Will the 22nd amendment be abolished and term limits ended?

@dragon54u (31636)
United States
May 1, 2009 10:45pm CST
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=hj111-5 Democrat Jose Serano has proposed once again that term limits be abolished. That would include the office of the president. Evidently, he's tried to get this passed a number of times. Do you think it will pass this time? Why would anyone want to abolish term limits? Frankly, I think that nobody should be allowed to serve more than one term in any elected office--the founding fathers never meant for politics to be a career.
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@Aussies2007 (5336)
• Australia
2 May 09
Politic is a career... And becoming President is the pinnacle of that career. I don't feel that it is necessary to have terms limits. You still have elections between terms. As long as people get off their bum and vote... you can kick him out any time you like. Of course now... if you suspect that your elections are not totally democratic... and some hanky panky is going on behind close doors... then it could be a worry... as you would never get him out of there. And most Presidents manage to serve their whole terms... Don't they? It might be a worry. lol What you have to remember is that... this wonderful constitution of yours... gives the same rights to the President than to the rest of you. Freedom to do whatever he likes. lol
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@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
2 May 09
A few points that need adressing. Politics here was NEVER suposed to be a career, it is an act of service. In fact, in my state's government, our legislators only get a few hundred bucks a year and have regular jobs, THIS is how I would like to see congress run, it was the way it used to be and was originaly intended. AS far as the president being able to do what ever he wants, yes, he has the same freedoms as we do, but he also has by that same constitution, the very strict limits placed on his authority as president.
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• Australia
2 May 09
Ask yourself this... Why would anyone works his butt off to run the country for a few hundred bucks... so that you can do your 8 hours shift and earn thousand? That sound more like communism than capitalism. It makes no sense whatsoever. In Australia... if we don't pay our politicians... They leave politic and get themselve a cosy job in private entreprises with a much higher salary.
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@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
2 May 09
"Why would anyone works his butt off to run the country for a few hundred bucks... so that you can do your 8 hours shift and earn thousand?" because they have the desire to serve their country, that should be the sole motivating factor, when your in it as a carreer with high saleries and perks, your no longer serving the people your serving your own career and will likely do anything you can to preserve it. If you want to make a fortune and have all those perks, get a job on wallstreet or as an IT tech. I would have no problem with it, in fact I'm seriously considering a run next year in my state government, as a represenative. Pretty easy to do in this state. "That sound more like communism than capitalism." no, it sounds like citizen government, exactly as it was intended. "It makes no sense whatsoever." it does to a people who desire not to live under an authoritarian government. "In Australia... if we don't pay our politicians... They leave politic and get themselve a cosy job in private entreprises with a much higher salary." and your country AND mine would be all the better for it, good riddence to them.
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@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
2 May 09
Of course he wants the term limits abolished, then Obama can be president for as long as he wants. That is what the democrats want and that will mean a dictatorship. And it will probably pass unless someone stops it. We have been warned that Obama was dangerous and an all Democratic congress, house, and senate is disasterous. Can you say facism?
@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
3 May 09
It is what happens now that I am concerned about. Now that there is Obama and being the first part black president even though he may have gotten it ilegally, they may abolish the term limit because they do not want to appear to be racist. And I blame the media and their deciding that African Americans can first do not wrong, are morally better, and whatever they say goes, and they have the authority now, for this rather then it did not matter where you came from or your class, in America you could all succeed.
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@dragon54u (31636)
• United States
2 May 09
The bill has been defeated every time the senator proposed it but we have never had the hysteria of hero worship that we have now. I hope it's defeated again and I don't know why it's ever seriously entertained. We are on a very dangerous path, chosen by voters who want a government that will take care of them so that they won't have to be responsible for themselves.
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@dragon54u (31636)
• United States
3 May 09
That reminds me of a pet peeve of mine...I don't think there should be hyphenated Americans! If you're a citizen, you're an American. You're not Irish American, African American, Polish American--you're AMERICAN!!!
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@bobmnu (8157)
• United States
2 May 09
If he wants to change the US Constitution then lets have a constitutional convention and let the people decide. Term limits only apply to the office of the President. I say change it to include the Congress and Judges. Let us have a yes or no vote on judges. Looking at some of the riduculus decisions by judges some of them need to be removed.
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@dragon54u (31636)
• United States
3 May 09
I think it's high time we had a constitutional convention! It's about the only way we're going to get back control of our country.
• United States
3 May 09
Obama is just the latest puppet in this charade that our government has turned into. I think he came into this situation actually thinking he might have some imput. But he was retrained quickly, in order to be allowed to play the part. And he has obviously accepted the part. When they get us in a situation to allow them to declare marshall law, the last of our rights will be ripped away. And he, or someone else as clueless, will be put in the puppet dictatorship position. I think that is why they have been changing all these laws, that have been protecting us from the sociopaths in office. So far they haven't found what it will take to knock us to our knees...but they aren't done with their bag of tricks, so we have to stay on guard. There are evil powers so much greater than our piss poor government that is really mapping out the worlds future.
@Latrivia (2878)
• United States
2 May 09
We need fresh minds. Term limits ensure that the idiotic voter base doesn't keep electing the same morons to the same position. I would actually like to see more term limits, instead of less.
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@dragon54u (31636)
• United States
2 May 09
I would like to see more term limits, too. Those people get in congress or the senate and become parasites, getting elected term after term and laughing at the idiots that voted them in again.
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@katran (585)
• United States
2 May 09
I'm with you, Dragon. Not only do I oppose an end to term limits, I support the notion of adding term limits to the offices that don't have them yet, such as congress. I think the fact that there are no term limits on congressmen is the single biggest problem with our government today. Our congressmen are barely held accountable for the decisions they make, because it is highly likely that they will keep getting elected over and over and over again no matter what they do. Almost all incumbents are elected. People probably don't even research their candidates anymore - just vote for the guy who is already there or the guy that has the right letter after his name. Unfortunately, I don't think we will ever have term limits in congress, because what congressmen would vote to end his own career sooner?
@dragon54u (31636)
• United States
2 May 09
I think the only way to get term limits in would be to call a constitutional convention. You have to have a certain number of states calling for it and I may misunderstand the concept but I think the people could get something done that way. While we're at it, we could restructure the tax system.
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@coolcoder (2018)
• United States
2 May 09
I knew this would come up sooner or later. Obama's just the type to make himself permanent Dictator-In-Chief, a la Hugo Chavez. We can only pray that once again, this bill fails to become reality.
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@dragon54u (31636)
• United States
2 May 09
I'm not sure Mr. Obama had anything to do with it but I don't think he would object too much.
@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
2 May 09
Hello Dragon, I certainly hope that the bill gains no traction this time around ... either. Though, we can't rule out any legislative initiatives with the current D.C. reality of one party-rule, equating to zero checks and balances of ideological leanings. Let us remember that certain state Congressional term limits were only overturned 13 years ago, in 1995. Still, the citizen clammor for term limits is as much a reality now as ever. For those who'd like to explore the issue further, below is a link to a site which may be of interest. http://www.termlimits.org/ According to polling done by the CATO institute, "Some 80 percent of Americans support term limits for Congress, while inside the Beltway there is a visceral hatred of the concept.... The recent five-to-four Supreme Court ruling overturning congressional term limits imposed by 23 states, while regrettable, has at least helped focus the debate over the nature of government in America as we approach the 21st century." http://www.cato.org/pubs/policy_report/pr-mj-pm.html *** I would urge all to read the above link. It is a news story from 1995, and is remarkably applicable to today's realities! It goes to show how impervious to any fundamental 'change' in the game of 'politics as usual' Washington, D.C. really is. If someone reads the Federalist and the Anti-Federalist papers it becomes nearly impossible to walk away from the experience without a clear understanding of just how deeply our Founders & Framers disrepected and distrusted the bane of their vision -- the career politician. As for Jose Serrano: This is not the first time that he has proposed the abolition of the 22nd Amendment. "In 2005, Serrano introduced a joint resolution proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to repeal the twenty-second article of amendment, thereby removing the limitation on the number of terms an individual may serve as president." http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Jos%E9-E.-Serrano Serrano introduced similar bills in 1997, 1999, 2001, 2003, 2005, 2007, and 2009. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_Serrano Of course, Serrano is no stranger to controversy: "Serrano is an advocate of ending the embargo on Cuba and for 'English Plus' which would encourage Americans to become bilingual. " http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Jos%E9-E.-Serrano [i]"Representative José E. Serrano, a Bronx Democrat — went out of his way to actually praise the Cuban leader today." In a news release, Mr. Serrano, 64, who was born in Mayaguez, P.R., and is the most senior member of Congress of Puerto Rican descent, (he) said the decision “proves Castro’s critics wrong yet again.”" [/i] http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/02/19/congressman-serrano-praises-castro/ What about Joseph Serrano on Hugo Chavez: "In 2005, while the Venezuelan President was in New York City speaking before the United Nations, the congressman invited him to his district to speak to his constituency." "Congressman Serrano has been a critic of the Bush administration's approach to handling President Hugo Chávez of Venezuela." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_Serrano Based on my rudimentary search of Joseph (Jose) Serrano's history, it would seem that he is enamored with two-bit dictators who managed to wrestle liberty from the clutching grip of their brow-beaten citizens. One could argue that there is no surprise behind Joseph Serrano's repeated effort to fundamentally transform our system of government. In fact, some might argue that he is a communist sympathizer who has demonstrated persistence in his goal to transform this country into a model closer to his idealized goal. And, it would be a tough argument to counter based on Mr. Serrano's public dossier. He has been very publicly open about his views & goals.
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@dragon54u (31636)
• United States
2 May 09
Serrano is not the only one apparently enamored of two bit dictators-our own president bows to Saudi royalty and acts buddies with Chavez and the Castros. I tell you, this is really scary. I've been disturbed by government before but now I'm truly frightened as to where this country is going to go. I use the only weapon I have-my vote-but it is rendered impotent by the votes of the "useful idiots" that seem to proliferate in our population.
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@laglen (19759)
• United States
2 May 09
I saw that bill and posted it here in January. I think the term limits should stay and politicians should not be paid. Lets really see who is a civil servant.
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@dragon54u (31636)
• United States
3 May 09
I'm sorry I didn't see that discussion, I was rather busy with a job in January. I have lots of time now that I'm unemployed. I agree with you! If there was no financial or power reward for politicians, we'd have statesmen instead of those moochers we have now.
@anniepa (27955)
• United States
2 May 09
Since it's a Constitutional Amendment it would take a great deal of support to get passed. We still don't even have an Equal Rights Amendment! As far as the founding fathers go, there's a lot of things they never intended such as women or blacks being allowed to vote. Seriously, I doubt it would ever pass and the truth is it always depends who's in office how some people feel about it. I heard a lot of Republicans say they wished Reagan could serve a third term and Democrats say the same about Clinton. I'm sure there were even a few who said it about George Bush as well but they probably didn't say it very loud...lol! Annie
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@dragon54u (31636)
• United States
2 May 09
The founding fathers were wise in some ways and ignorant in others, such as women and blacks. I'm so glad we've gotten past that! But they never intended for government to become to huge and all encompassing.
@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
2 May 09
This gets introduced every few legislative sessions but it never gets off the ground. I doubt it will this time, even if it manages to pass both houses, it will never get through enough state legislatures to be amended.
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@dragon54u (31636)
• United States
2 May 09
I hope not! As I said above, I wasn't aware that your state didn't pay big salaries to representatives. That's a wise move, your reps are probably more interested in serving the public than most reps from other states are. Politics shouldn't be a career.
@Adoniah (7513)
• United States
2 May 09
Well, with 60% of the Senate voting one way it could get through the Senate with ease. If it ever did stand a chance of passing, this would be the best time to try it. What a bunch of sickos. We may as well make that crown of thorns into a real crown huh. Shalom~Adoniah
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@dragon54u (31636)
• United States
3 May 09
Yes, that's what is scary about it. The president will also be able to push through his choice of a new Supreme Court justice.