Lakhdar Boumediene: “They torture me in the Obama time more than Bush.”

@Taskr36 (13963)
United States
June 9, 2009 10:21pm CST
There you have it folks. Lakhdar Boumediene, former GITMO detainee who was not found guilty and recently released to France claims he was tortured MORE under Obama than under Bush. How do Obama's fans feel about this? Now if he'd just said he was tortured under the Bush administration, I have no doubt that every liberal on these boards would be citing this as proof that Bush and Cheney tortured. Here we are though. He's saying it happened more under Obama. Does he have credibility now? Does anyone believe he was tortured under Obama? Do you believe he was tortured under Bush? Was he really tortured under both? Is he just completely full of it?
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@Destiny007 (5805)
• United States
10 Jun 09
I guess it depends on how a person defines torture. Does he give any examples of the torture inflicted, or does he just make a blanket statement? Given that 0bozo has continued the policies of Bush, including the renditions... I would say it is not torture, merely business as usual.
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@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
10 Jun 09
"Lakhdar Boumediene has charged that he was interrogated for sixteen straight nights in 2003 and that he was force-fed through a nasal tube for over two years after he went on a hunger strike. He also described to Rather’s interviewer how he was made to run with shackles on his legs until they were bloody in order to soften him up." "Rather also pointed out that when Boumediene says he was tortured recently, he is not referring to interrogation but to the force-feeding, which he believes was deliberately made “as painful and uncomfortable as possible.” Boumediene also believes that once the guards knew he had been ordered released for lack of evidence, some of them were looking for an opportunity to “take their last shots.” Rather insisted, however, that we have to take Boumediene’s central point seriously, that “the US government has lied about the depths of the torture, how much it happened, and the fact — from his viewpoint — that some of it’s still going on.” There's the "torture" that this guy has specified so far. Nasal feeding tubes and being forced to run with shackles on. Our criminals here in the US are often forced to walk or run with shackles on so if that's considered torture then we've been doing it for a long time under multiple presidents.
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@bobmnu (8157)
• United States
10 Jun 09
It is very simple President Obama LIED to the world and to the American People. Who are we to question the word of this outstand gentleman. Obama LIED!
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• United States
10 Jun 09
When Obama came to Detroit, people were making like this guy was Jesus Christ or even Moses. I just looked on and walked by. Obama is one of the least experienced people to have ever have run from president. I know that there at first, it was a mockery. This is because when the U.S Constitution and Bill of Rights were first composed, men of privilege were the ones who would be the main front runners. Obama had no real experience in office and was a senator less than one year. I think he came, for the Democrat party at the right time. I also think that the Democrat party was less interested in Clinton than with running a virtually unknown candidate. Obama has indeed lied. That would include to members of his own camp. He is even pro marriage between men and women and not gays and lesbians.
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@Latrivia (2878)
• United States
10 Jun 09
I don't see force feeding as torture, as it isn't done with intent to harm, rather, it's done with the intent to save their life. Does it hurt? Heck yeah. Can it cause major health problems and potentially kill a person? Of course. It could cause heart failure. I don't think their being made to undergo force feeding to gather information, which is a key component to torture, so it really shouldn't qualify as torture.
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@bobmnu (8157)
• United States
10 Jun 09
If having a barking dog is torture then force feeding is torture. If questioning by a female is torture then force feeding is torture. I don't remember the press asking what the torture was that these people claimed but even water boarding is calm compared to breaking of bones, removing teeth and removing fingers and toes. You can spin it any way you like but if they claim torture then it has to be considered torture. It was with President Bush so it should be with President Obama.
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
10 Jun 09
I guess I'll give you something I doubt you'd give me if the situation were reversed - the benefit of the doubt regarding your claim that you "forgot" to supply the link after another poster did so. I suppose I COULD say you no doubt didn't want us to know what the "torture" Lakhdar Boumediene was subject to after Obama took office actually was or that when he said "was tortured recently, he is not referring to interrogation but to the force-feeding, which he believes was deliberately made “as painful and uncomfortable as possible.” Boumediene also believes that once the guards knew he had been ordered released for lack of evidence, some of them were looking for an opportunity to “take their last shots.”" (The part in quotes is from the article in the link supplied by the other poster.) Also from the article is this: "“When you’re in his presence, when you see the interview, he seems believable,” Rather replied. He added, however, that the admiral who’s been in charge of Guantanamo for the last year “says, ‘Listen, this is untrue. These things are not still going on.’”" "Does he have credibility now?" Maybe, maybe not. Dan Rather feels he "seemed believable" but the admiral in charge says he's not. What do YOU think, Taskr, does the admirable have more credibility than the detainee or not? "Does anyone believe he was tortured under Obama?" think it's at least possible that what he said was true. We can argue until we're blue in the fact about whether "force feeding" is torture. It's also possible the ones doing the force feeding did want to get their last shot in and that President Obama wasn't aware of what was being done to this ONE particular detainee. After all, you believed nobody above the soldiers at abu Graib knew what THEY were doing, right? They were just sadistic rogues who enjoyed making their prisoners suffer, weren't they? Annie
@vellibiz (297)
• United States
10 Jun 09
this torture crap is distracting us from the real crimes....you want the cause for torture wars and economic crisis...walk down wall street.
@heathcliff (1415)
• United States
10 Jun 09
Either way this is proof of Bush Administration torture, right? MORE torture now means there was torture before. AND that's only if you believe the dude AND you think any of that really is torture. The bottom line is noone should have been detained in such a way without the normal American civil liberties because if we stoop to the level of "evil" in the world than we are no better. Also, if Bush's Administration put him there and Obama's Administration moved him out, that's one point for Obama, no matter how the Obama-haters want to spin it. Obama-haters want to slam Obama supporters all the time, but this story isn't going to do it.
• United States
11 Jun 09
If he is not entitled to American civil liberties than we shouldn't have hed him at all. Once he gets in one of our prisons, military or civilian, we have a responsibility to treat him under our laws. We cannot pretend to have a superior judical system if we are not willing to promote its use in every situation. We should be LEADING the fight to expand "Prisoner of war" rights, not ignoring them! And I see from your attacking language that your twisted anti-liberal brain cannot wrap itself around open-minded logic so there is no point to breaking down the logic and/or lack thereof in who you think should bear any blame or receive any credit in this situation. No matter how you spin it, a clearminded foreign observer is just going to see Obama cleaning up Bush's mess. You don't have to like it. I can certainly understand wanting to set the record straight in the end, but throwing all Liberals under the bus hurts your arguments more than helps them.
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
10 Jun 09
You're completely neglecting the fact that he's claiming he was torture MORE under Obama than Bush. Personally, I don't think this jerk was tortured at all. You have also failed to realize that it was Bush, not Obama that had him cleared of the charges. It just took that long to find a country that would take him. So no, Obama doesn't get any special points. This guy is not an American and is not entitled to American civil liberties. Only a liberal would try such backwards logic.
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