does IGNORANCE can be an excuse?

@ckyera (17342)
Philippines
July 3, 2009 9:49pm CST
or it is IGNORANCE cannot be an excuse in any way? there are some people who do things that are against the law...or just against with someone or just not allowed them to do...and when they caught they just say that they do not know that that it is prohibited or not allowed... example, a person from the province who gets in the city, and since it is his/her first time there, everything is totally new to her/him...and for example, they crosses on a way that is not allowed or commit jay walking...and when they caught they will just say..oh i am sorry, i am new here and i don not know this...but still they are punished...coz their ignorance in such things is not an excuse to the law... so, is there any case that ignorance can be an excuse? or none at all? what if a person is no read, no write? what can you say? thanks and have a good day...your participation will be highly appreciated!
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9 responses
• Philippines
5 Jul 09
Yes, ignorance can be excuse if use properly with adequate valid reasons. The way we judge people actions is depending on how we see the situation or witness an events. Their are times we are annoy by the actions of the careless and insensitive people who don't mind if other people care. The cases where ignorance is an excuse. Let say for an example an illiterate mother accidentally let her child drink a pink liquid, claiming it is a medicine. When police, investigated and find out the woman cannot read what is written on the bottle. It is a fact and can be an excuse. A kind of ignorance that cannot be excused is an action that is intentional and is a lies. Even though, that is a saying that ignorance of the laws excuses no one. But, their is also a saying that in every law their is an exemption. The exemption is a legal battle between lawyer and the lawmaker. They have their own way to make an exemption in every policy.
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@ckyera (17342)
• Philippines
5 Jul 09
oh...but with that example when a mother accidentally let her child drink something that she thinks a medicine and harms the child...i think for the police her ignorance can be an excuse but not for the father of the child...coz she's a mother and so she must be careful specially on things that she puts in her baby's mouth... but yes you are right that everything depends on the extent of the damage done, the people who are looking and judging at it...and yes the lawyers have a big part here to prove in court that his clients action should be excuse or not... yes everything really depends on a situation... thanks!
@lingli_78 (12836)
• Australia
4 Jul 09
i don't think so... ignorance can never be an excuse and it is such a lame excuse anyway... nobody will take it... if you are ignorant about something and you make mistake because of that, then too bad... it is still your fault and you have to take responsibility for it... take care and have a nice day...
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@ckyera (17342)
• Philippines
4 Jul 09
hi lingli! thanks for the response! yes i think, no matter how ignorant we are in a certain law and we violates it, we are still responsible for our acts...and punishment will be just depend on the heart of the one who's enforcing the law, just what i said above... as some say"ignorance of the law excuses no one...' thanks again! :-)
@kun2349 (23464)
• Singapore
4 Jul 09
Ignorance can be a form of excuse but it can never be a reason for our own mistakes or wrongdoings ^_^ We can say what we like, and it all depends on the other party whether they believe in us or not.. haha =D LAws and rules are just guidelines to follow, but there are always some flexiblity within it ^_^ So, it depends on the offence we make, and how strict those enforcers wanna carry out their punishments ^_^
@ckyera (17342)
• Philippines
4 Jul 09
and so as the other one there says...in every rule there is an exemption?or exception? yes maybe, but some also says that ignorance is not an excuse in a law...not because you don't know the law you can be forgiven or acquitted for a crime or violation...but yes you are right it depends on the weight of the violation and on the heart of the judge... i remember one incidence when i went to my husbands place, i am new to that place and don't even understand their dialect much...i am on a jeepney with my husband who's my bf then, and then when we get near the mall where i was suppose to go, i told the jeepney driver if i can get down there(i mean get down from the jeepney on that particular place of the street...) then the driver told me, okay you can...just be fast. and so i do...not knowing that that place was not the right place for unloading passenger and thus the traffic officer came to me and told me that i am just committed jaywalking! huh! i am really shocked and surprised that i committed that violation without even knowing...and what happen is i ended up paying the violation fee...i just pay it instead of doing community service like cleaning the street! hehehe...i still pay even i told him that the jeepney driver told me that it is just ok to get down there and i really don't have any idea that that place is a no jaywalking place! its such an embarrassing and annoying experience that i can't forget...
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@kun2349 (23464)
• Singapore
4 Jul 09
hehe ^_^ Actually it's not your fault, but rather it's the driver's fault.. Since he allowed u to alight there, knowing fully u are not supposed to, he's taking a risk.. And if he were to be caught instead, he can push the blame on u, by saying u insist on him stopping there.. So, by now u should have learnt a lesson.. hehe ^_^ As for the traffic officer, he's just doing his job, and it's your luck to meet one who's so strict.. hehe ^_^ Just be careful the next time ^_^ Or maybe he's too serious in his job that, he has forgotten what is being compassionate and flexibility ^_^
@ckyera (17342)
• Philippines
5 Jul 09
hehe..yes i know and i have learned my lesson! i just feel bad that time coz that was the first time i am charged for violation on traffic ordinance...hehehe and the more disappointing part is that i don't really have any idea of it... in fairness to the officer, she's being nice to me, but just she still fine me for that violation...hehehe i remember her saying "sory ma'am, i am just doing my job, coz if i don't do it, i will be the one who will be charged!" hehehe and i understand her and just pay...good that i have extra money that time and fine is not so big amount! and she gave me a receipt...so it means what she do is legitimate...hehehe
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@HelScream (2823)
• Philippines
4 Jul 09
ignorance as they say excuses no one .... sorry got ignorant for a while Well it depends really I mean one must suffer the consequences if one does not abide the law .... but I think playing stupid or ignorant on the court would somehow reduce your sentence if you plead for sanity that I guess is the benefit of playing ignorant got ignorant again what am I saying lol
@ckyera (17342)
• Philippines
4 Jul 09
hahaha...yes it is...that's why some accused run to the excuse of being insane while they're doing the crime and that really lessen the punishment...if proven... but i think they will go to the hospital for insane or will need therapy for that...hehehe well, is insanity and ignorance the same? hehehe i think not.
@HelScream (2823)
• Philippines
4 Jul 09
see thats what I told you i said on the last part I got ignorant lol got you there my friend
@ckyera (17342)
• Philippines
4 Jul 09
haha...yes you got me there...! i didn't notice that ignorant on the last part! maybe i am sleepy already! hehehe
@zearah (5341)
• Philippines
4 Jul 09
Yes! In every general rule there is an exception if not an accessory rule. For example the ignorance here should be weighed as to the extent of the fault committed. If it is clearly or evidently he/she made the act, even if he/she has a way to know first, what should be the proper way, and he/she has the ability/capacity to do so - meaning if he/she avoided to check or intentionally disregard the rule. Here they deserved to be punished. But if the extent of ignorance is due to completely innocence and lack of knowledge to do so (know the rules as in Pribinsyano crossing not in pedestrian lane unable to read), it should be considered and excused provided he would observe the rule next of course after proper seminar or orientation. Actually even the Master of the universe - God could forgive the sinner in no constraints. Who are we to condemned and too proud.
@ckyera (17342)
• Philippines
4 Jul 09
ok got your point... but there are times that total ignorance, i mean even if you are ignorant in such a thing you can still be punished for the violation you made depends on the person who's looking at it...example a traffic enforcer, he can still charge you for violation of jaywalking even if you say to him that you are not aware of that and that you have really no knowledge about that coz you are new on that place...and they will just ended learning their lessons and be aware the next time..., i can say this coz it happened to me once...i wrote the story on my reply to casper above... yes you are right that God really forgive the sinner...but people are people and not because you charge someone who violates the rule even they are ignorant of the law meaning you are too proud...its just sometimes people are just doing their jobs and sometimes if we stick to the law...to tell you, law has no heart... so charges is depend on the heart of the one who is enforcing the law...i think... thanks for sharing!
@zearah (5341)
• Philippines
4 Jul 09
As you've mentioned a "traffic enforcer", in my own opinion is yes, they will surely ask a money for your violation whether you're a violator or a genuine innocent/ignorant 'coz this their main source of income eh he he, sorry to say (it might be only here in Philippines) Well take a look at their tummy if it's round and big means they're on my general rule if not then sorry... they're exempted.
@ckyera (17342)
• Philippines
4 Jul 09
oh well i know what you're talking about... but what happen to me in my husbands place i think is that the traffic enforcer there is a good one...coz he just charge me of the amount stated on their ordinance and did not ask for more and even give a receipt to me... how sad that e have bad impression to our traffic enforcers...when we all know that not all of them are like that...
@yugasini (12836)
• Anantapur, India
4 Jul 09
hi ckyera, once they are punished next time, they take care in doing things,if they cross their limits they have to pay a fine, that is correct
@ckyera (17342)
• Philippines
5 Jul 09
hi yugasini! thanks for participation...
• United States
4 Jul 09
I think a lot of people get away with a lot of things. I'm in california and for the most part if you tell an officer u don't speak english you can get away with a lot! I've seen it happen often. I've alsobseen people lie about having kids to get more benifits.
@ckyera (17342)
• Philippines
5 Jul 09
oh i see...but lying is different from ignorance... if you lie, its something that is intentional just to escape the punishment or just to have benefits... thanks for response!
@rainmark (4302)
4 Jul 09
For me, i think ignorance could be only an excuse if the person's really know nothing about the laws and rules , coz he is no read no write, he can't comprehende so he deserve second chance. But some people even they know the laws they still violating it coz the laws never imposed properly and they are just acting ignorant when they get caught to get away from punishment and that's not an excuse. Cheers.
@ckyera (17342)
• Philippines
4 Jul 09
i agree...there are some people who are capable of knowing the rules or even they already knew they just play ignorant about it just to have an excuse for their wrong doings...i think for some its the easiest way to escape...saying oh i'm sorry...i don not know this or that ...blah blah! thanks for sharing! :-)
• United States
4 Jul 09
I think a lot of people get away with a lot of things. I'm in california and for the most part if you tell an officer u don't speak english you can t more benifits.get away with a lot! I've seen it happen often. I've alsobseen people lie about having kids to ge