Here in UK Teachers are not allowed to put suncream on children so how..........

@ellie333 (21016)
June 1, 2009 1:49pm CST
Children start Foundation units now at age 3, my son is five and this morning I plastered him with suncream as it was going to be an extremly hot day and then put cream into his bag and said as teachers are not allowed to put it on he was to put on his arms and face at lunchtime, he is five. Now what 5 year old (or three year old for that matter) is really going to remember that and that is the hot dangerous midday sun and the next break is before three, also when sun is at its hottest. As a parent I want to protect my child but because it is classed as abuse even for a teacher to check a childs head now for nits how do I do that when he is at school the bulk of his young life five days a week 6 and a 1/2 hours a day during the hottest sunniest periods. All we get are warnings about the dangers of skin cancer and to cover up but the summer uniform is a short sleeve polo shirt no long sleeves. Any ides how to get round this as most creams you need to reapply after 20 mins in the sun and that is the first break which I have smothered him for. What are your thoughts on this? Huggles. Ellie :D
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@zed_k4 (17589)
• Singapore
2 Jun 09
I don't know whether the world is indeed coming to an end, or humans are filled with non-compassion hearts as days go by.. This is atrocious and you should go with the petition. I think they should put a consent form, at least like parents of children whom are not so keen on the 'touch' of teacher to child, then their children shouldn't be put suncream at all by teachers. And those that don't mind to continue the trend. That is perhaps one of the best ways to handle. I used to have a friend working in the childcare industry and she told me that some parents dislike their children to be 'touched' by teachers. I think in this matter, it's something like that. Some fussy parents they are, I'd say. Good luck in your petition. I hope it will be successful..
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@zed_k4 (17589)
• Singapore
2 Jun 09
I suppose you are right, Ellie... We are off topic, but still enjoying it very much. Winks@Alice.. I think things like between teachers and students definitely could be addressed and let's hope our Ellie gets the petition approved or there are others concerned in that school (parents perhaps) could sign in on the petition as well. Alice...let's make our fate a better one..., with God's will..
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@zed_k4 (17589)
• Singapore
2 Jun 09
By the way, you are right. I find the movie saw more disgusting than F.D...haa...
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@ellie333 (21016)
2 Jun 09
Hi Zed, Hi Alice, Wow you two are having an interesting conversation here and yes the world is a little crazy and no we can't avaoid certain things in life but we can prevent getting burnt by the sun with the right protection and I really feel that these rules and regulations aren't allowing a caring parent to protect their child properly. The older children can be reminded to put it on but the foundation units 3-5 years old surely should have some help bless before being sent out into the hot midday sun for half hour and then an hour of PE after in it. I believe we all have a duty of care to each other so a school should have a duty of care to the child. I have seen all the Final Destinations with my girls, I find them more gory than some horror films because all the events really can and do happen to people. For every action there is a reaction so yes is anything really an accident? Glkad to see you both particpating in some interesting debate here. Love and guggles. Ellie :D
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@jakill (835)
1 Jun 09
This is a tricky one, Ellie. As I no longer have my own children of school age, I hadn't even thought about it and I certainly didn't know that teachers can't apply sun cream. I asked my daughter about this as she is a childminder. She said she has to get written permission from parents and then she can do it, but she can't give a teacher permission to do it for her own child. I suppose it might take quite a while if they had to do a whole class, so it's understandable from that point of view. Teachers can't give any medication either. On the odd occasion it has been necessary. she has had to go to the school at lunchtime to give her child prescribed pills. Perhaps there should be another role at schools now, for a nurse or some such. I can't see it happening though. Sorry I'm no help for your predicament.
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@ellie333 (21016)
1 Jun 09
Hi Jakill, Thanks for running it by your daughter first and that is interesting to discover in itself. I can understand yes it would take the teachers some time but at the same time if the uniform is short sleeve polo shirts for the summer perhaps they should allow long sleeve ones and remind the children to put on their own cream before going out just like they would do in the winter with making them get their coats. My son has very fair skin so this is something I do worry about as my ex husband suffered from skin cancer himself. huggles. Ellie :D
@ellie333 (21016)
3 Jun 09
Hi Jakill, After saying my piece received this in a school letter yesterday afternoon Just to keep you updated so it looks like this is all that is going to happen ' Sun cream, Hats and shade, Could the last few glorious days be a sign that we are due for a fantastically sunny summer! Lets hope so. Could we please remind you to send a sunhat into school for your child to wear. We recommend those hats with the neck incorporated in them. We also ask that you apply a liberal covering of sun cream prior to your child coming into school. We are unable to put sun cream on the children. However, please send sun cream in with your child if he/she is able to apply it' When my son got home from school I asked him if he had been reminded to put his cream on and he told me that the teachers squirted it onto his hands for him to then apply to himself. My son is able to do this but what about the little ones who are unable too, still on my mission LOL. Huggles. Ellie:Dl,
@jakill (835)
2 Jun 09
You are good to be so conscientious, Ellie. I like the idea of the teachers reminding children to put on their cream if they have it. But if they won't cooperate, of course you should put the long sleeves on. But what about the face and legs?
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• United States
2 Jun 09
I can explain this. I've worked in many preschool classrooms and all of the class rooms that I have worked in cannot put anything on a child, lotion wise, unless there is a signed document from a parent and the child comes to school with the cream or lotion. This is to save the butts of the childcare staff in case something would happen like an allergic reaction. Not to mention, some of the items, like sun screen can have ingridients in them that can make some children sick, or any child if ingested. There are a lot of things that go on in preschool classrooms and day cares that parents get frustrated over, but parents end up getting frustrated if you do something to their child that they didn't know about, or would be even madder if something happened to their child because of something they put on them.
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@ellie333 (21016)
2 Jun 09
Hi Highflyingxangel, So you can understand from the teachers and the parents view I guess. I have signed forms and I have provided the cream all that I can do is hope that they can remind my son to reapply just as they would remind him to put a coat on in the winter. Huggles. Ellie :D
• United States
2 Jun 09
I just find it strange that after you have signed forms, teachers are not allowed to apply anything. I mean, if you have parental consent, it should be OK. That's how it is in every center I have been in.
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@ellie333 (21016)
3 Jun 09
Hi Highflingxangel, After saying my piece received this in a school letter yesterday afternoon ' Sun cream, Hats and shade, Could the last few glorious days be a sign that we are due for a fantastically sunny summer! Lets hope so. Could we please remind you to send a sunhat into school for your child to wear. We recommend those hats with the neck incorporated in them. We also ask that you apply a liberal covering of sun cream prior to your child coming into school. We are unable to put sun cream on the children. However, please send sun cream in with your child if he/she is able to apply it' When my son got home from school I asked him if he had been reminded to put his cream on and he told me that the teachers squirted it onto his hands for him to then apply to himself. My son is able to do this but what about the little ones who are unable too, still on my mission LOL. Huggles. Ellie:D
@SomeCowgirl (32191)
• United States
1 Jun 09
I can understand precautions but wow that's a little too far. The only thing I can suggest for you to do is to protest against it. Can not even the nurse of the school put things like that on a child? Or atleast can't someone monitor the child! Before a break sunscreen or any other kind of protection from getting hurt should be put on and advised. Things like this should be taught in schools. My fiance and I don't have children yet so I don't know if this is a law here in the USA. I know as a child I would go to the nurse but as for putting on creams I think maybe I did that myself? I don't remember.
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@ellie333 (21016)
1 Jun 09
Hi SomeCowgirl, I am going to write in about it as all that needs to be done is for the teacher to remind the kids before they go out to play to reapply if they are not allowed to touch. I think the UK laws have gone too much the other way now, a small child if it falls over needs a hug bu not allowed Mr. Bump from the fridge now and a plaster although all the staff are vetted so aren't going to molest the kids if they do touch. Huggles. Ellie :D
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@SomeCowgirl (32191)
• United States
2 Jun 09
Controversy around the world sometimes calls for some weird protocol. Sad that it's coming to this but I guess it's better safe then sorry.
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@sandymay48 (2030)
• Canada
1 Jun 09
Hi ellie333... This sounds like one of the ridiculous laws they have in Canada and we have many more as well. In an effort on someones lame part to curb child abuse, they are in fact creating more...its called child neglect in many forms by totally disallowing contact of any type. This sun screen incident is one of many. If a child came to school crying, a very young child, and they had been abused, how could one not give a hug. There is a time and place for everything and abolishing everything is not the answer. I remember when my daughter who is now 27, was only 5 years old. She had to travel on the school bus to get to school. She was the smallest child in the school and even at 27, is under 5ft tall!..lol Anyways, she was so tiny she would struggle to get up on the seat of the school bus. The driver would lift her up and sit her on the seat til he got threatened with his job. He came to me to regretfully tell me he could no longer help her into her seat. He felt so bad. I knew the driver and had no problem with it. After all, how is she supposed to get up? The school had told me that perhaps the answer was for me to drive her to school. I said I couldnt as I worked, and she should not have to miss the daily interaction with her friends of travelling on the bus. The next morning when she boarded the bus, our problems were over. The driver had made her a little stool that she could step up on to get to her seat! My heart went out to the driver who felt so bad he made the stool, and my anger went out to the idiots who made the brilliant laws! If teachers there are not allowed to apply sun screen, then it should be part of protocol that they announce that kids put on their sunscreen and make sure they do.
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@ellie333 (21016)
1 Jun 09
Such an upside down we live in eh Sandymay, but i will be making sure I make a difference believe me as this has really got my goat
@ellie333 (21016)
1 Jun 09
Hi Sandymay,My heart goes out to this driver for finding a way bless him. I will rebel tomorrow and send my son in a long sleeved lightweight t-shirt, he has fair skin and needs to be protected. I will argue the toss with the school, but for the 3-5 year olds I really think that as all teachers and helpers vetted they should have assistance. I work too and cannot be on hand to apply and a 5 year old cannot be trusted to either. Oreo mad a fantastic observation in that them allowing a child to be burnt is abuse in itself and I agree they have a duty of care towards my son. Thank you for sharing and for your response, appreciated. Huggles. Ellie :D
• Canada
1 Jun 09
Yes, and Oreocookie is right, As I said also, they are supposedly trying to curb child abuse but in the process, they are creating child neglect which in itself is a form of abuse. How ridiculous...a true child molester will still find a way. A child cannot find a way to help themselves and at such young ages, they still need love and help from adults where they spend most of their days. Its a great way to teach a child, how NOT to be a helpful member of society.
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@geniustiger (1694)
• Philippines
7 Jun 09
I think sunscream is suitable for children yet. They have soft skin not like adults. They just avoid to sun outside so that their skin will not be burn. They will stay in their aircondition room and their play. They can just go outside for few minutes early in the morning but not in 8 above its really so hot.
@ellie333 (21016)
7 Jun 09
Hi Geniustiger, Here in the UK they have formulas that are sutiable for children but I tend to put my son in long sleeved t-shirts and cover as much of him as possible when out playing as the sun is far too hot and he does burn bless. Huggles. Ellie :D
@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
7 Jun 09
Did your Mum smother you in sun screen Ellie? My Mum didn't. We didn't have hats either. My kids were not protected by sun screen. They were both healthy, active youngsters and never came home with sun burn - ever. We have a slogan here...slip, slop, slap which means slip on a shirt, slop on some sun screen and slap on a hat but the kids at school don't get to do that - they get hats with a skirt at the back to protect their necks - no sun screen, no long sleeves, their little arms and legs and faces are bare. There may be some long term effects there I agree but it didn't hurt us when we were kids.
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@ellie333 (21016)
7 Jun 09
Hi MsTickle, No my mum never did and we were fine but here in the SW of England where I live there has been a 55% increase in skin cancer cases as there is in fact a hole in the ozone layer over us, I and my son do burn although I never used to so the intensity of the sun has changed over the years. I just make sure his exposed bits are covered before he goes to school and send him with the cream and if he remembers to put on a break time great. huggles. Ellie :D
@maximax8 (31053)
• United Kingdom
3 Jun 09
Hi my friend Ellie. I am a primary school teacher. I ask parents in the summer time to put sun cream on their child. Also I recommend their child wears a sun hat at playtime. The government tell the teachers that we must not touch the children. Once a fight happened and all I could do was stand between the two boys. I send a child to a first aid carer if necessary. They are able to put a plaster on. If a child is sick I have to ask for equipment in order for me to clean it up. My toddler son has to have catheter care. Two of the staff have been trained how to do that. The trained one does the catheter care and she asks another member of staff to help. Once he is at primary school then they will have to handle my son's needs. Hopefully by the time he goes to secondary school he will be able to do his own catheter. I suggest your son wears a long sleeved shirt just during playtime. Maxine
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@ellie333 (21016)
3 Jun 09
Hi Maxine, There are special carers for the special needs children which is what your son has to have and I think they do a great job as one of my friends has a downs child the same age as my son as she also has this sort of help as still in nappies but I feel the teachers should surely be able to help the Foundation unit children if need be. My son will just need reminding to reapply in this heat the same as a teacher would remind them to put their hats and coats on in the winter. Huggles. Ellie :D
@littleowl (7157)
2 Jun 09
Hi Ellie, the whole school thing now befuddles me, it is ridiculous that a teacher you can trust is not allowed to help with putting the suncream on, it is really ridiculous how teachers are no longer allowed to do a lot of things they did when we went to school-what's the answer 'I do not know' any ideas 'am really sorry but no', wish I could of been more help,..Huggles LoLo
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@ellie333 (21016)
3 Jun 09
Hi Littleowl, After saying my piece I received this in a school letter yesterday afternoon ' Sun cream, Hats and shade, Could the last few glorious days be a sign that we are due for a fantastically sunny summer! Lets hope so. Could we please remind you to send a sunhat into school for your child to wear. We recommend those hats with the neck incorporated in them. We also ask that you apply a liberal covering of sun cream prior to your child coming into school. We are unable to put sun cream on the children. However, please send sun cream in with your child if he/she is able to apply it' When my son got home from school I asked him if he had been reminded to put his cream on and he told me that the teachers squirted it onto his hands for him to then apply to himself. My son is able to do this but what about the little ones who are unable too, still on my mission LOL. Huggles. Ellie:D,
• United States
2 Jun 09
That's a tough one, I guess you just have to dip him in it and hope for the best. Sounds a little stupid that teachers can teach them but not take a little bit of care for them. I guess you better enroll him in a Global Warming class so they show him the importance of sunscreen.
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@ellie333 (21016)
2 Jun 09
hi Gitfiddleplayer, The teacher 'children global warming is becoming a worldwideissue and you should make sure that you are protected from the sun at it UV rays, right now its time to play out you go for 20 minutes in it with no protection and then after lunch we will be out there agian for pyshical education for an hour' What sort of teacvhing message is that giving. Huggles. Ellie :D
@ShellyB (5241)
• United States
5 Jun 09
Well, is there a form or something that allows the nurse at school to applied to your kid the sunscreen or just for the nurse to remind your kid to use it? That's what parents do in the usa because teachers can't give medication either.
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@ellie333 (21016)
7 Jun 09
Hi Shelley, No they won't put sun cream on but here in the SW where I live at the nearest hospital they have had a 55% increase in skin cancer cases so these day we do need to be aware. Huggles. Ellie :D
• United States
2 Jun 09
I don't have kids, but a friend of mine has a 5 year old in school and just the other day with summer starting she was complaining about this rule too. So we have the same problem here in Florida, USA that you do. And we have more danger too due to our geography. I do not understand why there could not at least be someone (like we used to have a school nurse) that could be in charge. My friends son has fair skin which makes it even more interesting. I honestly thought the US lawsuit system was responsible for most of this stupidity. Interesting to know it has spread to the rest of the world.
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@ellie333 (21016)
2 Jun 09
Hi Slimandsexy, As a parent it is really quite worrying but I am goin to look out for the 24 hour cream that someone here says is now available and use that one on him but meanwhile I have sent him in again with his suncream and just hope today the teacher will remind him to put on. I have blisters all over me and I was only out for an hour on Sunday and using cream, the sun is dangerously strong at the moment. Maybe let your friend know about the 24 hour cream and she can also do that to protect her son too. Huggles. Ellie :D
• United States
2 Jun 09
I am a teacher so there are so many different things that need to be considered. The first is schools don't want to be responsible for causing either an allergy attack or something worse to happen. So the best policy is not to have the teacher touch the child. Before, teachers are able to reprimand a student. Nowadays, the teacher shouldn't even touch the students. I am a male teacher so that is even worse for me because of all the bad rap male teachers get.
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@ellie333 (21016)
2 Jun 09
Hi Mrsakai, If I am providing the cream I am not going to give my child one they will be allergic too and also the foundation children 3-5 year old cannot be expected to be responsible for putting their own on. In fact the discipline in schools went out the window when teachers were stopped from giving the slipper of cane, there is no deterrent. Now they get excluded, great if they want a few days off school be naughty. That is another subject though. As a man I would have no problem you putting cream on my sons arms, that all I am asking, legs too if shorts on but he doesn't wear them as he falls over a lot and it hurts his kness even more. It is tough for both the teachers and parents these days and even tougher for the kids growing up in a system that doesn't allow a teacher to put a plaster on a child when it is hurt. I amdmire you for doing such a difficult job. Huggles. Ellie :D
@Mitobid (57)
• Malta
2 Jun 09
I think your article shows perfectly how far the Uk has gone with rules and regulations. I'm quite glad i don't live there but i understand your situation. 5 year olds arent known for applying sun cream very well. Perhaps you could talk to the teachers themselves. Dylan
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@ellie333 (21016)
3 Jun 09
Hi Mitobid, A big warm welcome to myLot. I have spoken to the teachers and all they can do as they are not allowed to apply is remind the child to put on. Crazy as sending a child without protection out into the midday sun is negligent and abusive in itself. Crazy UK laws. Huggles. Ellie :D
@winterose (39887)
• Canada
2 Jun 09
I think you should take it up with the health authorities, this just does not seem right. I think if the teachers cannot take care of the children's health on an outing it is neglect.
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@ellie333 (21016)
2 Jun 09
Hi Winterose, I will be speaking to the school today and have written a letter saying that by letting my childor any child that young out in the hot sun we have here at the moment is negligent and an abuse in itself. Huggles. Ellie :D
@jillhill (37354)
• United States
1 Jun 09
If they can't reapply the sunscreen they should make sure they play indoors or in the shade....like that going to happen....it's strange what rules they are now applying to handling children in schools....I actually was talking to my daughter earlier who is considering home schooling her daughter......she said that the parents aren't allowed to even see their kids' classroom during the day....if the child forgets something at home they have to drop it off at the office...and parents are not allowed on field trips.....you would think that a parent would have access to their children even if it is school....strange!
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@ellie333 (21016)
1 Jun 09
Hi Jill, I am really on a mission with this one as my ex-husband had skin cancer and my eldest has had worrying moles and tomorrow I am sending him to school out of uniform in a long sleeved t-shirt as Oreo said in her response to send a fair skinned child out into the sun with out protection is also a form of abuse. I feel that the little one 3-5 in foundation are not old enough to apply themselves and should have applied, the older ones reminded the same as the teachers make them wear coats in winter apply in summer sort of thing. I am a very passive person but where my children come into play and are put in danger I go for it so battle on. We don't have much homeschooling in the UK but I am beginning to get disheartened by the system here right now. Huggles. Ellie :D
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@Rollo1 (16679)
• Boston, Massachusetts
1 Jun 09
All these rules, there must be no child abuse ever! Well, we know that isn't true, the reason being that teachers applying sun cream has never let to child abuse that I know of. I realize that schools and preschools and day-cares have to be very careful about allegations and lawsuits, but generally a permission slip from the parent should suffice. When my son was in preschool I was told to apply sunblock before dropping him off and to leave a bottle of sunblock at the school so they could re-apply it during the day. I had to sign so many different permission slips, I am sure that the application of sunblock was included on one of them. I think that the prospect of a parent suing a school over a child that gets very badly burned would be more worrisome than a parent accusing them of putting cream on in an abusive way. A child could suffer a life-threatening burn at that age if out in a strong sun for very long. Every day I become more convinced that the entire world has gone mad.
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@ellie333 (21016)
1 Jun 09
Hi Rollo, The school has a duty of care to my son and the fact that my ex-husband has suffered skin cancer and my eldest daughter had some worrying moles is enough really, tomorrow I am sending him to school out of uniform in a lightweight long sleeved t-shirt and I will speak to the school and I am writing a letter in which I imply that by burning my son they are in fact abusing him, not by applying sun cream. Huggles. Ellie :D
• United States
2 Jun 09
My thought is that you can only do so much to protect your son from the sun's harmful rays. He will survive as most of us did, with no sunscreen at all. How long is recess, about 15 minutes? It's not as if he's sweltering in the heat of the sun for hours at a time, so dear mumzie, I advise that you relax.
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@ellie333 (21016)
2 Jun 09
Hi Joyce, He is as they are more outdoors than in classrooms at this school and also for PE and the lunch and late breaks. The sun is so hot here at present and even though I put lots of cream on myself all my arm is blistered at the moment and I was out for an hour, a five year old fair skin boy should have it on. I know we survived it without as kids but we didn't have global warming to contend with. My ex-husband had skin cancer and my eldest daughter has had worrying moles so I am not taking any risks with my son. I will find a way to get cream on him. Huggles. Ellie :D
1 Jun 09
Hi ellie, i think is just too stupid laws, in fact by not seeing to the kids well being in this heat, they are abusing them, so how about that one then, the kids can have sun stroke as the heat is so unbearable at that time of the day, you can't win these days can you? love and huggles. Tamara xxxx
@ellie333 (21016)
2 Jun 09
Hi Tamara, I agre they are abusing the children more by letting them do PE and all three play times out in this blistering heat without protection. I always make sure my son has a sun hat too. Hugles. Ellie :D
1 Jun 09
I have a little boy the same age as your son, ellie. My son has learning difficulties so even if he was reminded to put the sun cream on he wouldnt be able to do it for himeself. So I plaster him in it before school and hope for the best. Yet everyday when the kids leave the classroom their teacher pats them all on the head to say goodbye. I dont understand how the rules say no to applying sun cream when they are all CRB checked anyway. Its ridiculous!
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@ellie333 (21016)
1 Jun 09
Hi Vickstick, We shouldn't have to do this as Oreo mentions in her response it is more abusive to a child to let him burn and yes they have all been CB checked so what is the problem. I am on a mission now about this as my son is very fair skinned and I am breaking the rules and sending him to school in a lightweight long sleeveds t-shirt tomorrow, he wears a cap anyway and face fairly hardy as we out and about all the time and am writing a letter and speaking to the school in the morning, the Foundation unit 3-5 should have help and your son also with special needs bless. Thank you for your response, your input on this appreciated. Huggles. Ellie :D