Obama to sign public service bill

United States
April 21, 2009 7:58am CST
Obama is suppost to sign the public service bill into law sometime today. THe wording in the bill does not make it mandatory. But there may be a restriction put on public schools....meaning...require the kids to do public service as part of the cirriclum or the school won't get any federal funds. We will wait and see how that goes. Personally I think that should cause a law suit from the parents because the school does not have the right to dictate non school hour activities to a student. That is a partents job. But anyway. IT is signed, the billions will be spent. Do you see it doing any good? Will it cause massive amounts of people to volunteer. Although you can't really call it volunteering sence they will be getting paid. Tell me what you think.
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@murderistic (2278)
• United States
21 Apr 09
So we can teach our students about evolution and war but we can't teach them how to serve others? I think it is a great idea, as long as students choose the type of service they do.
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• United States
21 Apr 09
but they should also get to choose if they do it at all. If not it is just forced labor and not really volunteering. If you getting paid for it is a job not volunteering. volunteering to giving without exspecting to recieve in return. Doing it just because it is a good thing to do...not because someone pays you or forces you. Yes it is a good thing to teach your children to help out in the community. But that is the parents responsibility. Not the schools or governments. This is just another example of both overstepping themselves again. Plus I have issues with tax payer money being used to pay for it. These "volunteers" are now just government employees. Because the government is paying them to do it.
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• United States
21 Apr 09
I know you love me annie. I love you too. I do not take anything you say when we disagree as a personal attack. As for what you said....why should the rest of us pay for those kids to go to college? Not my kid, not my responsibility. It may sound cold but it is the truth. There are tons of grants, loans, scholarships...etc... My parents could not afford for me to go to college so I got student loans. I paid them off after I graduated. It took a long time to pay it back. But I did it. There are plenty of opporunities for kids to go to college. If they apply themselves, make good grades and are willing to pay it off when they get out. If people want to do volunteer work thats great. But they should do it because they want to help their community. Not because they want to get money. Then it is not volunteering. Plus it is at the expense of the tax payers. We are footing the bill for all this you know. I do not agree with people being paid for volunteer work AT ALL. I agree with Obama's idea. I just do not agree with how he is going about it. He wants people to volunteer more within their own communities. Ok. Well instead of spending billions of dollars, he could do some commericals about (maybe get a few celebrities to volunteer to do a few commericals too) volunteering. Tell them about how they can volunteer and where to go to do it (talk about his volunteer website). Talk about it in his speeches.Get some of his buddies in the media to talk about it. There...job done. People know about volunteering and where they can go to volunteer. Now I just saved the US tax payer a few billion dollars and Obama still got his idea out to the public. Most of all it should not be mandatory. Not for adult or children. I know some school are already making it a requirement for graduation and I think that is wrong. Volunteering is a choice.
@jonesy123 (3950)
• United States
23 Apr 09
A kid can earn $500 towards a college education. Parents, grandparents, others $1,000 each. Now, how is that supposed to pay for college? Annie, have you had a look at what a college education costs nowadays? If I read that correctly, it's not cumulative as in you can earn $500 each year, but a one time deal. Just considering how much time is put in to 'earn' that money... 100 service hours plus training camp... It's less than minimum wage.
@missybal (4491)
• United States
21 Apr 09
I'd be one of those parents who would file that law suit. Part of the reason why I plan to home school... here they want to make slaves out of our children. There is something so cult like that the funding for our child's education is used to bate public schools to do this administrations bidding. It's a slippy slop we are on. It may seem so innocent and like such a great idea but I don't see it that way.
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• United States
21 Apr 09
Me too. I am one of those parents that would file the lawsuit too. I am waiting to see what happens sence I could not stop the bill. But I am not about to let the government or the schools dictate what my child is going to do with their time. That is my job. Your right about it being slave labor. My kid can not get a job. It is against child labor laws. Even a 5 hours a month job. SO why should it be required that he do volunteer "work". IT seems child labor laws would apply here too.
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@dvmurphy (326)
• United States
23 Apr 09
Home schooling is all ready a target of the Obama presidency and if they have their way...and they probably will Home schooling will be outlawed to. I am on the fence with home schooling but I don't have children at home anymore either.
@missybal (4491)
• United States
23 Apr 09
Depending on where you live there are places you do not want to send your kids to school because the schools have gotton so dangerous. I'm all for home schooling. I went to several different schools and some were really challenging but most had teachers who didn't care about their students and dumb down the lessons so everyone passed to make themselves look like they could teach. I know I can do a better job with my kids than teachers who don't care. My husband went to a bad school and even something as simple and handwriting skills he didn't get the proper help with and his mother was no help so he still struggles. Home schooled kids get better grades and advance further IF they have the right parent who cares enough to take the time and also takes care to involve them in social activities with other kids like scouts or Vacation Bible school. They should not take this right away from parents. I do think they should do more testing on Home schooled kids because some parents don't do what they should, and in these cases they should check in and not just take the grades the parent says they get.
@bestboy19 (5481)
• United States
27 Apr 09
I think it would be great if that stipulation was put in the bill. Not because I think children should do public service, but because I would like to see local school systems stop getting federal money. Maybe it would cause our local school systems to rethink how they use the money they get from local taxes. Perhaps more of it would go into the public school system and less into the superintendents and school boards pockets. The federal government started putting money into public schools in the 1950's and ever since then, the quality of education has gone down. We allowed the federal government to take over our public schools and look what happened. Now they're trying to do it with the banking industry. Next thing you know, they'll be coming into our homes telling us how to live. We should always remember that the federal government never gives anybody anything. There's always a catch.
• United States
5 May 09
Wether or not children do community service is up to the child and his or her parents. Not hte government.
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@gewcew23 (8010)
• United States
21 Apr 09
This is why every parent should pull their child at of those government education camps and start home schooling them. Are not their children worth it? It is the parents job to educate their child not some government employee with an agenda.
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• United States
5 May 09
you are completely right.
@bdugas (3581)
• United States
21 Apr 09
I have 2 grand daughters that are both in ROTC, they are out in the streets every weekend doing community services, mostly helping the elderly or sick clean up their property or what ever they need done. And I THInk it shows them that we all need to help others. I am all for it. But if a 15 year old is not allowed a work permit for a job that they want to do over the summer because of labor laws how can they make it manidatory for them to work at other jobs. Soem don't want to do volunteer work, how are you going to force a child to go to work they dont' want to do.Soem are off on weekends with parents that are absent from the home, so they will have to spend their time doing volunteer work, instead of spending time with the parent. Once a child does his hours in school all week, what they do afterwards is their or the parents business. I think the government is getting way too deep into our private lives. Some kids have to stay home on the weekends and baby sit the younger ones so the parents can work. Volunteer work is work you want to do and get enjoyment out of, when they start forcing it on people the fun is not there anymore.
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• United States
5 May 09
I agree.
@jonesy123 (3950)
• United States
21 Apr 09
I don't think it'll have a great impact. There are already so many volunteers doing stuff in hospitals, libraries, churches, habitat for humanity and whatever else. Those people will apply for the money to go to their own education, their kids' education, or grandkids.... anyhow, I don't see a great bump. I have a Kindergartener and a 2nd grader, who do community service type of projects through church. That will get more the older they get. I have to wonder, if those projects will count. If not, I'll see an impact as kids will shift their focus on those projects that will give them the education dollars. But isn't there a max as to how much can be earned per person? I just don't see much of an increase. What I'll foresee will be a lot of people signing off on volunteer work that might actually not have been done or not with so many hours, just so the kid gets the money. There are easier ways to earn, what is it, $500 for 100 hours?
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• United States
21 Apr 09
yep. THey could earn more money actually going out and getting a part time job instead of doing the project.
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@anniepa (27279)
• United States
21 Apr 09
He's about to sign it right now as I write this. I couldn't find anything about a restriction put on public schools. What I did find is that this is an expansion of AmeriCorps which was begun by President Clinton and has been very successful. I think this is an example of money well-spent. The bill ties volunteer work to money for college. I like that older Americans can $1,000 education awards by getting involved in public service and that those awards can be transferred to a child, grandchild or even someone they mentored. Also students from sixth grade through senior year of high school will be able to earn a $500 education award for helping in their neighborhoods during a new summer program. My grandkids are already interested in getting involved. I know lots of people my age who are also interested. This was a totally bipartisan bill and I can't really think of anything bad about it. Anything that can help keep young people active and involved in their community as well as help them be able to afford an education is a good thing, in my opinion. It's not mandatory so nobody will be forced to volunteer but the opportunity will be there for those who are interested. Annie
• United States
22 Apr 09
No is being forced...yet. We will see if they put strings on it for hte public schools to make it mandatory to recieve federal funding. But our tax dollars are going to pay them. Which is not right. I am sorry annie but I do not think I or anyone else should have to pay for someone to do volunteer work. The federal government does not produce anything. All their money comes from us tax payers. So therefore any money they spend is ours. WIth the shape we are in right now....do we really need to spend billions on this? No. THere are plenty of otehr ways for those kids to go to college without robbing the tax payers to do it.
@jonesy123 (3950)
• United States
23 Apr 09
Annie, a lot of people get involved without getting paid for it. Now, if you are in it for the money for college, you are better off having your kid work at McDs or something. Just think about it, $500 for 100 hours plus training camp... that's less than minimum wage. Others can earn it for their kids, grandkids... but also only once it seems. Now, where exactly should that help to send people to college? Have you looked at the price of education nowadays? Furthermore, a lot of kids already do public service stuff, but probably not all will fall under this new service bill, such as church related work. Now, kids need that stuff on their college applications. Just saying, it's not like they didn't do anything with their life, but they do it year around using the summer to earn money the conventional way. I think this should be something they should choose to do. As of now it's officially a choice but it's already set in a way that it can be forced by school districts because school district participation is tied to the school district getting federal money. And school districts will find a way to enforce it to get the money.
@spalladino (17921)
• United States
21 Apr 09
As I've already posted before, both Maryland and Florida required community service hours for public school students in order to qualify for graduation. My oldest daughter performed her hours at the college I worked for, helping students in the open computer labs back in 1997. My youngest, who graduated this past spring from a high school in Florida, had to complete community service hours as well. Don't get me wrong, I have never been in support of this, but apparently the Board Of Education in some states already does have the right to dictate non school hour activities to some extent. If more school systems require it then, yes, it will increase the number of young people doing some form of public service and in many areas there is a real need so, yes, it will do some good. I wonder if my daughters can be retroactively paid for their hours?
• United States
21 Apr 09
They don't here. ANd if htey start I will fight them, in court if need be. THe schools are over stepping their bounds. IS community service good. Yes. But it is no longer volunteer when you are forced to do it.
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@spalladino (17921)
• United States
21 Apr 09
Many states have had this in place for over 15 years now but I've never heard anything about any parents fighting back in court so I wish you a lot of luck if you do choose to fight it. I would imagine though that there have been challanges and that those challanges have been defeated. It seems that, just as a school system can require students to do homework, they can require them to perform community service hours. I do agree with you in that it's not volunteering if you're forced into it though.
@flowerchilde (12534)
• United States
22 Apr 09
I just knew there had to be a catch.. even after they left out the word mandatory..
• United States
5 May 09
you knew there would be one.
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@K46620 (1994)
• United States
22 Apr 09
This is just another instance where the government continues to dictate our lives and tell us how our time is to be spent. Regardless of possible benefits it is just another step away from our freedoms.
• United States
5 May 09
i agree.
@patms1 (522)
• United States
22 Apr 09
Sounds to me like he is getting our kids ready to work for the state. I quess he's been read Chinese history. What next?
• United States
5 May 09
who knows. But I think we will find out soon enough.
@ParaTed2k (22977)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
22 Apr 09
Let's see, $5.7 billion for 210,000 Americorp Volunteers... what does that come to, $27k per "volunteer"?
• United States
22 Apr 09
why oh why are we paying the tax payer having to pay people to volunteer? And why is it the federal governments job to pay them? Can anyone explain this to me?
@PrarieStyle (2488)
• United States
21 Apr 09
Oh yes, the mandatory, voluntary bill. I have heard about this. Good luck forcing children to care about others.. I work at a nursing home and we have a hard enough time hiring staff that cares about the residents much less having a bunch of teens there who are being forced to go. I wonder if President Obamas daughters will be forced to voluntary serve...
• United States
5 May 09
ya but only to make daddy look good.
• United States
27 Apr 09
I think it depends on the individual's point of view. Some will think it's a wonderful bill just because Obama signed it into law. Others will think it's just the Federal government trying to control another aspect of our lives. Still others will continue to serve the public for the public good just because they believe it's the right thing to do and it won't matter to them if the President signed a Public Service bill or not.
@Casey23 (20)
• United States
21 Apr 09
Well, I would like to see some changes made to that. Public service, I don't think is a good idea, but what about the kids helping with chores to be done at the school. Instead of having to have a full time custodian, how about the kids sweep the hall ways, wash the windows. I wouldn't want them to have to clean the potties but maybe the smaller things that would save money on a full time custodian.