubt as to how life evolved.
• Thailand
11 Mar 09
Here is a video which might help you to understand why your thinking is out of date and obsolete. http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/juan_enriquez_on_genomics_and_our_future.html
• Thailand
11 Mar 09
Given a choice it would have to be book three. Books 1 and 2 are both books of mythology. In their time both books 1 and 2 had their believers because they both seem to answer the questions that have always had a preeminent place in the human psyche. They're both obsolete. The problems with the underlying philosophy of books 1 and 2 is that they ask you to believe without examining that which they ask you to believe. Book 3 does not ask you to believe but rather asks you to examine the facts and make your own decision as to whether those facts fit with how you see the real world around you. In their time the believers in books 1 and 2 attempted to use the force of law to enforce belief in the mythology they contain. Science has never resorted to the legal system to enforce a belief in the facts it presents. It has never asked for belief, only for consideration and examination of the evidence it presents. The choice is yours but for me I choose fact over myth and reality over fantasy.
• Thailand
11 Mar 09
Please excuse the duplicate post.
• Philippines
11 Mar 09
Do you believe in the theory of evolution?
• Thailand
11 Mar 09
No I don't believe in the theory of evolution because there isn't one. Darwin's theory was the "Theory of Decent Through Natural Selection". Evolution is the process that results from natural selection. Do I understand that the process of evolution has occurred and is occurring? Yes, the evidence for it is written in stone in the fossil record and in our blood as a part of our genome.
@liaamur (417)
• Philippines
10 Mar 09
first, it is important to remember that these three books are different things, with only one goal: to explain the existence of the universe. for what reason..beats me. second, we note that mythology is...well, a myth. a collection of folklore/legends, 'old stories' if you must. the bible is another collection, but of true stories, a record of the events that happened in the life of christ, the greatest prophet. still, these are stories that are handed down by word of mouth. it is the descendants who wrote the events, and not the actual persons who are present during the new testament. moreover, these people are not present during the creation of the world, the old testament. i do not intend to undermine the authenticity of the bible, it is merely a fact. science is as science does. it counteracts pretty much all of what the bible says, presenting 'logic' as an explanation for trying to uncover the wonders of the creation. let me assure you, those intelligent scientists with the latest equipment could never be sure of what they were saying. they could only make a guess, albeit an informed one, about the start of the world. they could never prove that it really happened because one, they were never there and two, they could not duplicate the creation in the first place, even at a smaller quantity. lastly, we should notice that all these books refer to a certain entity that started everything: the bible calls it 'being' which is god, mythology calls it a 'force' that is love, and science calls it an 'energy' for whatever it is that caused the explosion. personally, i think they are all referring to the same entity. god IS the force that is love, which is the energy that sustains everything we see and know.
@sconibear (8012)
• United States
10 Mar 09
thanks for the response. it makes a lot of sense although a little too warm and fuzzy for me, but you made some very good points. i'm still leaning towards book 3 though.
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@ClassyCat (1214)
• United States
10 Mar 09
It has been said that "no prophecies have EVER been fulfilled. Not true, but there's no need to try to refute that. People believe what they deem as truth. To me, only "book 1" promises me something after one reaches the end of books 1 & 2. That's what I look forward to. * If what you believe, gives you peace, makes you a better person, and influences others for good, and brings love and true friendship to others - just live it, and propagate it.
@ClassyCat (1214)
• United States
10 Mar 09
I forgot to add: doubleloveyou - thanks for a very detailed dissertation. Well done. Have a great week everyone. C. C.
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• United States
11 Mar 09
i would love to know that!! it amazes me how people will just ignore facts for something so off the wall just because its association with religion.. im a facts person personally
@sconibear (8012)
• United States
11 Mar 09
i'm glad you GET IT moon. people can't accept the first 2 books were written by ancient people just coming out of the stone age and have been changed so many times to conform to whoever is doing the conforming. these books were put in place BY MAN to keep OTHER MEN in line. they have NO relevance in today's world. without science however, we wouldn't be typing on our computers right now..........we would still be sitting in caves writing "The Bible - Part Deux"
@barehugs (8983)
• Canada
10 Mar 09
All things are possible! Imagine the stories that abounded in the first 500 years after Jesus was purported to have been born In Bethlehem. A good story is never so good that it can't be improved upon, and believe me this story was! If there had been written stories of the Birth of a Savior, they would have been Treasured and Saved for Posterity. But no such luck. Instead the stories of Jesus were told and retold, added to, and deleted from with each telling, and passed down for generations before they were recorded on Papyrus, ostensibly by the Catholic Church 300 to 500 years later. The Church had it's own reasons for re translating 'God's Holy Word." There was much undesirable content included, which would not work for the Dogma of the Church. One of the problems was that of Reincarnation, or Life after Life. This was so undesirable they chopped it right out. God! if the Parishioners ever realized they had second chance to get it right, nobody would go to Church, to say nothing of tithing. Tithing was what it was all about, and the church prospered, by scaring the Devil out of it's Parishioners with stories of Hell,Confession, Fire, and Brimstone. This Myth worked so well for the Church that today its the #1 Richest most Powerful Business on the face of the earth. So well in fact that when the Church was caught with its Pants down to its Knees, sexually abusing children of it's own Parishioners, the evidence was swept under the rug for years, until finally coming to the Spot-Light. Millions of lives were affected, not one abuser spent a single night in jail, the Church threw Billions of Dollars at it, the Parishioners said very little, and it all went away.
@sconibear (8012)
• United States
10 Mar 09
at last.....someone with a clue. it might also be noted that in medieval times, the Catholic church set up parishes and started having people confess to the priests so they could spy on the parishioners even though somewhere in the bible it says something like, "confess to NO MAN, only confess to God" but those wacky Catholics always changing the word of God to fit their own needs. before any Catholics jump all over me, i'm a recovering catholic and went to catholic school for several years! so yeah......been there, done that. plus the bible has been translated and re-translated so many times, who knows what it really said? for all we know it could have just been a really long play. thanks for the response barehugs.
• Philippines
12 Mar 09
All of them really. Book 3 was written just recently and had all the combined knowledge of eons of generations which makes it scientifically viable. Book 1 was written 2000 or so years ago, and some of the things there are culturally relevant at that day and age but no longer relevant today, but still the teachings of virtue in the new testament are still applicable even now. Book 2 has dwindled in followers but there are still grains of truth in the many myths in it. In some way all of them are right and wrong at the same time.
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• Singapore
11 Mar 09
There is one truth. All the writers of the 3 books did not witness the beginning of life. All 3 books agree that there is a beginning, no matter what or how the world begins, there is still a beginning. There is also another truth. Nobody on earth can demonstrate and provide evidence that big bang or other methods produce the beginning of the world.
• Thailand
11 Mar 09
Given a choice it would have to be book three. Books 1 and 2 are both books of mythology. In their time both books 1 and 2 had their believers because they both seem to answer the questions that have always had a preeminent place in the human psyche. They're both obsolete. The problems with the underlying philosophy of books 1 and 2 is that they ask you to believe without examining that which they ask you to believe. Book 3 does not ask you to believe but rather asks you to examine the facts and make your own decision as to whether those facts fit with how you see the real world around you. In their time the believers in books 1 and 2 attempted to use the force of law to enforce belief in the mythology they contain. Science has never resorted to the legal system to enforce a belief in the facts it presents. It has never asked for belief, only for consideration and examination of the evidence it presents. The choice is yours but for me I choose fact over myth and reality over fantasy.
• United States
11 Mar 09
There is an old saying "In every story there is a grain of truth". This is true in creation stories. There is a Native American story that tells of the world being created on the back of a turtle, another one that says we came from the Grizzly bear. Every culture on earth has a creation story, and one that suits their regions, their cultures, and so forth. I think the importance of the spiritual life is to come together and look for the common threads that unite us, that tie us together as spiritual beings. Even in scientific terms we have commonalities that we all share as human beings. Namaste-Anora