CEO's Bonus are they unfair?

@bobmnu (8157)
United States
March 15, 2009 11:35am CST
The headline today was "AIG paid $165 million in Bones". AIG received government bailout money and yet they can afford to pay out huge bonus. This is UNFAIR, or so the headlines and the political leaders would have us believe. Just what are these "bonus"? How can a person receive a bonus when the company is losing money? These questions seem to be fair game to ask. It seems that there is a long history of politicians trying to limit the amount of money a successful person can make. Our income tax structure is such that the more you make the higher percent you pay in taxes. After you make your money and use that money to make more money you will be taxed again on that money. Several years ago they decided to put a limit on what a person could make. They changed the tax code to say that a business could only deduct salaries up to $1,000,000. The thinking was a business would not pay more than they could claim on taxes. So business started to tie pay to performance. They created the bonus and the severance package, usually consisting of stock options in the company or money invested in the company to be paid when the person left the company. If the company did good the person earned more money and if the company did poorly the person received less money. One of the more famous examples of this was Lee Iacocca, who took over Chrysler when they were failing. He believed he was the right man for the job and bet everything on it. He took a salary of $1.00 per years for so many years. He also wanted stock in the company so that when he turned the company around he would make his money. Many of these companies paid a dividend on your investment which was reinvested and increased the amount in the "Golden Parachute". Many of the investment bankers and Wall Street people receive yearly bonus based upon how well they did in meeting their goals and how much money they bought into the firm. Their yearly salary was rather small, sometimes ranging for $25,000 to $75,000 (a congressman makes $145,000 + fees for speaking and some public appearances, President Clinton has made millions speaking around the world and nobody is complaining). The people who work in these fields are people who are motivated by money and can wait to receive their compensation. It is a very competitive business and how you are seen in the eyes of your fellow workers may be in the size of your bonus, so you work to see that it is a sizable bonus. Compare this to a congressman who has to vote, with the majority, NOT to increase his/her salary each year. When he/she runs for re-election he goes out and asks people to fund his campaign and can hire his family to work on the re-election. After he/she is done serving he/she will often move out of the state to Washington or some other large city where he/she gets a job lobbying the new congress for money. Who should be rewarded more the one who lives off the taxpayer or the one who creates jobs and pays taxes?
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• United States
18 Mar 09
flunking businesses - I never thought that people with flunking businesses got bonuses.
I never thought that people with flunking businesses got bonuses. The rules are different for some than for others. It ticks me off knowing these fat cats will be keeping their salaries, getting bonuses, and doing alright while people who obey the rules and do their utmost are getting sacked out of everything.
@bobmnu (8157)
• United States
18 Mar 09
One of the things people have to remember is that AIG is made up of several different divisions or sections. Only one was losing money and that was the one that insured mortgages backed by Freddie and Fannie, government quasi business, and they paid there CEO's several HUNDERN MILLIONS in bonus based on false reporting by them. On top of that Fannie paid several hundred million in fines for their mistakes, and the CEO's were praised by the Democrats in Congress for running a very sound company. Did I mention the millions that Fannie and Freddie gave in Campaign donations to the Democrats?
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• United States
21 Mar 09
That is a good point. * Here is another point to consider. Many employees are finding themselves in fear for property or even their lives over the bonus scandal. Was receiving a bonus worth it? There are other ways of rewarding a good employee in a bad economy that does not inflame the American public to the point of endangering said employee. It's a mess anyway you slice it. * http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090320/ap_on_re_us/aig_outrage_security
@bobmnu (8157)
• United States
22 Mar 09
One thing to keep in mind is that many of these people were brought in to clean up the mess. AIG Financial had securities that were almost worthless but still had some value. What caused the financial crisis was mortgage backed securities which were suppose to be solid investments. Instead many of these were properties that were worth($100,000) much less than the amount of the loan($250,000). AIG did not make the loan they only bought a total package of loans($10,000,000) that were rated a good buy. Some people believe that there was an understanding that the loans that came from Fannie and Freddie were backed by the US Government, thus the securities were considered a solid investment and paid a very good return. These executives were hired and given millions of dollars of loans to sell to other investors and get some money back for the company. Will they get all the money back, NO, but they will get some back. It is much like a company or person going bankrupt and selling off their assets so that the people they owe money to will get something back. The person who handles the sale is given a commission or bonus for doing this. The better price they get the more bonus they receive. This is what the people at AIG did and now the congress and the media has painted them as bad people for doing what they were hired to do. Shep Smith gave a very good outline of what happened and how we got into this crisis. http://hotair.com/archives/2009/03/18/video-shep-smith-goes-nuclear-on-barney-frank-congress-over-aig-bonuses/ Certain members of Congress have every reason to keep the focus on everyone else. No one is questioning the money these people received and the special favors they received and how it could have lead to the crisis. Why not a full investigation into the role the government played in this crisis?
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