Should teachers be held accountable for the students performance

@ronnyb (6113)
Jamaica
April 8, 2009 12:16pm CST
The government her eon the island at one point suggested a kind of pay per performance scheme that would hopefully set the precedence for what obtains in other government agencies. Now there are two schools of thought where this matter is concerned. Firstly this will serve as motivation for teachers to do their best to ensure .Now another school of thought is that how far can these already overburdened teachers do when the students themselves are being bombarded by so many issues that takes away from their focus on a daily basis. The issues that I am talking about is overcrowding ,in our classroom the teacher pupil ratio is often 1 to greater than fifty and these might not necessarily be the smartest children. In addition many of them are coming from poverty stricken communities where they can hardly find meals and even worse books. Then finally the major stakeholders, their parents work so many jobs and rarely spend time to ensure that these children are doing their homework. And one last major detractor is that the schools are poorly equipped to disseminate information ,lacking even the most basic facilities. Now based on the issues I have raised ,do you believe in performance pay for teachers in this situation ? Or do you believe in performance pay but then there are extenuating circumstances and if so state what are these extenuating circumstances ?
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@Canellita (12029)
• United States
8 Apr 09
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Teachers can only do so much. The students have to be willing to work and the parents need to be involved. That said, programs that reward the K-12 teachers who are committed to teaching, who inspire and encourage and who consistently achieve real results with their students, should most certainly exist in every education system across the planet. Many other professions offer performance based incentives. Why shouldn't teachers be rewarded for their hard work that extends well beyond the bounds of the school day. Teachers put in additional hours in the evenings and on weekends grading papers, organizing materials, and developing lesson plans. Anyone doing an exemplary job should definitely be rewarded.
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@ronnyb (6113)
• Jamaica
9 Apr 09
You have given a fairly balanced view of this issue.I agree with you that teachers cant do it alone and many persons seem to forget that aspect when they levy heavy criticisms on the teachers.That said however teachers who are commited should be rewarded .Thank you for your response
@skyla26 (284)
• Philippines
9 Apr 09
I think the teachers are not accountable for the students performance because the teachers are teaching the good values and helping the child to improve their knowledge and skills but it's up for the child to implied with the skills that the child learned
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• Italy
9 Apr 09
Thats what they got paid for. I think teacher should not be overburden with large number of students in a class. Students should be a small group and then teachers would be responsible for their performance.
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@sanuanu (11235)
• India
9 Apr 09
To some extend teacher is responsible for student's performance but after that limit a teacher can't do anything. You pointed out child who can not afford books then how much a teacher can contribute to it. S/he can't buy books for every student. I don't think teacher should be penalized for every students.
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• China
9 Apr 09
i think the key to success is the students themselves. i can't say that teachers needn't held accountable for the students performance. teachers just offer the students an opportunity, students need to gasp it and improve himself.
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@snow_one (202)
• United States
9 Apr 09
i would have to say a little bit of both. i mean some times it is not all teachers fault that either their students don't care or don't try. and some times that school may lack the nessasary funds to buy the material needed to be studied to help impove test scores. on the other hand some teachers just don't care and let their students do whatever and let them pass. personally i like the chanege.
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• United States
9 Apr 09
You know the teachers do the best they can do. What with the class rooms being overcrowded. If a student doesn't have the advantages of some of the more well to do students than they already have a handicap when they walk through the school doors. So no matter what the teacher does it is going to be harder to teach these children. I don't believe in performance pay because there are too many different things that can effect the performance of the student. It would be unfair for teachers to be held accountable. The parents are the ones who should be held accountable. They should be the ones to ensure that homework is done and that the children are doing what they are supposed to be doing.
@amirev777 (4117)
• India
9 Apr 09
hi i think only the teachers shud not be blamed for students performance.a lot depends upon the student as well.after all its the student who will be finally appearing for the exam and his performance depends upon his IQ and amount of hard work that he has put-yes a good teacher will help him prepare better and will make him understand the subject faster.
@ANTIQUELADY (36440)
• United States
8 Apr 09
what a sad situation for everybody concerned. i'm sorry that the school stystem has so many problems & not enought people to handles them. everyone gets chested that way, teachers & students. it must be really hard on the teachers that really want to teach & the students that really want to learn. you are so smart is that the way your school was? not mean to be asking personal questions but think u have done very well.
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@gadnynj (74)
• Bayonne, New Jersey
9 Apr 09
In the past, many school districts hired individuals that relied on these issues; you highlighted, and as a result many of proposed steering children (especially inner city children) into vocational education instead of academics. Parents where not even told that their children where not in academic educational program. Then school districts where given the option of setting the curriculum as well. As a result American children lacked behind other countries in academic achievement. Mainly many African American, and immigrant children lost out in education and opportunities in high paying employment. Although it is true that many children face daunting situations at home, schools should be an escape, a safe haven, for these children, don't you think? Also, it is at school, that prepared individual can identify and address these issues, and find the help that these families need, through other government agencies. Now that the Federal mandate of "No Child Left Behind" is implemented through out all 50 states; basically a national standard, every child has an equal hand and opportunity in education. The results are improvements in standarize state wide examination is Math, English, Science and Social Studies. Teacher must be certified whether through the traditional route or the alternate route in becoming teachers. Schools must notify parents if their child's classroom is equipted with a certified teacher or if a teacher lacks certification; in the case of a substitute teacher filling in for a long term absentee of a classroom teacher. Also, states must provide core curriculum for every subject to the Federal Government that meets that of the national standard. In addition there is no excuse, even with difficult problematic students with special needs, for that child must be tested for special education, within 30 days of the request. So, we have with the "No Child Left Behind" a win, win situation. Now, I know that this program does not provide additional financial resources to school districts for the implementation of the mandate, yet, much too much money was being spent with no good outcome. Now, with the money that is already set in place, each state must provide results. Finally, many individuals that earn an education degree and or who become teachers have the opinion that the education acquire is sufficent and stop at that. When in fact, teachers should continually upgrade through continuation of higher education. There is no excuse for teachers to fail, when their class room is full of normal physically healthy children. With Special Education students, the progress may be less evident, but even these should be given a chance. No more should schools obtain individuals as teachers who discriminate against children, because of their ethnicity, race, religion, or wealth. In many other countries, poverty exist, trama exist, lack of nutrition exist and children strive in education. There is no excuse for teachers to fail their students; with so much free available information available on the internet. All one has to do is goggle "Core Curriculum", or "Grammer" or "Sentance Structure", or "Multiplication", or "Subtraction" or "Division", etc., and every link available on that subject will be there for teachers access, and there are many. I do believe that the pay scale for teachers should rise. However, traditionally, teaching is a passion driven by a desire to help others. On the other hand, teachers' income should allow for comfortable living. In New York City, teachers may qualify for housing voucher and a host of other incentives. Then again, teachers in New York city must acquire a Master's Degree in a time line, and do not receive a permanent certification until a series of test have been passed and a Master Degree is provided. In New Jersey, one must meet a GPA requirement, a number of college credits on the subject, from a four year accredited college and or university, must pass a Praxis II test in the subject or age group; or both, pass a hygience and physiology 30 true or false question test, and have a Bachelor degree. Then they must go through a provisional certification program while they teach for a least two years before they receive the Standard Certificate, which is permanent is the teacher is a US citizen; if not they get two renewals of five years each on their Certificate of Eligibility (so that these Permenant Legal Resident have sufficent time to obtain citizenship), which is the first of the three step certifications to teach, in the State of New Jersey. www.state.nj.us/education Link to Licensure and Credentials in the overview window for more information. All children have the potential to exceed.
@paula27661 (15811)
• Australia
9 Apr 09
A teacher's job is not an easy one and because it is so very important I want to say before anything else that they are probably not paid adequately and that seems to be the situation in my country anyway. Here in Australia a lot of people take teaching for granted and imagine it to be a job with short hours and long holidays and I believe it is an occupation that, although very rewarding, can be frustrating especially when resources are so limited and classes are overcrowded. A teacher can only do his or her best and I don't think they should be the only ones held accountable for the students’ performance because of the restrictions you have mentioned and surely parents have to be responsible. There are those fine teachers that go beyond what is required, my daughter is currently being taught by one of these exceptional people; they are the ones who are born teachers and care and give so much of themselves to their students and in my opinion they are the ones that should be acknowledged, rewarded and commended. Along with parenting teaching would have to be one of the most challenging and crucial jobs.
@lynnemg (4529)
• United States
9 Apr 09
I think that teachers should be paid accoeding to their own performance. They cannot guarantee that every child will do well, but they can guarantee that they will do whatever is within their power to try to help each child do well and perform to the best of that child's ability. Many teachers may be teaching in poverty stricken areas, but, where there is a will there's a way. Maybe books are hard to come by, but there is always paper and pencil, chalk and chalk board. It may take creative measures to teach, but it is possible, nd thise kids can excel as much as the kids that are wealthy. I think that all it takes is a good teacher who isn't afraid to go back to the old ways of teaching, and one who really cares about the kids.
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• India
12 Apr 09
Hello my friend ronnyb Ji, I see multi-issues in your discussions. Govt wants that there should be additional motivation to be taken by teachers under all above conditions and let teachers do their best part , so that, they roll out higher percentage of passed students. I think it is good idea. All other problems sited by you need corrective actions by individual and Govt/School administration etc timely to support education system in any place. May God bless you and have a great time.
@mhil84 (182)
• Philippines
9 Apr 09
Well every person is unique, we have different beliefs and way of thinking. The Teacher is just there for guidance and teach whatever they need to do with their students, and so i don't think the Teacher should be held responsible for their student performances it still vary with the individuals, if the student is really motivated and works hard and have the interest to learn, a student would perform better with the aid of the teacher, its like a "Give and Take Relationships" Its not only The Teacher who needs to work but as well as its students.
@ulalume (713)
• United States
8 Apr 09
They should not be viewed exclusively as the only problem. Sometimes you can have a great teacher but extremely lazy students. I take for example my statistics professor I have at the moment. He is a great teacher, but he can only do so much when some students won't even show up for class or turn in assignments. He even says to us "90 percent of life is just showing up." Students these days are just geniunely lazy. Not just lazy once in a while, but lazy all of the time. I don't think pay should be directly related to how kids perform. Some students just don't do well on tests, even if they understand the material. Some students just can't grasp math, no matter how much they practice. These are all examples from my own life. I am a good student, but no matter how much I work somethings I just can not grasp and some methods of being tested just do not work for me. I do however think if a teacher is doing well and his students give him good "reviews", then the school should take this into consideration and give him a raise. Teachers are paid piss poor as it is. An average in my area is about 40k a year. That is mediocre considering these people spend a lot of their time inside and outside of the classroom working, as well as the fact that they basically teach and to some degree train individuals who will grow up to be doctors (or whatever profession). I mean, take away the teachers in the world and no one will get anywhere.
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