Ok Democrats, Answer this one...

@ParaTed2k (22940)
Sheboygan, Wisconsin
June 28, 2009 1:58am CST
No one is defending Mark Sanford's dispicable actions here. He knew the risks of his adultery and lies, and made his choice. It's the end of his political career. But tell me something. What did Sanford do that Bill Clinton didn't do? Whatever happened to the Democrat standard of "that's between him and his wife"? If you spoke out for Clintons "privacy", but are now calling for Sanford's resignation, I think you have honesty issues.
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• United States
28 Jun 09
Sanford disappeared for 6 days to go to Argentina to be with some woman, he left the job for six days and I'm pretty sure that no one knew where he was. That is not being a responsible governor, Bill is a cheater, but his infidelity did not get in the way of his job. That is the biggest difference between the two. So no, it is not about "honesty issues", its about seeing that there are different circumstances between the two.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
28 Jun 09
Is there any extent you won't go to here? Didn't get in the way of doing his job? He was in the Oval Office while he and Lewinski were doing their thing... during normal business hours. In other words, Clinton WASN'T doing his job during that time at all. The only difference is, Bill lied through his teeth about the allegations, while Sanford didn't. Please, feel free to try another answer. After all, if Clinton is your role model then you're duty bound to keep coming up with answers until you find one that is "operable" lol
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
28 Jun 09
So it's the 6 days that he's under fire for? ROFL!!!!! They both had affairs while they were supposed to be working. They both deserve the same scrutiny. Honest people are willing to give them the same scrutiny.
• United States
28 Jun 09
Did Clinton leave for 6 days to be with Lewinsky, without telling anyone? Can you really compare the two? One is where, and I guess I have to be crude, something probably didn't take that long with Bill and Monica, the other is leaving for 6 days without telling anyone.
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@ZephyrSun (7381)
• United States
29 Jun 09
What did Sanford do? He got out his Bible and thumped on it talking smack about family values. He also dumped his children on Father's Day so he could got have a roll in the hay with his girlfriend. So as much as I dislike Bill Clinton, he's a lot better of a man than Sanford.
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@ZephyrSun (7381)
• United States
29 Jun 09
"And if I am wrong please let me know but wasn't Sanford and his wife seperated during this trip to "roll in the hay". Do we know if he "dumped" his kids on Father's Day or if he needed permission to visit them? Which, by the way, is between him and his wife and their sons! " They were not legally seperated, and if he had wanted to be with his children he could have filed a motion in court to get his children for Father's Day. I am divorced and I know exactly how it works. "Sanford said he and his wife were trying to "work through" the situation, and that his wife has known about the affair for about five months." (quote taken from website I'll post the link) Now, if I had cheated on my husband and really wanted to fix my marriage, I wouldn't go see the person I had an affair with. Or well maybe he was thinking of becoming a Mormon and thought his wife would join in. But, you'll have to answer this for me, I don't ever remember Clinton running on family values, and also Sandford was all over Clinton about his affair. Looks to me if you live in a glass house, maybe you shouldn't throw stones. You have to remember that Democrats do not run on the slogan, "I'm a big Bible thumper and think that we should run our country like the Bible" http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/06/24/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry5110133.shtml
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• United States
29 Jun 09
Piasa, I can't find any statement by Mark Sanford say anything about being seperated from his wife. During his press conference he stated that he cheated on his wife, if they were seperated then he would have said so at the time. How would you like it if your dad was out cheating on your mom on fathers day? This has alot to say about his morals, and I can't believe this guy is still in office.
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@heathcliff (1415)
• United States
28 Jun 09
Everyone defending the differences between Democrats in trouble and Sandford seems to be leaning on the "job abandonment" issue and I think you are too easily dismissing how important that difference is. However, I'll give you what I feel is the REAL reason: "People in glass houses should not throw rocks" Sanford at least said he bought heavily into the "family values" section of the Republican ideology. He was one of Clinton's biggest "values" critics and has publicly spoken about moral issues from a position of superiority. Democrats tend to be more open about the whole morality aspect of governance. Therefore when Sanford does this he is going to be attacked by not only the Democrats for his apparent duplicity, but by his own party for breaking the bond he seemed to have with them. You must realize it was the Republican Party that has come down on him so hard. Democrats will jump on the call for his resignation, of course, but not because of his affair. Therefore, anyone who wants to call for his resignation, but not Clinton's, is entirely justified (no honesty issues), but if after all these responders, you still feel that way, you may have some issues: I am coining it Anti-Democrat Paranoia, a fear that any calling themselves "Democrat" or "Liberal" is out to get you or your money and is therefore evil and incapable of rational thought. Reagan's friends in the Moral Majority seemed to have done a good job creating and promoting this mental disease since it still exists nearly 30 years later.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
30 Jun 09
The "abandonment" issue is a red herring. It supposes that the state of South Carolina was without a government for the days that Sanford was AWOL. That simply isn't true. Clinton and Sanford were both found derelict in their duties, both proved to be irresponsible jerks. But the left did nothing but make excuses for Clinton.. excuses their hypocrisy refuses to allow them to make for Sanford.
@sid556 (30953)
• United States
28 Jun 09
Actually, I am one that thought the entire Clinton issue was ridiculous as well as set up. The issue of adultery in my opinion is a personal issue between the husband and wife. I feel the same with Sanford's situation as well. He messed up in his marriage and it should be between him and his wife. The fact that it becomes a big political issue only serves to distract him from doing his job. In Sanford's case, he did let the affair distract him from doing his job. Also, let's not forget that Sanford was one of ones outspoken on having Clinton removed from office for his indescretions. I believe he owes Clinton an appology on that one.
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@spalladino (17891)
• United States
29 Jun 09
Can a Republican answer, too? I read some of the discussions in this thread but not all of them. You really can't legitimately compare vanishing without a trace for six days to Clinton having a quicky in the Oval Office...I don't care how hard you try. Sanford abandoned his post...he let down the people who put him in office and who put their trust in him by being unreachable with no one in charge. There is no excuse for that...I don't care who you compare it to.
• United States
29 Jun 09
"Can a Republican answer, too?" Yes, BUT you have to fax your membership card or noone will believe you.
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@spalladino (17891)
• United States
29 Jun 09
No one would believe my membership card either considering some of the opinions I've expressed!
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@dlr297 (5409)
• United States
28 Jun 09
I think that the problem that people are having with Mark Sanford is the he could not be reached for the days that he was gone. He had his cell phone turned off. He left the state with out any one in charge in his absence. Bill Clinton did not go away anywhere where he could not be reached in a emergency.
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@irisheyes (4370)
• United States
30 Jun 09
If the issue was just that he had an affair, he wouldn't have done anything different from a lot of other pols. It might be easier to criticize him because he was pretty unbending and made a few statements about Clinton's situation. (Nobody feels much sympathy for a santimonious politician.) But I think the big issue here is that the guy disappeared for several days while he was a sitting governor. Clinton was not MIA while president.
@anniepa (27955)
• United States
28 Jun 09
Actually the only Democrats with the right to call for Sanford's resignation are the Democrats of South Carolina. The rest of us can give our opinion and say he SHOULD resign or be removed from office, but that doesn't really count, does it? "What did Sanford do that Bill Clinton didn't do?" He LEFT THE COUNTRY several times, possibly using state taxpayers' money, to be with his lover and at least this one time nobody knew how to contact him in case of an emergency or disaster. But that's not even the big difference for me regarding the "personal issue". It's all about hypocrisy, Ted, and I think you know that. A cheater is a cheater is a cheater, I'm not disputing that. The names and exact scenarios are different but cheating is cheating and it SHOULD BE between a husband and wife. Certainly voters have the right to decide for themselves how important fidelity is to them when they cast their votes. What makes the actions of some of these politicians who have cheated worse than others is their righteous indignation when someone else had done it, most notably Bill Clinton. Newt Gingrich called for Clinton's resignation or removal from office while he himself was having an affair with a much younger staffer who is now his wife. John Ensign went after Clinton and David Vitter, the latter being while HE was having an affair with a campaign worker. Now there's Mark Sanford who also has the big "H" pinned on him along with the scarlet "A". However, I guess it's OK to have an "H" as long as one also has an "R", right? Annie
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
30 Jun 09
True, as far as we know, Clinton never left the country with Monica. However, he did illegally use his influence to get her government jobs and promotions. He did use taxpayer money to meet with her... and when he was caught, he lied like the little infant he is. He also encouraged Monica and others to lie under oath (which in itself is a felony). True, infidelity is a personal situation, and it's up to the husband and wife to decide what it means to their marriage. However, when the cheating is done on the taxpayer dime, it's no longer merely personal. If Clinton and Lewinsky did their deeds in the private residence of the White House, and never lied under oath about it, then he could claim "personal issue". However, when they dragged it into the Oval Office, it was no longer merely personal. If you caught an employee doing what Clinton and Lewinsky did in an office you run, would it be merely a "personal issue"? No. It would be something that you, as the employer, would have to deal with. Whether he ever wanted to admit it or not, Clinton was employed by We the People... There is no difference between what they did in the Oval Office and the "your employee" scenario.
@ZephyrSun (7381)
• United States
29 Jun 09
You know I asked my husband about that whole no one was in charge, what if something happened and the National Guard had to be called up. Why are they paying for the "vice" (LOL sorry I don't know what they call they down there" governor?
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• United States
28 Jun 09
Ted, Govenor Sanford left his state with NO ONE to lead the state. At no point in time was the country ever left with no leader during Clinton's play time. Clinton never left the country to get him some, unlike Gov. Sanford. Explain this one to me Ted: Many on the right are saying that him marraige was over before this; So why did he say that he cheated on his wife? Mr. Sanford also used TAXPAYER dollars to pay for his trips to see his "women". But, if this was a democrat doing this, I know that you would be defending his actions. LMAO.
@matersfish (6306)
• United States
28 Jun 09
What did Sanford do that Edwards didn't do. Well, wait. Did Sanford's wife have cancer AND have to suffer the embarrassment of Edwards trying to cover it up and lie about it until real proof came out? All things being equal, Sanford's "affair" was pretty run-of-the-mill! lol The press gets me. When it was Clinton allegedly raping someone (Coulter terminology, forgive me lol), everything was all, "Oh, right-wing smears!" When Edwards was alleged to be having an affair, it took a TABLOID to even cover the dang story! Sanford, on the other hand, brings out the joy and applause from every liberal who can't wait to say, "HAH, HYPOCRITE!" The left cannot hide anymore. Seriously, unless the left is speaking to the left, they haven't a shred of credibility. Calling Sanford a hypocrite makes them all hypocrites. They would never do that to one of their own. I know I'm not a democrat, so I should lay off this and wait for democrats to answer. But it's 3:15am, I'm half buzzed up, and I need the rant! :P
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
28 Jun 09
The incompetent press really shows their stripes don't they. If Sanford was a Democrat we'd still be under the impression that he was hiking on the Appalachian trail.
• United States
28 Jun 09
maters, the difference here is that Sanford abandonded his state with NO ONE in charge. He was in a different country while everyone in the country was told he was out hiking. Both Clinton and Sanford lied to their families, and their country. The difference is that Mr. Sanford left his job with no one in charge, and he also used TAXPAYER dollars to pay for his affair. It also should be noted that he did this on fathers day, which I'm sure was just another knife in his families back. So this would be the difference, but I know that conservatives will say that the LIBERAL MEDIA made him do it. LMAO
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• United States
28 Jun 09
Ted, if you are going to question the liberal media on this one, then you have to question the conservative media that didn't question when the governor left telling no one where he was going. This isn't the first time this has happened, and the media never questioned what was going on, even though there were whispers as to what he was doing. Should you be questioning the media in South Carolina as well?
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@lelin1123 (15594)
• Puerto Rico
28 Jun 09
I don't think it has to do with the affair more than the fact that he left the state with no one in charge. Also if you remember when Clinton had his affair Sanford spoke up big time of having Clinton impeached.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
28 Jun 09
Oh, I agree, Sanford is a class A hypocrite, no question about it. Yes, Sanford left the state, but he never lied under oath; never got his girlfriend jobs in the government and never pressured his girlfriend to lie under oath. Again, both are scummy, yet Democrats make excuses for one while calling for the resignation of the other. Sounds to me like Sanford isn't the only hypocrite in this saga.