they need me to help prove they were here....but they weren't

United States
June 4, 2009 8:02pm CST
In November, my son had a terrble wreck. He is still recovering in a nursing home. tonight my sister called and asked for some documentation of the wreck. Apparently her husband, my brother-in-law, told his professor that it was part of the reason he had to drop out of school last semester. Now his financial aid is messed up and he needs it fixed. He needs paperwork to prove the wreck now. The thing is, he only came down for one weekend during that time so I don't see why he even put it on the list of reasons for him dropping out! Would you send him paperwork proving the wreck. The interesting part to me is this.... he's studying ... law.
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@Aurone (4755)
• United States
5 Jun 09
If all he is asking for is the documentation of the wreck and he is not asking you to lie and say he was there, then I don't see why in the interest of keeping family harmony, you can't give him the documentation. I would draw the line at saying he was there when he wasn't and things like that. He, himself, isn't being honest with the school and I don't like that, but he is the one doing the lying not you.
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@Aurone (4755)
• United States
5 Jun 09
I understand that, and I would too. Its not a good thing to defraud the school like that. Sounds like its his fault he failed out that semester and it doesn't have anything to do with accident. He should just face the music.
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• United States
5 Jun 09
I understand your answer. I sent him a copy of the medical copter which transported my son to the hospital. I wasn't sure what else to send. You are right that he is the one lying... but I still feel bad to be a part of it in any way!
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@winman (235)
• United States
5 Jun 09
Yea but finical aid will bring the matter to court to fight it and get there money. And when that happens you must submit all evidence and then he could ask for you to become a witness and then you miss work and allot just because you didn't send one letter. This almost happened to my brother who was in the military, he and his friends rented a house off base and where granted house money by the military. They lost there recipes and when the military wanted to see them they almost got in big trouble finally they got them from the guy after 1 month with the army breathing down there necks. It ain't a fun business.
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@meandmy3 (2227)
• United States
5 Jun 09
All you need to prove the wreck is the police report. Just make a copy and submit it. and yes I understand why it is necessary with all the fraud that takes place with student loads etc now days.
• United States
5 Jun 09
I did not have that because for some reason I never obtained one. I have the bill for the mediflight copter though...You okay with him using it as an excuse even though he only came down for one weekend?
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@meandmy3 (2227)
• United States
5 Jun 09
that should be fine and yes I understand that. In the long run they are protecting all of us by doing this. Form potential fraud from others. etc.
• Saint Lucia
5 Jun 09
thought i saw you talk about a sunday school class on some discussion and here you are supporting fraud.its ok to lie indirectly.i wouldnt want my daughter in you sunday school class.hope you remember to tell them different.
@Rollo1 (16679)
• Boston, Massachusetts
5 Jun 09
Giving him documentation of the wreck is not making any statement regarding his contention that it had anything to do with his dropping out of school. If they ask you to write such a statement or sign anything, you should refuse to do that. Could you get into trouble for doing it? Maybe, but even if you couldn't it would still violate your own personal standards and principles. Think of it this way. If you are applying for a passport, you need a birth certificate. When you go to the local city hall to get a copy of your birth certificate, all they are giving you is a paper that says when and where you were born. They aren't making any statement to the government that you are worthy of or qualified to receive a passport. So if you give them paperwork, that's the end of it. What he does with it is his own affair. I would, however, take the opportunity to give him a bit of a lecture about honesty, cause dishonesty has a way of coming back to haunt you in unexpected ways. With honesty, even if it turns out badly, you won't spend your life waiting for the other shoe to drop.
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• United States
5 Jun 09
I appreciate your answer! I know if I give him the paperwork I am not directly involved. He could get newspaper articles of the web that prove the wreck occured. I would never sign anything that said he was here during this time. Actually, he spent one weekend with me in the icu waiting room and other than that I haven't seen him for the last 7 months! I would be a detriment to him if he needed a "witness"..
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@spalladino (17891)
• United States
5 Jun 09
I understand your dilemma and I guess the answer depends on how close you are to your sister and whether you want to have a family fight of her husband's dishonesty. Since they're not asking you to lie personally, sending the paperwork is a step down but it's still participating in a lie. It's a hard choice to make....
@spalladino (17891)
• United States
5 Jun 09
I agree, it's very insensitive of them to take advantage of your son's accident, especially while you're still going through so much, in order for your brother-in-law to cover his butt. I'd expect lots of free legal services in the future out of that guy!
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• United States
5 Jun 09
Yes, it is difficult. They simply asked for proof of the wreck and I sent it. I still feel badly since I am aware that he is just using it to cover his own butt when he wasn't even involved with us. I guess that's what's annoying me... here we are going through a tough time and he wants me to cover his butt....
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• United States
5 Jun 09
Honestly, since he is dishonest, I would rather pay for someone else to represent me should the need arise!
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• Saint Lucia
5 Jun 09
he definitely is in the right field to have the guts to allow you to lie for him.and yes you are lying.consider yourself as an accomplice and if push comes to shove you would be liable to pay.i am so surprise that you think you are not lying,gosh.a lie is always a lie.you know he wasnt there and yet you are helping him defraud financial aid.what an example you setting.
• Saint Lucia
5 Jun 09
He should that.family is truly important to us but the question we need to answer is how far are we willing to go with the lies to protect grown people who knows right from wrong?
• United States
5 Jun 09
You are right. Thanks for your response! So if I don't send any paperwork about my son's wreck, do you think he won't lie. I suggested if he needed something to prove the wreck occured to support his lie, then he could get on-line and print out the newspaper article about it. Thanks agian for your response.
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@winman (235)
• United States
5 Jun 09
You have to, if its requested and this matter goes to court, Holding evidence is a class a felony offense and can cause allot of trouble to you and your family. Just give him the info to get him and the lawyers that he will bring off your back first then worry weather its right or not.
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• United States
5 Jun 09
But it's not being asked for by any lawyers as far as I know. IT is simply so he can get back into school using financial aid which he lost because he dropped out last semester...
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@katsmeow1213 (28717)
• United States
6 Jun 09
Isn't it possible that he dropped out of school due to being emotional over your son's accident? Or maybe your sister was emotional over the accident, so he had to stay home to help her through it, or to take care of her duties for her... or something of that nature? Why don't you just flat out ask him why he put that on his list of reasons?
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• United States
6 Jun 09
You know, you are absolutely right, I need to simply ask him. I guess one thing that made me wonder was the way my sister asked, though. She started by saying, "I really hate to ask this but....." I know she cries quite a bit but is not a too super can't handle type person...She has been down several times in the last 7 months also... probably about 4 times I think.
@amanda08 (647)
• United States
5 Jun 09
wow, I dunno if I would or not... were him and your son close? I cannot believe he wants this information to bail him out of this situation unless it truly did cause him some major stress.... I am also a college student and I have financial aid and have went through many things while attending school, my mother had 2 strokes and was hospitalize for 47 days 2 hours away and i drove back and forth EVERY day to see her, also we moved a couple of times, and had lost alot of information for school when my computer crashed and I had to redo everything I had lost, plus my son was has sleep apnea and it is hard for me to find a sitter for him.... I am not sure what I would do if I were in your shoes.... but from what I understand, he does need to actually take the blame himself and stop using others tragic accidents to help him out.
• United States
5 Jun 09
I too used finacial aid to get through school as did my mom and my children. they are not really close, but I think my brother-in-law was somewhat stressed over the whole thing... but not stressed enough to make more than one trip to see him! I just couldn't believe the gall he had to try to use this tradegy to cover his weak butt!!
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• United States
6 Jun 09
I am going to ask one question, how much did your brother-in-law actually help with your son's wreck, or with visiting the nursing home, being with you during this time? If he wasn't there for you, why are you going to put your self in this kind of stress. I would produce the bill you say you have and say thats all I have, the rest is up to you. I am not responsible for your actions. If you dropped out of school don't blame my child or myself, you made this choice of your own accord. Now you have to deal with the circumstances. You need more proof find it yourself. Its out there find it. You don't need to set time aside for this if he is trying to pull something with the school loans to get away with it. If he messed up something he needs to deal with thoe circumstances. You didn't make the choice to say he dropped out because of your son or being there to help when apparently he wasn't. Sometime in life people need to take responsiblity for thier own ACTIONS. I pray that all works out for you and your son, that is what is important.
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• United States
6 Jun 09
Thanks for your response! My brother-in-law came one weekend back in November while my son was still in ICU. I haven't seen him since! He stayed a whole two nights sleeping on a cot in the ICU waiting room. I was there for over 3 weeks and then stayed in a hospital room with my son until Feb. then came here to a nursing home where I stay with him... so in the last 7 months, I saw him one time. I know he loves my son... but there is no way it was a factor in him dropping out of school. I pretty much share your sentiments!
@sjvenden27 (1840)
• United States
5 Jun 09
Well this is a catch 20/20... On one side you want to help your brother-in-law out but at the same time you dont want to lie... especially since he really was not there for you that long... but i understand what its like to have many things get in the way, and are not able to contunie school at that point in time... Yes it would be lying to say that your son's accident was the total cause for him not to drop out of school... have you tried to explain to him that you want to help him but you do not feel confortable lying???
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• United States
5 Jun 09
I haven't talked to them at all since they asked. Actually, my sister is the one who called and she started out by saying, "I hate to ask this but...." which tells me they know it is wrong to begin with! On one hand though, I think it's not my problem at all since he can get something like a newspaper article off the internet to prove the wreck happened... don't know if he can prove that he is his uncle or not though!!!
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• United States
6 Jun 09
You pose some very good questions... thanx
• United States
6 Jun 09
By family tree and a marriage certificate... That should be enough to prove that he is your son's uncle... But like I stated before you may not like lying for your brother in law... but feel pressured.. in the end you have to live with what ever you decide... granted that will help your brother in law out, but would you be able to live with that desicon for the rest of your life?? or if you went with your gut and just helped him out because he's family... will that be ok with you... or will it eat you?