If you were a country or nation protecting yourself from dictatorial bullies...
By DuoMaxwell
@DuoMaxwell (953)
United States
June 18, 2009 10:32am CST
...what would you do to protect yourself against him/her? This originally was going to be a reply to this topic:
"So What if Israel Bombs Iran Nuclear Power Sites?"
http://www.mylot.com/w/discussions/2042090.aspx
...but i've decided to turn it to a topic if people were anthromorphosized to countries to make things easier to understand.
If I were Israel looking out for my best interests and protecting my own life, if I had some scheming, totalitarian country like Iran seeking a complete end to my life with weapons of mass destruction, and if no other country would help me out, i'd do the same thing. But that's not going to be enough.
Even after the attack, the country that I attacked would pull out all the stops to make me look like the villain, even going as so far as to play the victim. Bad publicity, smear campaigns, running and crying to the United Nations just as a spoiled brat or bully runs crying to the teacher just to get the good kid in trouble, the enemy would do these types of things to get back at me just because I had to defend myself before he/she could get the first strike.
So i'd collect all the evidence to prove that they were planning to wipe me off the face of the Earth by any means possible. Audio recordings, hidden cameras, anything to collect as much evidence and proof to clear my name and save my life.
If, for some reason, the UN decides to side with the enemy still out to kill me even with the all the evidence to prove them wrong (he/she might use bribes, intimidations, threats, violence, etc. to force them to side with him/her), if my back's STILL against the wall and I get condemned by the other countries and having sanctions and embargoes on me by them, then I have no choice but to leave the United Nations completely.
I'll be honest here: In real life i'm a pacifist who's been taught that:
-Killing is wrong no matter what the situation is
-"Thou shalt not kill" (as I said, i'm still 10% Christian),
-"They put you in the electric chair for killing people!" (i've read that in the novel "The Outsiders" back at middle/high school)
...and that's why I never take up a gun to take a life even in self defense, and strangely enough, I feel that it's rather noble to let yourself be killed rather than kill even to defend yourself. That's just how I felt when it came to owning any type of firearms.
However, since i'm Israel who's just left the United Nations to protect myself, and this is hypothetical, since i'm on my own I have nothing to lose. As a country i'd do whatever it takes to protect myself from total annihilation.
7 responses
@Netsbridge (3253)
• United States
18 Jun 09
DuoMaxwell, there can be no justification for killing innocent people simply because one does not agree with their government! As per the conflict in the Middle East between Israel and the Middle Easterners, I believe those Middle Easterners are the people defending themselves and their lands.
I noticed you declared that you are Israeli. I have had some rare opportunities to chat, person-to-person, with some Israelis and my conclusion is that the people calling themselves Israelis are not the Israelites that we Christians assume them to be. Besides, I no longer believe that the Almighty God of Creation made the promise to Abraham alleged in Genesis 15:18-21, which these Israelis have used to gained support from non-logical Christians -
No one is going to annihilate the Istraelis if only they would leave the lands of other people alone! If I eventually figured this matter out, then I believe so will others. This lie about God depriving hardworking people of their settlements just in order to make room for the Israelites/Israelis will eventually come to an end. I strongly believe this fabrication is merely someone's idea of a form of social justice (for the sluggard descendents of Noah)!
@DuoMaxwell (953)
• United States
18 Jun 09
Actually, i'm still US American like you, my bad. I used Israel as an analogy of this topic so that I can demonstrate what would've happened to the real country if they had no other choice between complete destruction and self-defense with evidence.
@heathcliff (1415)
• United States
18 Jun 09
You have a very nice presentation there.
To view your analogy in another way: Look at how we have to deal with bullies at a younger age. We certainly cannot go around killing bullies. As difficult as they may be to use, resources exist to intervene. Israel, if they choose to handle the Iran problem on their own, should be treated as a criminal as well.
Israel only exists because an international decision was made. Israel should be the first country to want to do things in an internationally acceptable manner.
@spalladino (17891)
• United States
18 Jun 09
I agree with you. Israel as well as South Korea have the absolute right to strike first if they have good reason to believe that failing to do so will put their country in peril. Should everyone be required to stand by while Iran and North Korea continue to develop the capability to kill millions? No. North Korea's next long range missile test is planned to take a course that points towards Hawaii. It won't be able to fly that far but should the world wait until they develop one that can before someone takes action? Japan should send them a message and shoot it out of the sky while it's over their air space.
@ra1787 (501)
• Italy
18 Jun 09
I still think that diplomacy is the only road that can be taken, iranians would strike back, and the us are arleady fighting (losing) two wars, so it would be israel vs. iran and probably many other countries in the middle. (they are actually somewhat distant) and it is likely they will lose.
I personally think that even if they had nuclear weapons they wouldn't use them, israel has nukes too, and in the war they will both lose. (that is why us and ussr never fought a war).
@AithneFireStorm (212)
• United States
18 Jun 09
We as a country (The USA) have a right to defend ourselves and I think no less of Israel tha of the US... Israel is not the bully.. Infact we are all at mercy of these people in some way. Whether it be through our dependancy on their oil or otherwise.
Plus it is the agenda of any muslim truly following their faith, through my limited understanding maybe a muslim on here can explain it.. But in my understanding they are directed to kill any infidel! That includes Israel, the US, the UK any country not devoted to Islam!
Regardless, the subject is Israel and her right to defend or even perform a pre-emptive strike! I think if the evidence is there and they can prove it and no one else will act they have a certain right to defend themselves. Just as I would expect the US to act if another attack on our country occured! How is it any different for Israel to respond to the constant threats it is getting than for the US to respond after 9/11? Its not!
Of course action by Israel WILL result in some kind of war and we, the US, the UK, and various other nations WILL have to choose sides!
I am not a pacifist by nature.. I would like to avoid conflict if it is possible but sometimes action is called for...
