Obama or Bush?

United States
June 27, 2009 10:03pm CST
Who is better, why is obama so bad, do you approve of what he is doing? Do you think the country is in good hands???
5 responses
@agirnow (158)
• France
28 Jun 09
I would like to know what is so bad about Obama... Bush was selfish, stupid and arrogant. We are now despised by most of the world (which Obama has countered to an extent) and if we don't slow down in the middle east, one day the world wide Muslim community is going to obliterate our beloved country. I think Obama has good intentions and that he has potential, but Bush left a mess behind and it will take years to know if Obama can even make a dent. At least he is trying. All Bush tried to do is piss people off.. how did he get elected twice anyway?
• United States
29 Jun 09
See ppl, all the people that commented on this issue, especially the first person! this, this is what i am talking about, there are actual people out there who get what i am talking about! Thanks agirnow.! :)
@xfahctor (14126)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
29 Jun 09
and yet you are unable address a single issue in my list either, thank you for confirming a few things for me.
@xfahctor (14126)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
30 Jun 09
and since you can't seem to debate with out insulting.... well, as much as I would like to blame it on your age, even my youngest daughter, who is but a year older than you, is far more politicly aware and informed and could easily identify the constitutional issues with each of the items in my list and does so with out insulting people. I have already apologized in the other thread for comming across as I did and making assumptions that I did, but I will do so again here, in the interst of civility and meaningful debate, as well as in the interst of furhtering important political and government issues....so in that light, again, I apologize the uncharicteristic and un productive manner in which I initialy adressed you. Yes, I live in the u.s. and am active in government, work with the state legislature, attend committe meetings and hearings, testify on my state house floor, help tutor constitution, have submitted legislation, am currently writing a state ballot initiative, head up a liberty and state's right advocacy group, have had on going coraspondence with congressional members, governors and others on relevent issues, even managed to cause a few to change their views and votes by showing them things even they didn't know.....in short, I have been working in government longer than you have even been alive and genuinely know what I am talking about. Anyone here, even those who disagrea with me deeply on ideology will tell you this. You mentioned in the other thread I didn't know what I was talking about when I brought up constitutional issues with Obama. SO lets continue that discusion and merge it with this one for convenience and simplicity, rather than waste time and bandwidth by thread bouncing..... I listed a bunch of constitutional issues above and each and every one is genuine and documented, yet you claim I didn't know what I was talking about, do you think I just made those up off the top of my head? Each item in that list has a corosponding portion of the constitution or founder's laws it violates, if you do not wish to do a little studying to see exactly what the issue is with each one, I can summerize it for you, but I would prefer you go and look it up your self, you have a great deal to learn and the experience would do you good. Also, I do watch the 3 major news networks, but only as a spring board for my own research, I get the vast majority of my news and information from my own studies and a ton of alternative sources and other people who are just as involved as I, including people who have been very influential in state and national legislation and policy. So here we are, on the "starting all over again" point, ....an atempt at getting off on the "right foot" so to speak. Now, go back to my original post in this particular thread, take a moment and read each issue, they are issues not only with the Obama administration but also the bush adminstration and in some cases both, as well as a few that go back even further. If you think you have facts that counter each of those issues, than please, by all means bring these facts to light and show me specificly how I am wrong or do not know what I am talking about in each issue, preferably with the relevent text from the counstitution, founding documents, etc. Good day.
@peercc (332)
• India
29 Jun 09
Always, obama is better than bush.
@Bloggership (1104)
• Indonesia
28 Jun 09
I am not the citizens of the united states. But how do they sure that Obama are bad when he was still less than a year to sit on a president chair?.. Just give him a changes to do his duty and throw away those raciest matters... Don't blame Obama, but think what Bush have left for Obama...
@lampar (7591)
• United States
28 Jun 09
It is impossible for me to give you a 'correct' answer to your question , one man has been in office for eight years, another is less than a year, so there is no way for me to compare both men policy. Also the political environment both men inherited are different too, so there are many factors involve that make comparison very difficult, even their race is different that probably will make many people err in judgment.
@xfahctor (14126)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
28 Jun 09
Compairing the 2 is a bit like comparing apples to apples, there really isn't much difference. The democratic and republican parties, at least at the national level, are pretty much taking the country in the same general direction. Yet we continualy vote for one party over another election after election and some how manage to call it "change". The country hasn't been in "good hands" for years now. I have, in a number of posts, listed a host of things that Bush did or continued, that Obama is now continuing or expanding and asked supporters of the new adminstration to defend them, I have yet to see anyone even attempt to do so. Well, here they are again, or at least a short version of the list: 1. Border patrol check points in the MIDDLE of states no where near an international border, stopping U.S. citizens in their daily travel. 2. Blackmailing and bribing states in to passing laws. 3. The Patriot Act 4. F.I.S.A. 5. T.A.R.P. 6. United States military perforing civilian police duties or training to do so 7. The abuse of the interstate commerce clause to circumvent the 9th and 10th amendments 8. The general trend of centralizing power and authority, removing it from the states and more towards the general government.