So much for the "Pro Choice" Lie!

I simply cannot support abortion. Individuals having the choice to pick any take is a nice thing, but there are occassions when choice of a person has to be curtailed, if possible. It's not dictatorship... it is to speak for the right of those who cannot speak, the weak and the vulnerable.

Ted, I don't have the time to read all of the responses so forgive me if I'm repeating what someone else has already posted. The Conscious Clause is not just about abortion. Under the Provider Refusal Rule, workers in health-care settings -- from doctors to janitors -- can refuse to provide services, information or advice to patients on subjects such as contraception, family planning, blood transfusions and even vaccine counseling if they are morally against it. The bill was so broad, that it even allowed insurance companies to deny coverage of any medical procedure they deem against their morals/religion. I'm not saying that a doctor shouldn't have morals or ethics, but I do object to anyone in the medical profession denying services which are necessary or in the patient's best interests based on personal rather than professional morals and ethics. If that were the case, then Jehovah's witnesses could work in ER rooms, and deny patients blood transfusions, Scientologists could work as psychologists, and deny proper medications and treatments for people with serious disorders, pharmacists could refuse to fill prescriptions and refuse to give said prescriptions back to the customer, and part of a medical team in the ER could simply refuse to do part or all of their job because it's "against their beliefs".

"To be truly "pro choice" a person would support the Conscious Clause, because it respects the right to choose. " I'm truly pro-choice then. A privately practicing doctor should not be forced to a procedure against his will. He or she is under no governmental obligation to perform non-emergency medical services, as far as I know. There are plenty of fish in the sea willing to abort your fetus for you - all you need to do is take a trip to your local Planned Parenthood to find them.

I'm completely Pro-Choice.Although a man doesn't really have a right to decide what a woman does with her body.All women should be able to choose what's right for her.

I really don't like the term pro-choice, but unfortunately we don't have another term. No matter how you argue it, you can't be the mind and conscience of anyone but yourself. Personally, I feel abortion is wrong but how I feel is not something I can force on another person. As for Obama and the others they have no more right to force their views than I do.

I am technically pro-choice, meaning that you should not be forced to have or perform an abortion or be forced to carry a pregnancy to term if you are ill equipped to handle the responsibilities of parenting or the pregnancy arose form a traumatic event such as rape. I agree that "Choice" means the right to CHOOSE, meaning that doctors and other medical professionals absolutely should not under any circumstances be forced to perform any procedure that they find morally objectionable. There are plenty of others who will do the job, so why FORCE somebody to do it if they find it morally objectionable? Choice means the right to choose, there is no force involved in true choice. Many doctors find euthanasia objectionable, so therefore choice involves being free to not kill somebody if you do not support that act on moral grounds. I fully support the Conscious Clause, if it will preserve the freedom to choose not to have to perform acts that you feel are wrong.

Here in UK, many medics will, rightly, refuse to perform abortions, it is good if your medics also get this right of choice. all the best urban

I brought this up a while ago. The pro abortion crowd was really against the conscience bit. They think that they should be able to force doctors to perform abortions the same way some of the gay marriage folks want to be able to force priests to marry them .

I believe in "pro-choice" which some like to confuse with "pro-abortion" and yes, I agree with teh Concsious clause (if I am understanding it correctly). I don't think doctors should be forced to do procedures that they don't believe in. I also don't understand why a women would want to have her abortion performed by a doctor who doesn't believe in abortions. Of course I believe in a doctors choice assuming that there would be enough doctors who are willing to perform these procedures. It is always my belief that things are never black and white. I supposed if there was a shortage of doctors who were willing to perform these procedures then, we would have something more to think about, but as far as I know, this is not the case.

This is utterly stupid! Doctors should be free to choose as much as anyone else. What is this world coming to? My husband dealt with an attorney once who would not represent him in his divorce from his first wife, he said it went against what he believed and referred us to someone else. He respected that decisions and contacted the other attorney end of story. Doctors should be able to refuse abortions, immunizations or anything else they morally disagree with.

Well, I want each person to continue to have their own PERSONAL freedom to choose. I do NOT want someone who CHOSE to work in a health care (or any service profession) to have ANY right to NOT fulfill anything I ask them to do which is within their job description. This includes but is not limited to things like birth control, different procedures, other medication, alternative treatment, NO treatment, see where I'm going with this? I am the patient, client, or customer and I am paying someone who decided to work as an (insert profession here), and they had better fulfill their job obligations whether THEY agree with MY choice or not. They aren't required to ever agree with a patient or customer, they ARE required to DO THEIR JOB OR LOSE THEIR JOB. *I* respect the Conscious Clause, and I rather think that if you are going to work in the health care industry, you had better be prepared to do what people ask you to do within your chosen field. I did not vote for Obama so my answer to that is a resounding WTF... By the way, as it becomes harder to get the type of care or service that people want and deserve, there will be other ways to get what you want but it will either be expensive or unsafe - or BOTH. I wish people would think about this before shooting themselves in the foot by trying to take away choices from others. Sorry for venting but I get pretty hot about the idea that anybody else has any right to take away someone's decision or interfere with it because of THEIR OWN PERSONAL HANGUPS. You are right, I likely would not choose to have an abortion but I would have no problem counseling someone who WANTED to have one. If it was the right choice for them and I was able to help them because I CHOSE to be a doctor, then I guess I'd better do what I'm getting paid for, huh?

I am considered to be pro choice because although I believe abortion should not be used for birth control there are circumstances that I believe are valid. As for doctors well let me put it like this sure they have a choice and their choice to work at a catholic or christian hospital that does not do abortion, but if they choose to go to a hospital that allows them then they should be held to perform them. I do not believe the government should be able to tell a religious hospital that they need to have these accomadations. The doctor does have the right to choose, he has the right to choose working in a hospital that performs or one that does not. As I stated above hospitals of faith should not be forced to have this service. I had to go to court with one of our mentally challenged individuals that had gotten pregnant the mother was trying to get the courts to force her to have an abortion because she is challenged. The woman which was 30 years old wanted to have the baby and with lots of resources she would be able to do this. I was the advocate for her human rights. We won and she had a beautiful little baby girl and both her and her now husband is making it and are wonderful parents with the resources they have. I also had to go to court for another individual that got pregnant and decided she wanted to abort the parent petitioned the court and said she would care for her grandchild. Our fight was that she was not emotionally ready to deal with the pregnancy and the judge ordered that she could have the abortion. The wheel goes round and round.

Well then wouldn't you agree with "Obama, Pelosi and Reid " for once? lol This is another topic that confuses me with the whole no big government as long as they tell women what they can't do with their body.... I am pro-choice and have had an abortion so I'm not "one of those people".

I personally believe that the choice to have an abortion should rest with the person getting it, and only that person. It is no one else's business what a women does with her body. I know that if I was in a situation where I had no choice but to get an abortion or give it up for adoption, I would abort. I know that there are a lot of people that think that this is the wrong choice, but I have to say it: IT IS MY BODY AND MY CHOICE. I think that Obama is choising what he thinks is best, it's his choice to make that doesn't mean that I have to agree with it. There is another reason that I believe that this is a choice that should only be made by the person having it done, if a women is determined enough she would find a way to get rid of the unwanted child if there was no one else available. I think it is wrong for people to take the right to choose away from another person. What makes them think that they know what is best for everyone? I know that personally I think that personal matters are just that, personal! I don't think that anyone should have the right to take that away just because they don't agree with the choice. I think that if we are going to start doing that, we might as well just forget freedome all together.

This discussion has exposed an interesting quirk. 'Pro-Choice' supporters often defend their view on liberal grounds; freedom of choice for the woman, etc. Yet, it is interesting to see how many, when faced with a liberal argument of choice for the doctor suddenly turn into little fascists. As I have always said, scratch a liberal, see a fascist! (To Americans here, I use 'liberal' in its generally accepted manner not your irregular manner.) all the best urban

Ted, please forgive me for being a bit confused here since I've been away for a couple weeks and therefore have been "out of the loop" when it comes to some of the latest political developments. Is this something new on this issue or is it about the Obama Administration's rescinding of the parts of the Conscience Clause Bush had just added right before leaving office? If it's something totally different and doctors and other health care workers would indeed be forced to perform abortions if it was against their conscience, that's wrong but the changes Obama had made before didn't do that at all. I'm also not sure what you mean by the "Central Committee". On the other hand, I don't think it's acceptable for a health care provider to withhold information from someone just because it's something they don't personally approve of or believe in, such as a pharmacist refusing to dispense birth control or advise a patient of other places she could get it. Bush's expansion of the Conscience Law went far beyond a doctor refusing to perform an abortion. Annie

I am pro-life and I believe that life begins at conception. A fetus and a baby are innocent ones. Is is a shame that abortion is legal in my home country. The government allows abortion up to 24 weeks pregnancy because if it was illegal back street abortions would probably take place. The pro-choice crowd say it is the woman's right to choose and I see many have regrets after their baby has been aborted. I think Obama is pro-choice but I don't know about the beliefs of Pelosi or Reid.

I get it now. I see what your saying, and it does make sense. Really the only argument against what your saying is where would we draw the line? Lets say a Doctor does not condone smokers. They could then, by this line of thought, be allowed to turn away smokers. Or, if we want to kinda get radical... what about a racist Doctor? A Doctor could choose not to see black or hispanics. I see what your saying, and you make alot of sense, so Im not trying to fight here. Just playing devils advocate. Where would the line be drawn if Doctors could pick and choose who they serve? Sometimes, in the line of duty, all people need to put aside our predjiduces, and do what is expected of them. And if we dont perform our jobs, as expected, we should be removed from that position. Especially in such a far reaching public capacity as the medical feild.

I am pro-choice and I really really am. My own daughter was put in a position where she had to make such a choice. She wanted me to give her the answer. I refused. I told her of my experience and then told her to go with her heart. I was ready to support her and be here for her regardless of her choice. I,myself, chose to keep my babies even tho I got pregnant on birth control and in questionable times. That was me and my choice and I gave it much thought before choosing to keep my babies. I was very grateful for the freedom to choose. I also agree that health care officials should be allowed to refuse abortions if in their concious they are against it. In fact I think that a woman that is considering such a dilema should actually talk to doctors on both sides of the fence....should be a requirement as it will better inform her of both sides. Then let her have some time to make her own decision. This is not a light decision and the person wanting the abortion or struggling with it should be given thoughts on both sides of the argument and then time. The Pro-lifers are just as questionable,,,they get pretty violent at times too.

When it boils down to it I agree with you. I think people who say they are prochoice but wouldn't do it themselves inherently know abortion is murder. because otherwise they would consider it an option for themsleves as well, or whatever the reasoning behing them saying why they say it. Personally I view it as a murderous act. I think any health care professional who does this other than for the means of saving the mother's life (as in severe complications to her life) is giong against the hypocratic oath of preserving life. I think this stuff needs to stay out of the governments hands. it helps divide people. I am not saying we need back alley abortion clinics, but we need people to realize that it is not birth control and the healthcare people who work in these clinics need to focus on that. This is not a politically correct view at all, but it is my feelings on the matter. But like I said I think the government should not have any control over anyone even though it happens everyday.