Went to pick my autistic son up from school. His teacher was almost in tears.

@mommaj (23112)
United States
July 20, 2009 1:19pm CST
My kids go to a year round school. Today was their first day back. I went to pick my autistic son up from school. His teacher was almost in tears. The teacher has a helper/aide. The new school year is bringing changes for the special ed. pre-k. This means handicapped children five and under are transitioning into a new way of doing things. Change isn't bad and that's not what had everyone upset. The teacher had to take approximately eight children through the lunch line for the first time today. Last year the teacher would send in a lunch menu checked off with what the children would eat. I want to say that out of the eight about four of them needed their hands held. The trays also had to be carried and none of the students are capable of that. Needless to say, I had a call in to the district office regarding lunch discrimination and harassment. The lunch ladies wouldn't give the children anything to eat on their tray until the child "picked" something. Most of these kids aren't capable of pointing or talking and they HAD to point. I let them have it. The teacher is certainly capable of choosing the foods for the children that don't speak. She was in tears because they didn't let her help those kids. I went to the principal's office first and then placed the call that was needed. What would you do?
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@Foxxee (3651)
• United States
22 Jul 09
That is awful. I would of been upset myself. I think it's pretty ridiculous about only having 1 teacher & 1 teachers aid in a classroom with specail needs children. I strongly believe there should be more aids helping out. I know my sons teacher had 2 aids & they only had a total of 5 kids. 3 of them Autistic the other in a wheelchair & another had DS. I also use to work in the school system/daycare system as well & there are laws about how many kids can be in a classroom per teacher & as far as I know, in a special needs classroom it is required to have more aids then usual. I'm surprised this teacher had only 1 aid. I would request this teacher get another aid. Things would be so much less stressful for the teacher. The teacher needs to be free of all this extra stress. Our children pick up on stress & then that is when caos kicks in. As for the lunch ladies... wtf? Are they new? Are they even human? That is just sad.
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@Foxxee (3651)
• United States
23 Jul 09
Maybe try contacting the health department or DHS? I do believe they can tell you the correct laws on how many teachers aids should be in one classroom that cares for children with disabilities. They require 1 main teacher & 2 aids in just a small classroom of 5 children were we live. Plus the max limit of kids in one room is 10 & they would have to get another aid or 2 if more students were to attend. But this is only required for the special needs classrooms. You would think this be a must all over, not just certain areas or certain schools. A classroom for the special needs children needs several aids for different areas. I swear the teachers & parents need to go on strike until they offer these teachers the help they need. I would find out the laws there. I'm curious myself how it works where your from. If the law is saying there is no need for another aid, then maybe you should fight that. Ralley up the parents girl. LOL. I'd back you up if I was in that area. good luck!
@mommaj (23112)
• United States
23 Jul 09
That's a good idea. Thanks for suggesting the dhs. I have a couple of fires to put out today and I may give that a try. I want those kids to have as good of an education as they can. The teacher is really great and she loves them. You can see that she loves them. I am glad I was lucky enough to get him to that teacher but I am doubting that school.
@mommaj (23112)
• United States
22 Jul 09
I don't think the lunch ladies are human. I wonder if they even bleed the way they act sometimes. I can't imagine treating any child like that, much less a handicapped child. It's funny you mention the teacher and the stress because that is exactly what I told the principal. I also let her know the kids are super sensitive to outside stimuli. For kids that won't look at you, they certainly know when something isn't right. I would love for them to have more help. I am sure if I asked they would tell me that is all the law requires. I offered to help. I get the feeling they aren't going to call me because my son would want to be with me.
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@mari61960 (4893)
• United States
21 Jul 09
Wow, that is just unacceptable by any standards. When these changes were being discussed there should have been an advocate for the special need students. Having special ed classes means the school system should be ready for this. The teacher must have known about the changes and hopefully she tried to address these issues before school started... If not then shame on her. The principle should have consulted with the teacher before school started to be sure she had what she needed to prepare these children for change. The cafateria staff should have been trained in special needs and at least have been given some training and guidelines. It should be common knowledge that special ed. students don't handle change easily at times, especially when it has not plan. I feel bad for all involved. I am glad you stood up for these kids, what a shame to do this to them on their first day back. Good luck, don't stop until you make them fix the problem. Brightest blessings, Mari
@mari61960 (4893)
• United States
22 Jul 09
I'm so glad to hear it is working out, so far anyway. That would have been really sweet, I wish he had mauled them all.... the cakes that is...lol Brightest Blessings, Mari
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@mommaj (23112)
• United States
21 Jul 09
I appreciate your kind words. My understanding was the teacher didn't have any knowledge of this until yesterday. I know that the cafeteria workers have a hard job of pushing kids through especially when they don't want to choose what to eat. These kids CAN'T choose so it's a difference. They didn't let the teacher help. They wanted the kids to choose. Today, everything went much smoother. They let the teacher choose what the kids wouldn't choose. I want to smack who ever thought this up and didn't train the cafeteria help. These kids deserve much better than what happened to them yesterday in an environment where they are supposed to feel safe. They have no idea how mad they made me. I can guarantee you, I now have a name at that school. I was talking through my teeth when I told the receptionist I wanted to speak with the principal. What made it ironic was there were other people there and I was the one to let the principal know it was a matter I wanted to speak to her about in private. She thought it was about an issue with my daughter that happened in the cafeteria. LOL She forgot I had a son and she even heard his meltdown. She had lunch duty when he came through. Anyway, by the time I left the office everyone was making faces not sure what was up. The principal seems to be on the side of the children. Today it all worked out. They opened the lunchroom early so the kids could go through when there weren't other kids there. DUH! They also let the teacher help. I was told my son actually chose cake. I just laughed. What child wouldn't! He just loves the icing, so they actually had to grab him before he put his hands into all the cake pieces. LOL Serves them right!
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@mommaj (23112)
• United States
22 Jul 09
I would have loved to see his little fingerprints all over the cakes. That would have gotten their attention. LOL
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@horsesrule (1957)
• United States
16 Aug 09
OMG, that is horrible! Those poor kids, what were those people thinking? Or not thinking? That is complete and total discrimination and harassment and is also a very mean thing to do. What is wrong with those people? The lunch line is something that should be worked up to with one special needs child at a time, sort of a transition to the way things are done, not thrown into the deep end like that!
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@mommaj (23112)
• United States
16 Aug 09
Exactly! That's what I told the principal. The cafeteria ladies are trained to make the kids choose their food and get through the line. They treat all the kids like that. I couldn't believe it. The special ed class now goes through the cafeteria when there is no other kids in there. They no longer have to choose their food if they aren't capable of choices. I was so disgusted with that school. We spent a short time in AL and my son had the experience of walking in line to pe, walking in line to music, walking in line to counselor, and walking in line to lunch. They even ate in the cafeteria and not the classroom. I told the principal if she wanted them to reach their potential by setting their standards higher, she should try these other activities as well. I don't know what the heck is wrong with the school district here. I really didn't expect AL to be so much further ahead then a state that has all different types of people.
@mrakobesie (1246)
• United States
23 Jul 09
oh my god, this is terrible. I'm glad to hear that things got better, but this is really insane. they had no right to do this to poor kids. i'd like to see these lunch ladies in the kid's shoes. To be honest i don't even know what i would do in this case, but my first thought would be something along the lines of school not being good enough to take care of these kids. kids have to be protected, especially special ed kids. my mom was a special ed teacher and i used to visit her at work, i've seen these kids, they have to be taken very good care of. and her kids weren't even that sick, they mostly had only mild mental retardation. Kids like that can also get very confused and scared if they are in the situation where they have so many choices and someone tries to make them point when they can't even do it. they had to prepare the lunch room personnel as well as anyone else who might come in contact with these kids ahead of time. honestly i'm getting angry just imagining what the children were going through only psychologically, never mind staying hungry, but their psychological world is very fragile. I absolute hate it when people are not considering the fact that people have feelings, no matter if they are handicaped or not. children, especially special ed children are very sensitive to this type of treatment. I think you did a very good job protecting these kids.
• United States
23 Jul 09
I just told my boyfriend about this, he got pissed too. he worked with kids who had autism, he actually used to teach them martial arts and he was telling me just now how the kids were progressing. One of the kids he was training went from sitting and looking around then starting to shout and then just getting up and running to a kid who could sit still for 4 minutes and was actually able to kick and throw punches. they weren't the hardest punches for his age, but considering what he started with (he was just kind of flailing his hands instead of punching) it was a huge progress. So yeah, we basically ended up talking about how much kids could learn as long as you are giving them your time and are patient with them. they can't be rushed and they can't be pushed into doing things that they are not used to, like in the cafeteria. He also told me about kids who ended up going to regular classes and getting Bs, very touching stories. I truly hope your son will become one of these success stories, i'm sure he can.
• United States
23 Jul 09
and you doing a right thing sticking your nose there, who else would protect kids if not their own parents? parents know what is better for the child much more then schools do... if it wouldn't be for parents like you, schools would've been much worse, although they are not perfect now ether, but it wouldn't be even this if it wouldn't be for parents. in russia they say "kids are flowers of life" i think it's very true, they are beautiful, gentle and vulnerable. I hope your son can get better and will be able to have a great life. good luck.
@mommaj (23112)
• United States
23 Jul 09
I appreciate your kind words. I hope someday he will be able to. Unless he changes a lot in the next year he won't be able to go to kindergarten next year. As a parent that is a hard realization to make. You always have big hopes for your kids. I am trying to get him into therapy this year just so he might have a chance at going to kindergarten. I love kids. I always have. I used to pop into my daughter's kindergarten class just to make sure she was okay. We had such a hard time with her going to school because the kids were a lot rougher and louder than she was used to. We brought her back to Florida and she is so happy. Finishing her year out here, she didn't cry and say she didn't want to go to school. The teacher was soft spoken and easy going. It was perfect for her. I try to make sure that no child is hurt. I am usually sticking my nose where it doesn't belong as a concerned parent.
@irishidid (8688)
• United States
20 Jul 09
Are the lunch ladies employees of the school district or of a separate company? Around here the lunches are provided by a company the school district hires. I'd find out and make a complaint against them. I have no doubt these women knew or were told these kids don't talk or point. What they did was definitely discrimination and harassment. They should lose their jobs. Ignorance is not an excuse.
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@mommaj (23112)
• United States
20 Jul 09
That's exactly what I said when I was told it was a training issue and the employees weren't ready for today. The lunch staff is from the school. I was so hot. If the school offers handicap classes they need to offer services to support the classes.
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@Canellita (12029)
• United States
20 Jul 09
When I got through going off, I would have threatened lawyers and news crews. That is absolutely ridiculous.
@mommaj (23112)
• United States
20 Jul 09
I got my return call and they said tomorrow everything would be different. I'm sure it will be different because if not news papers and television reporters are going to be called in. I didn't have to threaten lawyers after I said harassment and discrimination. I was told they weren't trained for today. I let him know if they offered special ed classes, they also had to offer lunch services for the handicapped. I am still mad. He told me they were meeting at the school tomorrow with the principal. I told him I appreciated the effort but the principal isn't with the children all day and I would like for the teacher to have input. She knows or at least has some knowledge of what the children like and are capable of.
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@mommaj (23112)
• United States
23 Jul 09
I would have thought cafeteria staff would be trained better. They are in an elementary school for heavens sakes! Does that mean they do that to the other students. It's wrong even for regular kids to be treated like that.
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@Canellita (12029)
• United States
23 Jul 09
This is just amazing to me. In the modern world you would think things like this would not exist; that intelligent people would have figured out a better way to address such things.
@albert2412 (1782)
• United States
29 Jul 09
I feel very sorry for your son and the other children that you are talking about. Our oldest son became autistic at age 12 right after getting the MMR vaccination containing mercury. He stopped talking, etc. We took him out of school because he was being physically mistreated by some other kids. One of his teachers accidentally told us about what was going on. We have homeschooled him. We give him supplements and chelation to remove the mercury. He is much better now, but not fully well yet. Did you get the school district to stop making the autistic children pick out their own food and carry their own trays?
@mommaj (23112)
• United States
29 Jul 09
Sorry to hear that your son got it at such an older age. I feel that is even worse than getting it at a younger age because your son had a developed personality and then it was gone and he wasn't who he once was. I feel that it was extremely aggravating for the parents that had the lawsuit and the courts decided it wasn't the fault of the vaccines. Who is in whose pockets? The next day, as promised, the principal was there with the county representative. The kids went through the cafeteria before the other kids entered and the teacher had help carrying the trays. I was glad to hear that no one was forced to choose. I may still have to sneak in there one day.
@jend80 (2071)
• United Kingdom
5 Feb 10
I'm sorry but I've never heard if there being any such thing as becoming autistic at the age of 12. Are you sure your son wasn't already slightly on the autistic spectrum but unnoticed (I wasn't digagnosed as being HFA/ASD until I was 23!) and the hormonal pressures and changes of pubety/adolescence caused a severe regression? Or that he was brain damaged/poisened by the vacination that wasnn't autism - not that likely though because if the MMR vaccine/vacines containing Mercury somehow makes all people who have it done 'turn' Autistic at whatever age, they'd be a lot more people and actual scientific evidence of people going from 'normal' to autistic overnight.
• Columbus, Ohio
28 Mar 16
Your son did not become autistic. Vaccines did not cause his autism. A child is born autistic. It is neurological and genetic. Supplements do not cure it. I feel sorry for the poor kid who has a parent of such incomprehensibly low intelligence.