Did Obama snub Sarkozy? Or does he really not know who the French president is?

@ladyluna (7004)
United States
March 23, 2009 8:21am CST
Hello All, Call it what you will ... "In a letter described by Chirac as 'very nice,' Obama wrote, 'I am certain that we will be able to work together, in the coming four years, in a spirit of peace and friendship to build a safer world." Doesn't that sound like a statement made by one dignitary to another? http://www.monstersandcritics.com/news/middleeast/news/article_1465571.php/Obama_tacitly_honours_Chiracs_stance_against_Iraq_war_ "Foreign Policy Gaffe Machine Strikes Again; Obama Sends Note to Chirac Pledging Friendship..." http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2212437/posts So, Sarkozy has been working feverishly to get a teté a'tete, and instead Obama sends a gushing letter to Chirac? Didn't anybody tell Obama that Chirac is no longer the French President? Or that Chirac was bogged down in corruption allegations? http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5iv3fVWVgb5iZPHja9sS9fypCVbEg OK, in light of the Gordon Brown snub, what is going on? Is this another snub, or a great, big brain blip? Any thoughts? ____________________________________________________________________________________ Additional reading: "In his account, Sarkozy has been trying strenously already to score the first face-to-face meeting with Obama from a European leader, but with little prospect for any success in doing so before the American president is scheduled to attend the..." http://www.ask.com/web?qsrc=2417&o=20036&l=dir&q=sarkozy+has+been+trying+to+get+a+meeting+with+obama "The case concerns allegations that Paris funds were used to give front jobs at City Hall to individuals from Chirac's Rally for the Republic Party..." http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5iv3fVWVgb5iZPHja9sS9fypCVbEg "A stream of city hall revelations stained Mr Chirac's image as President but did not prevent his re-election in 2002. Half a dozen of his former subordinates have been sentenced to suspended prison terms over affairs arising from his mayoral years, while his presidential immunity has until now shielded him from proceedings. Since leaving office he has become vulnerable to investigation in at least four cases." http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article2914962.ece
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• United States
24 Mar 09
I don't see how this could be an error on 0bama's part. Aren't any letters such as this screened by the State Department or some protocol officer? Would 0bama be so stupid as to bypass all the safe guards set up to avoid such blunders? It looks to me 0bama is simply trying to make our friends mad and cozy up to our enemies. What a guy!
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
24 Mar 09
Hello Red, The State Department does not have authority over the Executive. The Executive would have to submit to such oversight or suggestion. 'Course, if this did happen as it was originally suggested (see the first response on this page) then I'd have to agree with you, that it is all but inconceivable that it is accidental.
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@Destiny007 (5819)
• United States
23 Mar 09
We already know that the 0bamunist hasn't got a clue. He laughs when told that his budget won't work, Biden is making jokes about birth certificates, he thinks there are 57 States in the US, he has already insulted one of our closest allies, and he has apologized to terrorists... so why should any of this be a surprise? He is nothing more than a figurehead... a bone to appease the minorities. While it would be nice if he knew something about Foreign Policy, and who is actually running what country, it isn't really required for his job, because he is only following the orders of his masters... just as Bush did before him, and Clinton before Bush. He is merely a puppet on a string.
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
23 Mar 09
Hello Destiny, This is a sincere question: Do you think that the puppet masters are the same for the different administrations? Or, are they factions playing tug-o-war with We The People?
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• United States
24 Mar 09
They are the same. CFR, Bildenberger, Trilateral Commission. Not sure if I spelled that one right... but you know who I am referring to. These are the people who own the FED, and they are the ones pulling the strings. These are the ones pushing thew New World Order, and the Global Bank with the new Global Currency. The presidential races are nothing more than one big show to make the masses think they actually have a choice. Watch those videos I referenced.
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
24 Mar 09
I promise that watching the vid's is on the to-do-list, Destiny. Honestly, I just wondered if you personally believed that there are still warring factions, or if you believe that they are one in the same group.
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@jonesy123 (3949)
• United States
23 Mar 09
And isn't it amazing how chillingly quiet our national media is on all of this. First the British Prime Minister, now the French President... Who else of our allies are we going to alienate? Who is advising Obama in all of this? One would think he'd have somebody on staff who'd know better. But hey, every misstep is dutifully ignored by our media. He can do what he wants, they'll just cover it up. Bet you won't even hear a single comedian make fun of that. That's great stuff to work with... nope, not a single pun about it.
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
23 Mar 09
Hello Jonesy, It's maddening, isn't it?
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• India
23 Mar 09
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
23 Mar 09
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@Fortunata (1136)
• United States
23 Mar 09
While I'm not a big fan of France, after the way they've treated us for the past 8 years, I couldn't help but grin when I heard about this. If Obama's handlers are responsible for this(which I seriously doubt), he needs to get rid of the 12s and get some adults that will help from keeping him look like an idiot.
@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
23 Mar 09
Hello Fortunata, I'm not quite sure that I know what you mean by "the 12s", though, I expect that you're implying a lack of maturity or experience? If I'm reading your response correctly, then I certainly cannot disagree with your suggestion. As for France and their 'treatment' of, or perception of the USA: I expect that the metro areas of France, as dominated by Paris, aren't so unlike our metro areas here in the USA. Metro's tend to be much more liberal than their small city or rural counterparts. Those French citizens who I've known or heard from on the matter tend to be much more Conservative than their Parisian counterparts, and thus much more pro-American, or pro-Conservative. Suffice it to say, Louis L'Amore is very popular in France, and he reinvented the American Western writing genre'. Which goes to show that American frontierism and American exceptionalism are reverred in much of France. So, as far as I'm concerned, most of the French are just fine.
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@Fortunata (1136)
• United States
23 Mar 09
Yup, that's exactly what I mean.
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@peavey (16991)
• United States
23 Mar 09
It's Monday morning and I already have a headache due to the things going on in our nation. Is anyone else embarrassed by our president? I'm at the point where I almost feel sorry for him. He's obviously in over his head. Between France and Great Britain, I wonder which one was offended the most? And then he goes on Voice of America with a goofy "we can be friends after all" message for Iran. Hello? Do I see a pattern here? He's not that stupid. He may be somebody's puppet, but surely he knows what he's doing.
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
23 Mar 09
Hello Peavey, Intentional or not does seem to be the question of the day, doesn't it?
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@peavey (16991)
• United States
23 Mar 09
Exactly.
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@Adoniah (7515)
• United States
24 Mar 09
I still say that Obama is just a figurehead and no one cares if he has a clue. He is not running anything. Congress is busy Nationalizing all the banks and large businesses, thus gaining control over the important parts of the country's money. They are buying a lot of the States with the stimulus package, because once they are dependent on this money and it is not there next year, they will be in real straits next year. The schools are brain washing our kids into thinking that Capitalism is evil and Socialism is great. Now that the stimulus money is going to the schools it will be even worse. No Obama does not have a clue. He does not know Geography, History and apartently he does not know the heads of state. I do not think he is doing this on perpose. I think he is truely ignorant. Yes, he can deliver a speach beautifully, as long as someone else wrote it, and it is on a teleprompter. Shalom~Adoniah
@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
24 Mar 09
Hello Adoniah, Schools, monetary dependence, nationalizing key components of the economy, the teleprompter ... all true! It makes ya' wonder who is pulling the levers behind the curtain, doesn't it?
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@PrarieStyle (2487)
• United States
24 Mar 09
This is exactly the kind of thing that happens when you hire someone who handed you a blank application.
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
24 Mar 09
Hello PrairieStyle, Uhhh gotta' wonder ... why did we hire someone who submitted a blank application? Isn't it wiser to verify the information presented by a potential job applicant??????????
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@katran (585)
• United States
23 Mar 09
Be careful, ladyluna! You did not properly do your research on this one. http://www.newser.com/story/54132/no-bloggers-obama-doesnt-think-chirac-is-french-prez.html I know a lot of us here are skeptical of Obama and are very afraid of his policies, and I include myself in this. I think he is a bumbling dolt and has proved to us that he does not know what he is doing so far, but you have to be careful that you are not giving have the story. You have to make sure you are getting all the facts, or else you are just discrediting our point of view.
@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
23 Mar 09
Hello Katran, Thank you for the warning and the update. In fact, I did perform my due diligence. Before posting this thread I checked all of the relevant wire services for any correction to the accounting. There were no such corrections or contradictions to be found in print, as written in the English language, at the time of my posting -- which was early this morning. I do see that this 'raw meat' does seem to be being diffused across the internet as we speak. The CSM blog correction is dated today, as is the Newser correction. Both of which appear to post-date my thread (the Newser source is dated just shy of three hours ago - at the time that I began writing this reply which is four hours newer than this thread). While CSM is a reputable source, in my opinion, they are still relying on another 'source', and have not offered any substantive evidence that the second source had access to the original letter. What's more, I have not seen any corroboration that this Obama letter was written in reply to Chirac (i.e. where's the letter written by Chirac to Obama?). Do you see what I mean, there are no additional quotes from the 'original source' presented to refute the accuracy of the first accounting. It's a matter of he said:he said. As such, it would seem to me that this is one to watch. Evidence, one way or the other is sure to surface -- it'll just be a question of when. Though, I will pay close attention for any substantive updates, and would appreciate any other contributions in that regard. However, if the second accounting is accurate, and Obama conveyed to Chirac: “I am certain that we will be able to work together, in the coming four years, in a spirit of peace and friendship to build a safer world,” Obama is purported to have written." Then, I'm inclined to inquire about how specifically Obama intends to "work with" a disgraced foreign politician's foundation? Will any U.S. taxpayer monies be funnelled to the Chirac Foundation? Pinault was found guilty, on the heels of Juppe's conviction in 2004, and I still haven't found any results of the corruption charges levied against Chirac in 2007. Geeze, the more I dig, the more this sounds like Chicago. "Chirac has been bending the law for his corporate friends. Only a couple of months ago, Chirac decided that the French state should pay hundreds of millions of dollars to the state of California in the Executive Life scandal on behalf of François Pinault, one of the richest men in France. Pinault, a close friend of Chirac, had taken part in the fraudulent and illegal buyout of Executive Life through his investment company, Artémis." http://wsws.org/articles/2004/feb2004/jupp-f13.shtml
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@hotsummer (10800)
• Guam
23 Mar 09
that is really unbelievable. how could obama addressed the deposed president and not mentioned the residing president. does he not have any one who will do the research or writing for him. i guess then his belief is that the deposed president still have the right to be the president or lawful president. i really don't know why he did that. seems every day there are always new bad decisions that obama commit.
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
23 Mar 09
Hello Hotsummer, Please know that our government is designed to function more effectively than what is currently being demonstrated. There is a whole division of our national government known as the Department of State which is tasked to assist and provide guidance in this regard. Of course, they have to be asked and or communicated with in order to be of any assistance. Trust me Hotsummer, we're just as perplexed!
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@xfahctor (14126)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
23 Mar 09
Well well, this is indeed bizarre. I honestly have no idea what to make of it. There is no way he could NOT know who the french presient is.....is there? If this is the case, then WOW are we in trouble. I have already seen a little of his foriegn policy in action and none of it has been very reassuring, but this....there has to be more to it. I hope. Oh,, god, PLEASE PLEASE don't let him be THIS dumb.
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
23 Mar 09
Hello X, I'm not sure which is worse: intentional or not.
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• United States
23 Mar 09
He really is not handling himself very well on the international stage. NOt only with france but other countries too. He slights England, ignores France but tells Iran that he wants to be friends. Anyone else have an issue with that?
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
23 Mar 09
Hello Lilwonders, I definitely agree about England & France, as well as other foreign policy blunders. I have to ask though: in regard to your statement about 'friends with Iran', are you talking about the recent internet overture to the Iranian People? Or, Obama's campaign statments about Iran that he tried to back away from? Or, am I totally missing your point?
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• United States
23 Mar 09
So far he has already proved himself to be the ultimate sycophant now he seems to not even understand protocol! When is O(NO)bama going to stop making himself and ultimately the USA look foolish in the eyes of the world!
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
23 Mar 09
Hello Heather, I apologize that I have no answer for you. I've resigned myself to sewing a 'jester's cap' to keep on hand for such occasions.
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@deejean06 (1953)
• United States
23 Mar 09
Hi lady...This is very strange. Doesn't the administration employ people to help him maneuver the international stage? Let's say for a minute the President didn't know who the international leaders truly are... Shouldn't someone be watching over the correspondence coming out of the White House?
@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
23 Mar 09
Hello Deejean, You make a terrific point. Although the Department of State is at the beck and call of the president. Meaning that they would have to be called in order to step forward in an effort to steer or guide such correspondence. As for the plain, old watching of such correspondence -- clearly many are doing that. With the glaring exception of the American media -- who have yet to report on this Sarkozy/Chirac incident.
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• United States
23 Mar 09
The silence from our negligent American media is deafening! This is the guy who was supposed to improve our image to foreigners but he insults our ally England and doesn't even know who is actually occupying France's highest office? there ARE people whose job it is to keep the President informed of such things, I think he is too arrogant to let them advice him since he apparently believes his own hype and thinks he IS this great leader. Did you hear about his 60 minutes interview where he is LAUGHING about our economic owes? Even the guy interviewing him for CBS smelled something funny and asked if he was punch drunk! Happy to PM you the link to that one if you like.
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@Fortunata (1136)
• United States
23 Mar 09
Looked high as a kite to me!
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
23 Mar 09
No, I didn't see the 60 Minutes episode. Though, I've just read the Politico story about it, with video snippets. Yeah, that kind of disassociative flippancy ought to go over like a lead balloon. The snippet I just saw captured Obama's "gallows humor" comment and his declaration that Iraq is the least of his problems. "His problems"? Is this all about his presidential administration? Silly me, I thought it was about the USA and her people's problems. How could I have been so mistaken?
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@bestboy19 (5480)
• United States
25 Mar 09
Maybe he should ask Sarah Palin who the President of France is.
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@jlamela (4905)
• Philippines
24 Apr 09
Oh that's appalling!how come a US President didn't know the current business leaders equal to his position?was he trying to ignore Nicolas Sarkozy and pretended that Jacquis Chirac is still the French President?is Obama ignorant enough to disregard an important political leader? Why is that there are so many issues regarding Obama when he is still very new in his position and yet to prove his worth?