The economy crisis is a LIE. I have proof....

@mommyboo (13174)
United States
April 5, 2009 10:49pm CST
1. If the economy has keeled over dead on its backside, WHY was the mall so stuffed with people today that you couldn't move sideways, even if you wear size 0? 2. If everybody is 'not spending money', why was my grocery store so packed with people that there were lines clogging the cashier area, even though there were 6 lines going? 3. If everybody is broke and doesn't drive because gas costs too much, explain the gigantic lines for gas at every single gas station in town. Also explain to me why at 10 am on a Wed - the traffic is STILL just as bad as 5 pm on a Monday... why aren't all those 'broke' people at WORK? All the proof I see around me speaks much differently than what the government says. People are shopping, people are driving, people are getting their entertainment. I don't know what to tell you. Somebody's lying. Who do you think it is?
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@Hanan_x3 (294)
• United States
6 Apr 09
Well even if the economy is bad, people need to live dont they? Some people have a bunch of debt on them, yet they still spend money. That is wuts causing more debt. I can tell you from experience that even tho they are shopping and having fun, it doesnt mean they are not going under many fininancial situations. Many people spend more than they have. Also look at the poor cities around here. I live in one of the poorest cities. I see how bad the economy can get. And it can get really bad. People are suffering. Maybe not around you, but around the united States. Its a major crisis even if you dont see it around ur area. And maybe the people in the traffic are trying to get to work. Maybe their second job.
• United States
6 Apr 09
I agree Hanan, people do need to live. Most of the things you mentioned are necessities that people are never going to give up. I believe the economy is in a crisis. I see your point also Mommyboo, especially on the entertainment part. I heard movie sales and fast food sales are both up. People aren't as concerned as they should be or maybe they really have the money. One thing I can't understand is why is the Airport always so freaking crowded? This is one luxury I thought people would be giving up, but no. I wish they would! I hate crowded planes and lines.
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@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
6 Apr 09
It just makes me laugh because if everybody was actually so broke, they would have NO money to spend. On anything. As it stands, it does not appear that way at all in my town. My daughter's preschool class (which everybody pays for) is FULL and there is a waiting list. The other classes are FULL. Her ballet class is FULL. Either there are more people who are part of the 'comfortable' or the crisis is a lie. It's plain as that. I don't discount that people carry debt. If you have a mortgage, you carry debt. If you have credit cards, you carry debt. The point is, the majority of people around me including me are not homeless and worried about what - if anything - we will have for lunch shortly. To hear people complaining and the government scare tactics, everybody is homeless, about to be, and ready to steal bread so we don't die of starvation. It is ridiculous.
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@Zo0mZo0m (1357)
• United States
6 Apr 09
What do I think? I think it is a FEAR tactic. Something that are government can hang over our heads to oppress us, keep us bound and control us. That's all it is.
@Zo0mZo0m (1357)
• United States
6 Apr 09
It's so sad that people are being deceived by lies and propaganda, allowing fear to take control causing some to evil do.
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@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
7 Apr 09
Depression itself is a form of control, some people are literally chained by it when it gets ahold of them. This is why I try to avoid negative people and folks who want to pull me down into the gutter, people who talk about 'should' and 'have to' and people who want nothing more than to make everybody around them as miserable as THEY are! My goal is the opposite, I want people around me to be content and happy. Content and happy people don't go about cussing and screaming, stealing things, smacking people, and then getting tossed in jail and given 15 different medications to control them. LOL!
@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
6 Apr 09
Thanks.. I feel somewhere along the lines of that too. That's why I try to avoid hearing all that negative bs.. over and over and over. I do worry from time to time but I pull myself out of it by reminding myself that's all it is. I have friends who are sinking into depression over it!
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@derek_a (10874)
6 Apr 09
Yes, it does make you think. It's the same here in the UK. But the stores are reporting very low takings. I think people are buying what they must have. They must have gas to drive to work, and we all must eat. But it seems that propaganda is having an influence here. Why, I don't know. - Derek
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@derek_a (10874)
7 Apr 09
Yes, I agree. Here in the U.K. they are saying that car sales are down, but there are huge pieces of land allocated where masses amounts of new cars are just sitting there. I have driven past these plots for years, and there's always been a huge stock pile of cars. It's no wonder that many manufacturers have put their workers on short time - there's enough cars ready for sale to keep this area going for years, even if we weren't in a recession. My local garage said that he is very busy as most people are spending for repairs on their cars rather than buying new ones. - Derek
@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
6 Apr 09
Well I realize people are buying LESS. It doesn't mean people aren't buying. There are a lot of fluff stuff I don't buy any more, at the same time, we still could, you know? It just doesn't make sense to me to hear someone talking about how they're worried their power is going to get shut off, they can't get their kid a coat, and they are going to the food bank to get stuff for the week - and yet you find out they bought a car or something! I know that's a stretch of an example but this is the kind of crap I see. It doesn't make sense to buy a car if you are doing that BADLY everywhere else, even if you manage to get financed!
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• United States
6 Apr 09
I think people are still using credit cards to get by.. the economy is in terrible shape but people can't stop what they are used to.. the things that they see as necessary. I just paid off my last credit card and cut it in half..... debt free feels great!
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@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
6 Apr 09
Yeah, that's actually why I'm glad I HAVE some - in case of something horrible happening. I haven't used any of them in awhile but they are there...
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• Philippines
6 Apr 09
your proofs.. that makes me guilty. i know we are under economic crisis but as for my par, i don't want to dwell on that situation. it is better to enjoy life, i am not saying that i am splurging money. but i know my limitations. going to malls, are you sure they are buying stuffs they want? people go there to get cool air. even the world is in crisis, we should not add to the crisis, what i mean is, no matter how bad it is, we should not stop living.
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@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
6 Apr 09
I don't know. I mean I don't go to the mall myself (to spend money) regularly at all any more. Somewhere inbetween being a frequent customer when I was a young teen and then working there as an older teen and then becoming a parent WITH teens... weaned me off the idea that the mall is a fun place at all. Granted I do go sometimes because they have an inside play area and that's it for where I live when the weather is nasty windy or 110 degrees. I do have to see I see multiple people carrying multiple bags of stuff all over, the idea that there are a major amount of people who go there and don't spend money is likely not true. I think they are all spending money. I don't spend much there, even if I'm there at lunch time because my daughter will still share something with me and it's enough. I used to buy her clothes at Mervyns but since Mervyns is gone now, there's not much reason for me to shop there. They have a Payless shoes and I do go there occasionally but there is a stand-alone one near my Target so I honestly don't have reasons to go spend money at the mall. I do think most of the people who do are fairly young, teenagers or people in their 20s. Maybe none of them are disillusioned by the whole crisis thing because they don't see it either.
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• Philippines
7 Apr 09
well, i guess you are right, those people who buy stuffs and does not feel the crisis are those people who are not yet married and does not have responsibilities at home. just like me...
@ktosea (2025)
• China
6 Apr 09
ok,you have your reason and sounds reasonable,but many people are now jobless,how could they have money to buy things if many are jobless in the world.the goverment didn't do a good job yet,but in my view,the recession is true,some minority leaded to the recession and they really should be punished.
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@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
6 Apr 09
Well yes. This happened because of mismanagement by the government, forcing lenders to approve mortgages for people who couldn't qualify to rent a $300 apartment (I dont' know the ins and outs of this but in a nutshell, that's how it started), nobody in government has price frozen ANYTHING, although they did help some by making sure certain utilities had to keep similar prices etc. I'm not sure what to say about the jobless rate, I know it has gone up exponentially BUT I do not see any decrease in spending, no decrease in the mobs of people who are all out SPENDING MONEY during the day, etc.
@34momma (13882)
• United States
6 Apr 09
LOL! i so agree with you. there is a lot going on out there altough they say everyone is broke and no one is working. i have a job and even i am doing my best to save money but not going out, or buying new clothes. the only shopping i have to do is food shopping and even that i am starting to cut down on! i am only getting the things we need and not extras
@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
6 Apr 09
Oh yeah. I am not getting clothes, I don't need any. The only thing I am looking at having to get soon are more shoes for my daughter because her feet are growing again lol. Well and my son just griped about not having any pants. That annoys me because it's not like his pants are 7 bucks... his clothes cost more than 25 bucks per PIECE... he's as tall as my husband!
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@checapricorn (16061)
• United States
6 Apr 09
Hi mommyboo, that is also my observation especially in every restaurant we are eating, it's always crowded and you can't feel the recession but I know these portion of people we have seen is just few of the entire population, so maybe trice of more of these numbers are just staying in the house and saving very hard... ANyway, we heard a lot of laying off and most companies have hiring freeze so it means that we are really experiencing crisis, lucky for the family I guess who are not affected a lot by this!
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@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
6 Apr 09
I know for SURE that the only reason we don't have to wait a long time when we go out for dinner is because we either have just two of us or two of us plus our little one, and so we go ahead of the 'parties of 8' lol. We always choose to not go out Friday night unless we go off-time, like 4:30 or 7 as opposed to going at the dinner hour when there are people milling around outside the restaurant. People DO choose to go to less expensive places though, and it's nice to see the prices coming down too in an effort to get people out.
@bdugas (3578)
• United States
6 Apr 09
Well to begin with it is the first of the month, which means food stamps are out and people are in the grocery stores knee deep. Second welfare checks came out this week, so more people shopping and paying bills, they have to have gas to get where they are going. We get paid once a month and all bills have to be paid on the first few days of the month, so do many other people, so they are out paying what they have to electric, cable, phone, etc. Many of those folks like us sit home the rest of the month, because after the bills are paid and grocerys are bought we have nothing till the next month, so it is an outing for us to get out of the house for a while. We also live in one of the worst cities for jobs. We had about 5 General Motors plants,and now we have none. One factory about 20 miles from us just laid off about 8200 because they took the business overseas. There are lines at the welfare people signing up.So because people are out and about doesn't mean that they are rich and it is because they have to do what is needed on the first of the month, pay bills buy groceries. Many I imagine are just making it. If you have kids then there is always something they need. My daughter goes to Macy's and Khol's and buys off the sale racks. If your area isn't having it as rough as most then I'm happy for you but I have seen too many of the people I know laid off or their company moved out of state or the country, so I know it is bad, and there will always be people that is going to spend no matter what the ecomony is like.
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@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
6 Apr 09
This is not and I repeat NOT relegated to the beginning of the month, the end of the month, around the traditional times people get paid, etc. This is a DAILY occurrence. It is WORSE on Sundays, that is when my local mall is like sardines. It is NOT empty on weekdays though, despite the fact that you'd think people are at work or school. Granted, the three districts near me are all on different spring breaks so for the past 3 weeks and gearing up for this one, there's been at least one district with kids off school. My son was off 2 weeks ago, my daughter is off this week. My neighborhood is EMPTY during the week. I am not the breadwinner so I am home sometimes, but not many other people are. Those who don't work full time work part time or are just NOT HOME. You must live in Michigan? My state can hardly compare with that, I feel SO bad for people who have depended on the auto industries to raise a family. I do have a friend whose husband took a severance package/layoff, and the only reason they made it was because she started working 3 jobs to supplement it. He was able to take care of the boys, so they could avoid daycare. Otherwise they would have been in trouble because two of the boys aren't even in school yet.
@sid556 (30960)
• United States
7 Apr 09
Good question momyboo! I do believe the economy is bad for many. It is for me but then again even in good times, I have struggled to get by. I did take my daughter to the mall as she had some $ she had saved from xmas and birthday. I thought the same thing....wow..some people are just shopping like there is no problem in the economy. Then I thought...well, I'm here too. The grocery store? Well, regardless of how bad it gets...we have to eat. Maybe more people are figuring out that cooking at home is cheaper than eating out?? You would see me out and about at 10am on any given day. That is because I work 2nd shift and I do my errands etc during the day hours. Also, let's not forget that zillions of people are laid off from work. They may be struggling but they still need to go out looking for work and do errands. And you are right....there are still those that are spending money unbelievably as if there is not a problem in the world. These are probably young people still living at home and not paying rent or the wealthier ones that haven't felt the pinch of it yet.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
8 Apr 09
To quote you: The grocery store? Well, regardless of how bad it gets...we have to eat. Maybe more people are figuring out that cooking at home is cheaper than eating out?? How true that is. I think a lot of people are opting to buy foods from a grocery store and cook all their own meals now rather than go out to restaurants. Many restaurants are failing now due to lack of customers. And a few restaurants are even starting a policy of "pay what you wish"--even if it's only ten cents...can you believe that? Just recently in the news was that Balducci's is closing its stores..that was an historic "icon" almost here in NYC area...Forget how long the stores were opened but seemed they're been around forever.
• Philippines
6 Apr 09
Good day... You have a point but you were just stating the basic needs of ordinary people, their basic spending. The real question is how much are they earning? How much are unemployed. In the business side how many business man are venturing to new businesses as compared to those business man who packed up?
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@PrarieStyle (2486)
• United States
6 Apr 09
I don't see any change either. It may be years before we see and feel the affects of the Obama administrations huge overspending.
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@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
6 Apr 09
I'm just glad that Obama will be gone in 4 years. He will. I am not worried about that. I do think that things are going to be dismal for much longer than 4 years but there will be a fix to come.
@rtslvtwy (1088)
• Malaysia
6 Apr 09
People still need to get through their daily lives. They still need to buy groceries and buy their basic necessities for home. That is why malls and groceries stores are still as usual except that they have to lower their prices to attract more people to come and buy. Gas for the transportation is still required unless the public transportation is able to replace it.
@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
6 Apr 09
Well... I often have to wonder about something. And this has been happening for years, not just now with the economy downturn. My kids have friends whose parents constantly 'have no gas' or 'no money for gas' or 'their car is broken' blah blah blah. This is the story I get from the kids. Now these people - when I meet them - live in similar houses, similar neighborhoods. They are nice people, employed, etc. I see no reason for them to 'never have gas money' etc. These people ask ME to drive their kids around ie pick them up or drive them home because they 'can't'. If I DARE ask for them to bring my kid home or something, then they cry that they are POOR and want me to give them gas money! I felt like saying 'look lady, gas costs ME four bucks a gallon, JUST like it costs you. I see no reason why I have the four bucks to buy it and you don't when we clearly have similar economic situations'. My husband and I put our foot down awhile back and decided we are not these kids' parents, so we won't be driving them everywhere, if their parents are so 'broke' then maybe their kids should not be coming across town and then getting stranded... I feel bad but since I don't go about saying 'I need five dollars from you because I drove your kid 2 miles', I feel like I'm not the one taking advantage.
@CJscott (4187)
• Portage La Prairie, Manitoba
6 Apr 09
And if the economy is so bad then why did no less then THREE new businesses open up in the nearest town to my house? That is many new jobs for all the people. The recession is over!! And those that do not believe this, are the ones who will be losing their jobs and getting in deeper debt, believe it is over and things will begin to improve for everybody. The Media always blows things out of proportion, heck, I just got a pay increase at my work, so the economy can't be bad at all.
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@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
6 Apr 09
See, I know there are problems but as far as filtered down to a personal level? Not really. I don't know if it's because of the area I live in, the city I live in, the state I live in - but I hear that California is broke and all sorts of other things but I don't SEE it. You'd think that if this were really the huge threat people claim it is, we would all see it. I don't see people behaving ANY different than in the decade of excess... 20 years ago. Obviously I'm not out buying multiple flat screen plasma tvs and I don't usually carry more than 40 bucks in my wallet but if my kids are hungry and it's lunch time, we are not trudging around town with nothing. We're probably in the car at the drive thru, know what I mean?
@sedel1027 (17846)
• Cupertino, California
8 Apr 09
I feel the same way. People are constantly at places like Best Buy and going out to eat Doesn't look like many folks are being hit too hard thats for sure. I do live in a state that really has not been hit by the bad economy yet though.
@soulist (2985)
• United States
9 Apr 09
I think there are problems with the economy and if something isn't done we can get worse. There are lines at gas station because people need gas to get to work. Some people could be traveling for work on the highways or looking for work such as i am. grocery stores are packed because people still need to eat of course.
@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
8 Apr 09
Well I guess it's different where you are but the bad economic signs of the times is a real reality here. I happen to live in a neighborhood with a lot of shops, but all too many are closing down since the owners don't have money for the ever increasing rents the greedy landlords of the stores keep asking, and we're talking about the good old fashioned mom and pop type stores. And yikes you know business is bad if a 99-cents store closes down. I also ask some of the store owners that are still running their business how business is doing and all say the same thing, "Not good." As far as shopping malls...well there is one kind of near me but haven't been there in ages, but I'm guessing if a mall is still crowded many are still relying on credit cards to get things. As far as cars/gas/driving. Since I live in a heavy populated urban type area most people rely on public transportation rather than use their cars. The neighbors next door are a perfect example of how they've cut down on driving. The woman is a nurse and her husband used to drive her to work, then pick her up later when she was ready to go home. To save money, she now takes the subway.
@cynthiann (18602)
• Jamaica
8 Apr 09
My son got laid off along with 1399 other employess int he USA. My daughter lost her job as jobs are to be given to US citizens only. My DIL also lost her job. I have friends who have walked away from their homes as the mortgage is worth more than the house. Perhaps this will help you make up your mind as to whom is lying. Blessings
@ip5217 (1655)
• Philippines
9 Apr 09
I don't know if everyone will agree with me. There is no recession. All these are results of Globalization. You see money is spent not just in our own respective countries. For instance, overseas workers would tend to save their income and send it to their families in their home country. Outsourcing is another factor why money is distributed to other countries, particularly surviving nations. The point of the matter is, right now people should learn how to live a lifestyle that they can afford. Debts and mortgages that you can't afford will drown you if you don't know how to handle it.
@Bloggership (1104)
• Indonesia
8 Apr 09
The economic crisis is only for them who has a big companies that going to bankrupt.