Palin Was FOR Cap and Trade Before She Was AGAINST It???
By anniepa
@anniepa (27955)
United States
July 16, 2009 3:05pm CST
You probably know by now that one thing soon-to-be former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin has done since announcing her resignation was to write an op-ed which appeared in the Washington Post, slamming Obama's "Cap and Trade" policy. I guess it could be said that it's admirable that she seems to want to become known as a bit of a "policy wonk" in her quest to be taken more seriously and make a difference. You can read her op-ed by clicking on the link below but what she basically said is that the cap and trade bill will mostly hurt the lower income people who are already struggling the most and that it will cost jobs and do long term harm to our economy. What she doesn't mention at all is "climate change", "global warming" or anything about the environment. This is an issue that has been and probably will continue to be debated forever but it should be noted that there are many who disagree with her main points and claim the opposite - for example the lower income people will enjoy a net savings and there will be over a million jobs created.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/13/AR2009071302852.html
As you can see from the article below and the excerpt I included here Palin seems to have flip-flopped from her own position on cap and trade during the 2008 campaign.
http://www.examiner.com/x-12720-DC-Environmental-Policy-Examiner~y2009m7d14-Out-of-Alaska-Sarah-Palins-next-move-to-attack-capandtrade-plan
Palin's criticism of Obama's cap-and-trade program for carbon emissions seems to contradict how she answered questions during the vice presidential debate:
Q: Let me clear something up: Sen. McCain has said he supports caps on carbon emissions. Sen. Obama has said he supports clean coal technology, which I don’t believe you’ve always supported. Do you support capping carbon emissions?
PALIN: I do. I do.
BIDEN: Absolutely. Absolutely we do. We call for setting hard targets.
(Source: 2008 Vice Presidential debate against Sen. Joe Biden Oct 2, 2008)
Here's a transcript from part of the interview with Katie Couric on climate change:
http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/10/01/palin-and-couric-on-climate/
Couric: I want to start with climate change, if I could. What’s your position on global warming? Do you believe it’s man-made or not?
Palin: Well, we’re the only Arctic state, of course, Alaska. So we feel the impacts more than any other state up there, with the changes in the climates. And certainly it is apparent. We have erosion issues and we have melting sea ice, of course. So what I’ve done up there is form a subcabinet to focus solely on climate change. Understanding that it is real.
Couric: Is it man-made in your opinion?
Palin: You know … there are man’s activities that can be contributed to … the issues that we’re dealing with now with these impacts. I’m not going to solely blame all of man’s activities on changes in climate. Because the world’s weather patterns … are cyclical. And over history we have seen changes there. But kind of doesn’t matter at this point, as we debate what caused it. The point is it’s real, we need to do something about it. And like … Tony Blair had said … when he was in leadership position, he said, “Let’s all consider the fact that it is real.” So instead of pointing fingers … at different sides of the argument as to who is to blame, and if nature just to blame, let’s do something about it. Let’s clean up our world. Let’s reduce emissions. And let’s go with reality.
Couric: Because, if it’s not man-made, then one might wonder, well, how can human beings contribute to a solution?
Palin: Well, human beings certainly are contributing to pollution today. And to some adverse effects on the environment. And it’s all of our jobs to do to clean things up. And that’s what we’re committed to doing.
Couric: So you do believe … that man is contributing to global warming, because you just said they’re causing pollution. Of course, pollution causes global warming.
Palin: I believe that there are a lot of causes. And there is one effect. And one is changes in the climate. And there are things that we can do to make sure we’re cleaning up the environment. I also formed an integrity office that solely is focused on petroleum, on pipelines, on those things that we do up there in Alaska to contribute to the U.S. domestic supply of energy.
Where we can focus solely on environmental protections. There are a lot of things that I’ve done there in that arena of environmental protection that have kind of ticked off some in my own party thinking that I went too far. But I’ve always been of the mind that, you know, we gotta prove that we can do this right. Safely, ethically, environmentally friendly developments, or we’re not gonna be allowed to unlock our lands and tap these supplies.
Couric: John McCain proposed legislation calling for mandatory caps on global warming gases or CO2 emissions. Do you agree with that?
Palin: I support his position on that. Absolutely.
Couric: But he somewhat backtracked on the campaign trail saying it wouldn’t, they wouldn’t, the caps wouldn’t be mandatory, they’d be voluntary. So what do you think? Do you think voluntary caps go far enough? Or they should be mandatory?
Palin: He’s got a good cap and trade policy that he supports. And details are being hashed out even right now. But, in principle, absolutely, I support all that we can do to reduce emissions and to clean up this planet. And John McCain is right on board with that.
Couric: Voluntary or mandatory in your view?
Palin: We’re gonna keep working on how it can be implemented to actually make sense and make a difference.
So, Sarah was for cap and trade before she was against it? She's clearly contradicted HERSELF in her Washington Post editorial. I know, people change their minds for various reasons but I haven't seen or heard of Palin acknowledging that she ever felt any differently than she does today.
Any thoughts?
Annie
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12 responses
@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
16 Jul 09
Annie, you did a great job of pointing out the hyprocracy here, and giving FACTS. I don't think any of us non-Palin lovers are surprised by this, but you are the ONLY person I have heard bring this up. I agree with your assesment 100%, but you know as well as I do her flip flopping with be blamed on someone else. Because, Sarah Palin could NEVER contridict herself, or lie to the American people, we just didn't understand her, or she didn't understand that question. Remember it was the McCain people that made her do it.
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@Rollo1 (16676)
• Boston, Massachusetts
16 Jul 09
From above:
Couric: Voluntary or mandatory in your view?
Palin: We’re gonna keep working on how it can be implemented to actually make sense and make a difference.
There's no "yes, I support mandatory caps" in that answer.
There's no flip-flop until someone points out where Palin said she supported mandatory caps or the Waxman-Markey bill.
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@irishidid (8687)
• United States
17 Jul 09
If we're determining a person's qualifications to run the country based on gestures then I call Obama's presidency nil and void for picking his nose.
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
17 Jul 09
I've said for a long time and MANY times that "flip-flops" in and of themselves aren't always a bad thing. However, when someone does a complete 180 and doesn't even acknowledge that she's ever felt any other way or even SAID she felt another way, that's when I have a problem.
Annie
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@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
16 Jul 09
Obama's minions don't care if he flip flops. They won't even address the issue. I think it says a lot that people who support Palin can actually defend her, but when there is clear proof of Obama's flip flops and lies, his minions just hide until they find a new excuse to bash Palin.
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@irishidid (8687)
• United States
16 Jul 09
You know if Obama hadn't had some "flippety flops" of his own your words might mean something. Oh well, guess they don't.
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@Rollo1 (16676)
• Boston, Massachusetts
16 Jul 09
Supporting as yet unwritten legislation that would reduce carbon emissions is not the same as supporting a specific bill, in this case the Waxman-Markey bill. That isn't a contradiction, it is objection to a specific piece of legislation.
I could be for the general goal of preventing litter but still not support a bill that would require mandatory jail sentences for tossing a wrapper on the sidewalk.
She did not, in anything that you quoted, support this cap and trade bill that you suggest she flip-flopped on. The devil is in the details, I know.
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@revellanotvanella (4033)
• United States
26 Jul 09
annie, are you serious? Excuse me, I supported Obama from the very start but that doesn't mean I get all foggy-eyed when he does a complete 360 and ignore it, you darn right I'm going to hold him accountable, it has nothing to do with republican/democrat--its about We The People and right now our rights are getting
trampled
@irishidid (8687)
• United States
16 Jul 09
So explain to me the difference with her supporting McCain and Biden supporting the stupid things Obama has done and visa versa.
I have no respect for jokes like Couric. I'd be more apt to pay attention to an actual journalist not an Obama is my god groupie.
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@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
16 Jul 09
Irish, Annie did a great job of pointing out the FACT that Palin flip flopped on the cap and trade issue. There was no tricking her, there was no putting words in her mouth, she approved of it during the election, and now she does't. Durning the 2004 election all he heard from republicans is how Kerry "flip flopped" on all of theses issues. Now a republican is doing the exact same thing, and it is someone elses fault. What ever happened to PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY?
@irishidid (8687)
• United States
16 Jul 09
So it's okay for Obama and Biden to do it in support of each other but not for Palin? I really don't care if she flip flopped or not. She's not the one ruining the country and driving us in the wrong direction, spending money we don't have. That would be Obama.
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@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
16 Jul 09
It's not even a real flip flop since she never said she was against capping carbon emissions, nor did she ever say she supported Obama's cap and trade plan. The liberals on this thread don't seem to realize that the two are NOT the same thing. Her big issue with the bill isn't about carbon emissions, it's about the cost to the American taxpayers and our economy. She doesn't want energy costs to "necessarily skyrocket" as Obama put it. The liberals are just obsessed with the belief that the rich will pay for it all so they can get what they want for free.
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@suspenseful (40192)
• Canada
17 Jul 09
So because Palin was for cap and trade at the beginning, she must never never ever listen to her constituents (which I am sure that they did write letters and explained that they could not afford to pay higher gas prices) when they asked her to reconsider. It is a sign of a good politician that he or she listens to what the people say and decides what would be best. So on consideration of what Alaska wanted, Palin decided that a cap and trade was not a good idea and if you did read that interview she was saying that man was only partly responsible.
But if it comes to issues such as same-gender rights, abortion, etc. you expect conservatives such as Palin to change their minds unless it is about an issue such as global 'warming' cap and trade and humans being wholy responsible for the
'high' temperature of the earth. So when it does get really cold, and we have longer winters, are we going to be blamed for that as well?
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
16 Jul 09
Well I thought the hesitance on her part in the interview was obvious. This was probably one of those issues where she disagreed with McCain, but didn't want to oppose him publicly. We already know that the two disagreed on several issues, but it doesn't make for a unified ticket if they take opposite stances publicly. Simply put, it was McCain's policy, not hers. She was just supporting the man at the top of the ticket.
I think the toughest thing as a VP candidate is getting behind someone and not voicing your opposition to their policies. Biden disagreed with Obama on policy issues and was known for the occasional gaffe where he openly admitted it as with the clean coal issue. Palin had also said something to the effect of her opposing the bailout at first, but had to be quiet about it because McCain was stupid enough to support it.
I would also point out that there is a difference between wanting to limit carbon emissions and supporting Obama's cap and trade. I think EVERYONE wants to reduce carbon emissions, it's just not cost effective and right now Obama's plan would seriously harm Americans who are already struggling to pay their electric bills.
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
17 Jul 09
Actually, it will help Americans who are struggling to pay their electric bills now according to the CBO. As far as Palin just supporting the man at the top of the ticket since she had very publicly voiced her support on this particular issue shouldn't she have cleared it up when she chose to write an op-ed about the same issue? She could have explained that she'd come to change her mind or been more specific about what she had been for then and is now against and what differences there are between the two.
Annie
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@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
17 Jul 09
Annie, you missed my point that this bill didn't exist then. Reducing carbon emissions is something everyone can agree is good, but when cost becomes a factor it's not necessarily the best idea. The CBO's findings do not coincide with the findings of other organizations that have put the cost at anywhere from $700 a year to $1600 a year. The CBO is known for underestimating the cost to the American public.
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@smileonstar (4007)
• United States
17 Jul 09
Hello,
I haven't read the whole news on those website yet but as me, myself a manager at this small shop, I want to say... Economy is not changing... it is getting worst and worst. No jobs were creat and people keep loosing their job. My store income drop down in half...
I dont know what they are doing up there but I seem like more jobs are outside the US but nothing here at all. It is really hurt and scary situation now. I have been sitting here almost like 2 hours but only 1 customer.
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@ZephyrSun (7381)
• United States
18 Jul 09
LOL Just like she was for the "Bridge to Nowhere" before she was against it. Makes you wonder what else she was for before she was against.
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@6precious102 (4043)
• United States
21 Jul 09
I thought it was a woman's prerogative to change her mind.
@andy77e (5156)
• United States
17 Jul 09
Of course the real story here is how little difference there was between McCain and Obama. Had there been a contender that said openly the truth that CO2 is not causing global warming, I would have supported that Candidate.
Instead we ended up with two democrats running against each other. Both with the same stupid unsupportable theory that man made CO2 is going to change the climate of the entire planet.
As for Palin, this isn't all that surprising. As VP, you pretty much have to follow whatever view the president is supporting. Palin would have been better off not to run, than run for someone who supports positions she is opposed to. Considering that Palin was consistent with her views prior to joining the McDemocrat campaign, I wager this is what happened.
Of course this goes back to the real point, which is all politicians are liars in general. Although democrats are the kings, Republicans are not immune either. Their all politicians at the end, saying whatever happens to be political advantageous at the moment.









