Between YouTube, Google and The Performing Arts Society, Who Loses Out In The En
By Darkwing
@Darkwing (21583)
March 10, 2009 12:37pm CST
I guess we all use YouTube at some time or another. Some save their own videos on there, others save their favourite songs and such. I particularly like YouTube because I can embed my favourites in my websites, which I have done, in huge numbers, no less.
Now, with all the wrangling between YouTube, Google, The Performing Arts Rights Commission and Songwriters, we're likely to lose all pop videos from not only YouTube but our websites, for the unforseeable future. For goodness sake! Why do people have to be so greedy? The pop industry on its own, makes a fortune, and YouTube is hardly going to take away sales from them by running their website. If you personally like a CD or DVD then you buy it for your own personal use, don't you? Moreover, YouTube don't charge for subscription, so they're not doing the music industry out of anything, and who loses in the long-run? Who's got to delete all those songs from their sites, and lose its potentional... we, the user, as usual!
What do you make of all this bickering over fees and rights? Should we have a say? Who's really at fault here... YouTube, Google or the Music Industry? I'm devastated, I can tell you! YouTube was my favourite programme for music as it had almost every single thing I searched for. I will miss it a lot. How about you?
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@Mike_Timmins (8)
• United States
10 Mar 09
I don't think its a fight that will ever resolve. All honesty, youtube isnt doing anything illegal, they aren't posting the videos, users are. Saying they are commiting a crime is like suing a bank because you were in it when it got robbed, and you got hurt. Its not the banks fault someone tryed to use them for something illegal. personaly, I think the music artists do have a right to want thier money, they did make the music, but at the same time, its not like they have any shortage of income. We as a society are partly to blame for this aswell. If we didn't make such a big deal out of the artists, and make them expect for everyone to want to throw money at them, i don't think we would have nearly as much problem in this.
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@Darkwing (21583)
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10 Mar 09
There's nothing says YouTube are committing a crime here. The argument is that YouTube pay the Music Industry so much money for rights, and now, they're getting greedy and wanting them to cough up more. You can't blame the users either, if YouTube see fit to accept the videos they upload... they're surely responsible for what goes on on their own site! However, that's not the issue here. It seems to me that the music industry want to stop everybody else's online pleasure for the sake of creating a monopoly. A dangerous route, my friend!
@misslovelyfiles (250)
• United States
11 Mar 09
To be honest with you I think the music industry will lose out in the long run. Like you said if people want to buy a cd or dvd they will and in some instances the fact you see it on youtube if free adverting for the artist and movies, because if you like a video you will share it will all your friends.
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@Darkwing (21583)
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12 Mar 09
You have it in a nutshell there, my friend. I have all my favourites on CD but I can't share them with my friends, or put them on my sites, so I search them out in YouTube and post them from their site. I hope the music industry do lose out because in my view, they are exercising pure greed. YouTube already pay fees for using the music, and they now want to add to those fees. Good for YouTube for standing its ground, I say.
Brightest Blessings and thank you for your contribution.
@misslovelyfiles (250)
• United States
15 Mar 09
I think they are because even though the person doesn't buy the whole CD , but just by hearing the song on youtube you might want to buy the single on Itunes
@weemam (13372)
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10 Mar 09
This is the first I have heard of it . I don't use U Tube a lot but I DO use it ,
I think it will be all over money as nowadays that's what seems to be more important to people , The big money people don't care if we get upset or not ,
Wee xx
@Darkwing (21583)
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10 Mar 09
I think, because of the recession, maybe the music industry are trying to create a monopoly here, so that they are not in any danger of going down the pan. The fact is that a lot of songs that they sell are first heard on YouTube and Launchcast, places like that, and that's what gives them extra revenue in the first place. To be seen bickering like this by the general public, might just put people off buying their products, or saving their little spending money for something they need more. After all, it's not the artistes that do best out of their talents, it's everybody else who's involved that reap the bounty... agents, recording studios, record labels, songwriters... you name it!
I saw it first on the 5 a.m. news, but they repeated it every hour this morning. It's hot news at the moment, marred only by the shooting of that poor policeman, in Ireland.
Brightest Blessings my dear friend and thank you for your contribution.
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@Darkwing (21583)
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10 Mar 09
I agree with you,my friend. It's ridiculous... and as for not having any family members to collect the fees, then guess where that will go! Ha ha ha.
I think a lot of people record their videos from personal CDs but because they share with others, they could be preventing the sale of many more. However, as I said back there somewhere, sometimes the appearance of a video on YouTube encourages more sales! So, it's swings and roundabouts as far as I can see.
Brightest Blessings my friend.
@Darkwing (21583)
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25 Mar 09
There are still a few good videos on there but many have been taken out. I guess we just have to wait around and see what the outcome of all the wrangle is. Do you have an updated flash player? That could be your problem with viewing... you may have an older version which needs updating.
Brightest Blessings and thank you for your contribution.
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12 Mar 09
Such a shame. I have only just started to listen to music via You Tube. Just listened to Alanis Morrisette(Uninvited)the live version. Amazing! But check out the words on another related video post. I could ever understand what she was singing about but just loved the song and when I actually saw the words I realised she has so much talent and is so different to other artists.
Greed has got the better of the music execs and when they realise they can't compete with the exposure that You Tube gives them they will see sense!Just my take on things!
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15 Mar 09
Read Pete Waterman in the Sun saying how royalties are nothing from You Tube! Love to have your thought guys and doll's!
@deeeky (3667)
• Edinburgh, Scotland
12 Mar 09
The variety of music on youtube has been unserpassed in my opnion and will be a very sad loss to us all as greed takes over once again.
One of the best things I liked was the fact that you could see the artist performing the song that was one of my favourites yet never seen the artist till viewing them singing it on youtube.
An aspect of the site will be sorely missed.
@Darkwing (21583)
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12 Mar 09
Yes, I agree with everything you say. I guess it's the battle of the giants now, and we shall see who reigns victorious. I hope it's YouTube because they seem to be more for the people than for themselves, as opposed to the Music Industry.
In the meantime, I shall miss going in there to wind down, when the need arises. Music is a great healer, my friend.
Brightest Blessings and thank you for your contribution. x
@faith210 (11224)
• Philippines
11 Mar 09
Hi Darkwing! I guess, the music industry just don't want to lose even a cent on their profits that is why they are after YouTube. This is sad news for me since I love YouTube.
Take care and blessings to you!
lovelots..faith
@Darkwing (21583)
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12 Mar 09
That's just the point, Faith, my friend. The Music Industry already charges YouTube a fee. They want to up that fee and YouTube isn't willing to pay any more, and I don't blame them for that. They don't charge their members to watch the videos, so where's the sense in paying astronomical fees?
I love YouTube too. It's the only place I can find all the songs I want to listen to. Brightest Blessings and thank you for your contribution. xx
@underdogtoo (9579)
• Philippines
13 Mar 09
I have just recently been using youtube to listen to my favorite jazz pianist and it is great. Sometimes I get a message, 'sorry this video is no longer available' maybe because of some problems with the recording company. I guess it takes a lot of money to record a song but youtube does a service by promoting these songs. You're right, I would buy a record if I liked the artist. Cheers!!
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@sparkofinsanity (20471)
• Regina, Saskatchewan
11 Mar 09
Hell I'm trying to figure out how ITunes got the exclusive rights to American Idol! LOL
Greed is a terrible thing and impacts severely on the very people that are the consumers, so where's the sense in this kind of thing? I don't do videos or download much music or upload any so it's not a big thing for me personally, but I know plenty of kids that are going to be right pissed if UTube gets done out of it's videos and such. As for private sites having to remove their own stuff, that's just downright an infringement of civil rights and shouldn't be allowed. We need to have the 'rights' of the internet community revised to stop this kind of megalomania.
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@Darkwing (21583)
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12 Mar 09
I agree with you my friend. If a price was negotiated in the first place, why are the Music Industry wanting to up that price, just because YouTube is doing so well. Moreover, they're withdrawing all those videos despite YouTube already paying a fee!!! The only reason we have to clear them from our sites is so that they don't take up the bandwidth when they can't be played. It's pointless having a load of videos posted on your site if you can't get to see them.
Brightest Blessings, my dear friend, and thank you for your contribution.
@cream97 (29087)
• United States
10 Mar 09
Hi, Darkwing! I like Youtube myself! I did not hear about this until now. I hope that they don't dismiss Youtube from being on the Internet. I am able to find old songs that no longer play on the radio. I don't know whose fault it is. But, someone is to blame, and it can't be Youtube. Yes, people are very greedy in this world, especially when it comes to money and food..
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@Darkwing (21583)
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10 Mar 09
YouTube aren't going to close down completely, my friend. Not according to the news reports anyway. They'll still have the personal videos and stuff for sharing, but all the pop ones, and anything with pop added or copyright material, such as comedians and film actors, are going to be made unavailable for the unforseen future. This will no doubt last while the wrangling goes on. Myself, I find it ludicrous that the music industry should want to "up" their charges to Mylot. They already pay an agreed fee, and now they're being asked for more, simply because their site is popular. Songwriters are the main stem of the problem from what I can gather from the reports. It was on our TV over and over this morning. I'm surprised it wasn't on yours, as YouTube is an American company judging by the guy they were interviewing. I guess record sales like everything else are down with the recession, so the music industry decided to hit somebody else to save themselves. Great!!!
Brightest Blessings my friend and thank you for your contribution.
@jazzsue58 (2666)
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10 Mar 09
I guess it means no more George Michael or Michael Buble live performances for me, then. Grrrr! But what about all those amateur recordings of live bands, where you weren't supposed to use a camera but people did? If they ban those as well, there won't be much left on Youtube we CAN watch!
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@Darkwing (21583)
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12 Mar 09
Well, the truth is that the live performances always state, "no video recording" anyway. So, the person who made the video of a live performance would be in contempt of that rule. What's happened is that YouTube pay for publishing rights, but the Music Industry have decided that because YouTube are doing so well, they would like to up their fees. YouTube think they pay enough already, and I don't blame them for standing their ground, but it means them taking out all copyright material from their site, which is a real blow for the user, like you and I, who enjoy many of the music and comedy vids on there.
Brightest Blessings my friend and thank you for your contribution.
