Is it possible to have respect for elders and question authority?
By scheng1
@scheng1 (24649)
Singapore
July 1, 2009 12:16am CST
In our national newspaper, The Straits Times, there is an interview with Mr Ridzwan Dzair. This guy was a key player in promoting free trade within Asean from 1969 to 1999. His nickname was Mr Asean.
Being a Malay, he was very concerned with the attitude of the young Malays. The Asian culture is about respecting elders.
Mr Ridzwan says, "one of the negative aspects of the Malay culture is that we dare not question or say anything that runs contrary to opinions held by those in charge. Young people may have new ideas but they dare not express them. They go: 'Aiyah, never mind lah, we have to respect the elders and let them run the show.'"
Do you think it is possible to respect the elders and question authority at the same time? How would you go about it?
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9 responses
@handsomerohith (326)
• India
4 Jul 09
As you sow, so shall you reap. To gain respect from your children first you must respect your own elders in front of them. Not only that you have to respect each other too. We tend to take for granted that respecting each other is about enslaving each other. WE consider that respect is what we give to an authority figure, because we need to be in their good books. However, that is not respect, but disrespect since it is not something genuine.
Respect towards elders or any person, as a matter of fact is about honoring or holding in esteem an individual. It implies regarding an individual as a person of value and virtue. We all expect respect from others. But then do we actually respect others? For instance, because we are adults we tend to take our parents for granted. We tend to get irritated by every suggestion they make simply because we think that we can never be wrong. We then admonish them or ignore them. We do not realize that our children copy or rather mimic us. They then treat us the same way.
Apart from this even the way we address the servants, is the way our children will address them too. While your servant is hired by you and you have every right to give them orders the way you want, realize that they are still elders for your children. When you ill-treat or talk with disrespect to your servant, your child does the same thing.
It is vital to teach your child how to respect each individual, in order for him or her to command his or her own respect. And it all begins with you as a parent. Another aspect we overlook is also the way we talk about people in front of our children. For instance, when we bad-mouth somebody in front of our children, they overhear our conversation, disrespect that person and put us into an embarrassing situation. So it is very vital that we watch our own actions and words in the presence of our children, otherwise it will spell trouble not only for us, but also for them, as there would be nothing beyond disrespect in the dictionary of upbringing.

@mysdianait (66005)
• Italy
4 Jul 09
Scheng the user has copied this entire response from elsewhere on the web.
It has been reported so expect to see it disappear.
This is the source:
http://www.indianchild.com/virtues/respect_elders.htm
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@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
4 Jul 09
Hi handsomerohith, that's very true. And I think it's a very excuse for the elders to demand respect just because of their age. Many elders demand respect just because they are older, without thinking how they can help the younger ones to become wiser.
I guess no matter how weak a person is in one area, there are other areas that they are good at, and which command respect.
Even if we cannot respect someone for his or her personality, we can respect someone for his or her ability to do something which we cannot do.

@Canellita (12029)
• United States
3 Jul 09
It most certainly is though sometimes elders, like young people, need a lesson on what respect actually is. As long as one is not rude when expressing themselves elders are supposed to be mature enough to listen with open minds. They are also supposed to be wise enough to impart guidance if the new idea is somehow inapppropriate or not feasible.
The trouble is that elders are not always good listeners and younger folk are often lacking in patience.
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@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
3 Jul 09
Hi Canellita, the problem is worse when the culture does not permit the youngsters to speak out.
The Malays are Muslims and very religious. The elders can make all kinds of decisions. Many of them are not educated or received low education, and the younger generation generally is better educated. Even then, the elders sometimes think that they are more experienced, and should know better.
The young Malays might not dare to speak out, but they dare to ignore or take different actions.
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@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
3 Jul 09
Hi Canellita, with the younger generation receiving higher and better education than the elders, the situation will change soon.
Already in the workplace, many grandfathers are reporting to a boss as old as their grandchildren. Chinese and Indians do not have more religious restrictions as the Malays, so it is easier for us to question our elders, and to probe deeper.
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@Canellita (12029)
• United States
3 Jul 09
The elders are more experienced and in many cases they do know better but that does not mean they can not know different. Having more education does not make one smarter or wiser than an elder.
I live with/in close proximity to an elder who has nothing to do all day and wants to impart his knowledge on me and I don't have time to listen to tall tales, I don't need advice on situations I already have control over and I have may more education and information in my head than my grandfather ever could have hoped to have.
Elders have to feel they still have value and they learned what they learned about behavior and respect from their elders. Even when they know a different approach or new idea is a good thing they are still resistent, at least in public.
There are ways to communicate with elders that will make them more likely to listen. Young people in situations like what you have described will have to look for opportunities to talk to elders alone and make it seem like they are asking for advice.
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@rosdimy (3926)
• Malaysia
2 Jul 09
It is possible to respect the elders and question their authority at the same time. There is a proper way to do it.
As a Malay I do not totally agree with Mr Ridswan. The elders want to be respected, and at the same time they do not mind being asked for clarification, or listening to new ideas.
Unfortunately the young people are usually rather rude when asking questions, or when presenting their proposals. When they are rejected they become angry, instead of analysing the whole event to see where they went wrong. Most of them assume the elders are not up to date, therefore knowing nothing about things like advances made in technology.
The "why" question should be asked first. This may be followed by a query whether any changes had been made before, and what actually happened after that. If the proposal contains ideas which have not been tried before, then ask whether a suggestion could be made or not. Most elders welcome this way.
There is a Malay proverb describing a person like a tiger with sheathed claws. This should be borne in mind when talking to an elder. He or she may know a lot more that what we can see.
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@rosdimy (3926)
• Malaysia
2 Jul 09
We are actually looking at it from the same perspective.
There were cases of young people at work places who question the person in charge, as if the veterans are stupid. They get a 'kurang ajar'response. Thus the other young people become afraid to put their ideas forward. The communication gap remains, and the cycle continues.
For many years I have been harping on the point of elders behaving like the crab. Telling the youngsters to walk straight, while they walk sideways.
Most of my students trusted me because I tell them on a better way to approach the elders, wherever they may be. I also listened to what they had to say without prejudging them.
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@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
2 Jul 09
Hi Rosdimy, I think Mr Ridswan and you look at things from different perspectives. Young Malays are less likely to question authority in the workplace. They are more likely to follow the procedures, and not questions the company policy or procedures. They are less likely to question their managers too.
Maybe in personal life, they behave differently.
Some young Malays (sometimes older ones too) buy lottery just like the rest of the poeple in Singapore. You can see them joining the queue to buy 4d or toto. I doubt they will respect the elders when the elders counsel them on the gambling habit.
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@lampar (7584)
• United States
4 Jul 09
I can not see the connection between asking a question is equivalent to disrespect the elder's authority. In order to qualify as disrespect, the youngster has to swear or curse profanity on that elder while asking a question, and to question authority is when the young is disobeying the elder like own parent's order in carrying certain tasks . As far as i am concerned, asking a question from the young on elder is probably not allowed in Malay culture and is construed as lack of respect, so from cultural perspective, it is impossible to have both. 

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@lampar (7584)
• United States
9 Jul 09
That is understandable, even in Chinese or Indian culture, their young are not allowed to question the elders so that authority and control can be asserted on them. I think in the three major races 'culture in Singapore and Malaysia, it is a common knowledge among the youngsters there that the elders order are not supposed to be questioned and they need to follow blindly, not only young Malay are required to do so, that is probably one of the reason youth from both countries are not so rebellious compare to western youths where manner and respect for the old is not the norm in their society. 

@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
8 Jul 09
Hi Lampar, the older Malay folks are less educated, and most of them do not have more than six years of secular education, but they know about the religious, Islam, and maybe use the authority as the religious leaders to stop the younger generation from asking questions.
Most Malay guys work in big companies, and often under a younger boss. They do not question the decision of the younger bosses in the company.
I guess they only treat the younger Malays as "disrespectful" where family matters are concerned, or where religious matters are concerned.

@PeacefulWmn9 (10420)
• United States
2 Jul 09
Hello Scheng, yes, I do think it is possible to respect one's elders in general, and still question the authority of some of them. No one should blindly accept another's authority, especially if the power is used in a bad way or in a way that no longer makes any sense...even if that power is in the hands of an elder. I believe good changes occur when people unite together to make new laws or invent new and better ways of doing things, by communication and education.
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@JamieRose (168)
• Philippines
2 Jul 09
This is a nice topic. I think it is possible to respect the elders and question authority at the same time. If you want to ask something about a given rule/practice, go ahead. I think it is better to ask questions that by just simply following it without knowing the essence behind it. I guess that is real learning, knowing the why's and how's behind the what.
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@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
2 Jul 09
Hi JamieRose, I agree with you completely. In fact I learn more from my colleagues because I have the courage to ask, and seek clarification.
When I have some ideas, most of them stupid ideas, I would ask my boss what he thinks about them. Sometimes the first and only response is "won't work". That does not help, so I have to probe deeper, to find out why, and ask him to share his experience.
Usually he won't stop talking. Elders, especially in managerial capacity, are like that. They really like to talk!
@dragon54u (31633)
• United States
1 Jul 09
I think that respect for elders is very important. Look at history and you will see that when respect for the elders breaks down, the society begins a downward slide. Still, new ideas are important to keep a society fresh and prospering. You can disagree with the elders without showing disrespect, through discussion and education. Older people aren't stupid, they will change their minds if presented with facts in the right way. If they object strictly because it's new, you can't help it but most will agree with new ideas that improve the world.
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@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
1 Jul 09
Hi Dragon, in Asian countries, respect for elders is very important. We do not call those older people by name, always call "Mr xxx", unless the older people repeatedly tell us to call them by name.
The Malays are very nice people. They are Muslims, and very agreeable people. They rather keep a simple life, build good relationships with everyone, and family always come first. Too bad their respect for elders are carry to such extreme extent.
@eloouuu (176)
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2 Jul 09
I think what should firstly be considered is the definition of respect. Certainly an elder would see it as out of turn for a younger person to so much as question their ideals, their belief, even with the most honourable of intentions. I have to admit, I will not easily succumb to something that contradicts my way of life, for want of respect or not. I would never be deliberately impolite, always accepting of other peoples' opinions, I don't ever mean to cause offense but I simply could not uphold the moral principles of somebody else simply for the reason that they were older. Especially in considering that respect, by definition, works in both directions. Respect for elders should be deserved and should not be used as an excuse or a justification to be rude to the younger generations. Examples of this I have seen on more than one occasion when I have not been in the wrong but have been expected to come across as subservient to another point of view for no real reason other than respect for my elders.
Challenging authority is the only way that we can evolve. We cannot afford not to evolve, with times changing as they are. To live in old-fashioned times would be nonsensical, pointless. We as people, as a society, need to adapt and challenging this is what encourages it. It is simply not fair to conform to the perspective that older people are always right and I believe this is a well demonstrated belief of people who are older, who command this very respect. Hindsight is a powerful tool but there are many things we've come to change as a community; the acceptance of black rights and gay rights, for example, that would have seemed deplorable half a century ago. As it is, times change...
I do not believe for one moment that this is any reason to disrespect authority, on the contrary. But I believe that respect exists for everybody, not just the elders. Respect needs to be earned and earned alike. I largely agree that questioning authority can be done respectively and would believe this to be the best way to do so but to agree with something on the premise of being "too young to know better", I find wrong. As previously mentioned by dragon54u, older people aren't stupid but neither are younger people.
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@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
2 Jul 09
Hi Eloouuu, the situation of the young Malays is slightly unique.
For one thing, there are Muslims. Religion practically rules everything in their lives. If they fall in love with people from other non-Muslims, the non-Muslims must convert to Muslims, change their names in the national identity card, then they can marry.
The older folks will not accept any contradiction in areas where religion is concerned.
The problem is that in other areas, the older folks might not accept contradiction too. Even when the older folks are not educated, and the younger people are highly educated.
Fortunately the other races do not have such problems. We are not fearful to speak out, and ask the older folks to, at least, consider our standpoints.
@sjvenden27 (1840)
• United States
1 Jul 09
Good question.. Well I don't know if it is right but this is the way I look at it.. I respect my elders.. But if I do not understand something, or see it a different way I will voice my opinion with respect.. I do not see anything wrong with asking a question.. Or else you will never find out the answer.. I guess it has to do with my personality.. I can become the three year old version of "why"? When I am learning something new.. I figure if I ask all of the questions out front them when it is time for me to handle the task myself.. I will have the questions answered for the most part.. Then I will use logic and/or a bit of faith to get me through that particular task..
Now there are times that I do not agree with what my elders have to say, and/or authority figures have to say..Yes I may offend someone but well in the end I just try to speak the truth and the truth aint always friendly...
@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
1 Jul 09
Hi Sjvenden, I think the society plays a very important part.
When the elders do not expect young persons to question their authority, even though the younger ones are better educated, it is very hard for the younger ones to question authority.
I think you are very wise to keep on asking "why?". That will at least make the elders think, and justify their reasons for doing things certain way.
Asian society generally frown on questioning authority, but not as bad as that of the young Malays.







