Michael Jackson's dad finally gets what he deserves! The cycle will be stopped..

@dloveli (4368)
United States
July 20, 2009 7:00pm CST
When Michael Jackson passed I was very upset because I had loved him since childhood. I had also stated that I too saw the superstar change for the worst right before my eyes. I always knew that MJ wasnt doing these things to himself or allegedly to others just because. It has long since been known that MJ and the other brothers suffered terrible abuse by their father, failed singer Joe Jackson. The ultimate proof was when MJ himself did an interview in the mid 90's with Martin Bahij. I think that was his name. Anyways he told all the world that he was beaten severely while the mother screamed " Your going to kill them JOE!" This along with MJ own account of his upbringing in the book he wrote MOONWALK explains alot. I was afraid that because MJ requested his mother to take the children that the cycle would begin again. Fortunately I wasnt alone. The biological mother Debbie Rowe than stated she wanted custody. I couldnt understand why until today. SHe states publicly that she wants to make sure Joe J. doesnt get them. According to her MJ and her had spoke at length about this during the pregnancies. I believe her. Hopefully the judge will do his homework and research why people are trying to keep these children from Grandpa Jackson. According to court documents he has said he will step aside. Why would you do that if it wasnt true. I know that MJ's actions have been in question many times. I just wonder that when his son was going thru all this what he was thinking. I am not a vengeful person. However, this man took something from his children by forcing them to sing. Because they became successful he felt it was all for the good. NOT! Thank God the cycle will stop today... DL
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19 responses
• United States
21 Jul 09
I think that Joe Jackson is such an opportunistic weasel . I cannot believe that a grieving father would look almost happy , like he was having fun at the B.E.T. awards show , when that aired . I believe that MJ was innocent . The fact that a multi-millionaire would open his multi-millionaire HOME to disadvantaged STRANGERS , how could anyone NOT believe that some of these people would not try to take advantage of the unbelievable access to fame and richness that they had gotten all of the sudden . Just because their children are sick , does not make a person or their family angels or saints . Money is money , and everybody and anybody who is of a scummy character , in the first place , is susceptible to the green greedy monster popping out the minute a lil' cash and glamour and some glitter is flashed in front of them . I never believed those accusations ! I could see right through them ! And now that poor MJ is gone , his kids are up in the air . And they were a REAL family just like any other , MJ and his kids . The reason he had masks on them and veils when they were smaller and more vulnerable was because it wasn't anybody's darn business or RIGHT to see or be eyeballing or gossiping and taking pictures of those children . It just wasn't . Michael left them with his mother , but I feel like , even though it isn't an option , that I wish Janet would've gotten them . I feel like she is the most stable , legit , honest in her feelings for MJ , and the best choice from out of the whole family . There has to be a really GOOD reason why MJ separated himself from them , such as maybe a lack of sincerity from the family , or some of the family members . Money was probably one of the things that some may have had on their mind , more so , than a real relationship of love with MJ . And he probably knew this . You know ?!!! Debbie , I think that she just wants cash . ONLY . I think that she truly loved MJ , but not so much the kids . She wanted MJ to have and to keep them , himself , and not bother her with them . Janet , I think , wouldn't let Joe mess with or harm those kids . And besides , I DON"T think that she is intending on having any lil' ones of her own anyway . I think she'd be a great mama to Prince , Paris , and Blanket . It's too bad she wasn't put in the will as an option .
@dloveli (4368)
• United States
21 Jul 09
Angel you have said it ALL! I, too, believe that Janet should be the guardian of all three. From what I have read, Katherine Jackson is admitting she is too old to raise these kids. If Debbie Rowe were to get them, she would only get the two oldest. The younger of the three will be left alone. NO ONE should want the children to be separated. This is where people have to put their feelings on the back burner and think of the kids only. There are numerous documents, tapes, and witnesses that have stated MJ hasnt been close to his family in years. Its also said that the will they're using right now isnt the latest one. I think you and I should decide the case. I wish!lol. If it was me, I would give the children to janet or Rebe (the older sister). Janet already has money so I figured at least that wouldnt be an issue. Whatever the outcome is, I think we can safely say that Joe Jackson wont be raising any more children. Thank heavens. dl
@zed_k4 (17624)
• Singapore
21 Jul 09
I'm so against abusive parents, be it father or mother. I feel worried about the children too and if they could stay with Janet Jackson that would be great.. she looks like a fine, gentle soul and Paris, late MJ's daughter, seems to have this bond with her. I think with the rest too but when she hugged Janet, I was moved.
@dloveli (4368)
• United States
21 Jul 09
Janet does seem to have bonded with the children. It was clear to see at the memorial service. She doesnt have any children of her own so that would be a good thing. I only hope she thinks so. If not at least give them to Rebe the other sister to raise. Debbie Rowe hasnt tried to contact them in a number of years. From what has been reported neither Katharine Jackson or Debbie Rowe had much contact with them or their father in the last few years. Cross our fingers that Janet wants them and gets them. Dl
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@zed_k4 (17624)
• Singapore
21 Jul 09
I hope so too. It would be really great if the kids will be with Janet, like you have said.. I don't like that Debbie person too. Looks erm, I don't know how to put it..and perhaps the kids don't want her too..
• United States
21 Jul 09
I don't know what it is with these old show business fathers being such monsters. Back around the time Joe Jackson was terrorizing his family the Osmonds father was doing the same thing. I was unfortunate enough to witness just how Father Osmond treated his family during a ten day period when the Osmonds appeared on the same bill as my ex husband band so I got to see close up how he behaved during rehearsals. I also just hope that these children are kept away from Joe Jackson but I am not sure if Debbie Rowe is such a good idea either. The other members of the Jackson family seem to have a real close relationship with the children so I hope they will have some say in the matter.
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@dloveli (4368)
• United States
21 Jul 09
Wow Whiteheather, I wasnt aware of what the Osmonds went thru. I have never heard that. But to see it first hand must have been something. Come to think of it Marie has had some issues, mentally and physically. She had some bouts with depression as well as her weight loss issues. Had I known that it would have explained alot. Its just what I said.Just because you're a celebrity and become rich and famous, doesnt mean that everything that happened beforehand is forgotten. Maybe money and fame puts it on the back burner. Eventually there is always someone new that pushes you down a peg or two on the ladder of fame. when this happens it gives you more time by yourself. Then you start to think and the troubles begin. I am not a psychologist and I can see this. Why is it that showbiz people dont. The truth is they do but dont care about the celebrity's well being. They only care about their percentage. Shame on them. dl
• United States
21 Jul 09
Thanks for BR
• United States
24 Jul 09
yeah i hope that janet gets the kids honestly.. i had read that he was wanting to make up a new will to make her get them and they have said they wanted to live with her.. shes also younger and has always wanted kids but hasnt had any and has money and seemed like the only one with any sanity (although i admit i never really paid attention to any of the other siblings so i could be wrong) and when i heard that joe wanted to make the jackson 3 with michaels kids singing my stomach just twisted up in knots! i was like omg this is the worst thing that could happen! i really hate joe and i wasnt even his kid and so i hope those kids go to anyone but him.. although something about debbie rowe just doesnt feel right and not to mention shes not blankets mother so what would happen to him'?
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@dloveli (4368)
• United States
24 Jul 09
Its no secret that Joe Jackson is a monster. I have said since day one that Michael's problems, issues, bad decisions, and rationalisms were all based on the way his father treated them during their childhood. Then because they became famous and rich he could justify it as being for their own good. All of the "tough love" made them what they were at the time. Then belittling your son when he is going thru the most difficult time in a young man's life, puberty, is un thinkable. I couldnt imagine being a young kid, who has had no life outside entertaining adults, and making music without ever having a chance to have a child hood. Part of growing up is playing and learning how to interact. He never had kids around him other than his older brothers. Joe shouldnt be allowed near them alone. MJ's mom older now and unable to handle the children. The biological mother, Debbie Rowe, doesnt really want the kids. She is doing what she thinks Mj would have wanted. She has stated that one of the reasons she is doing this is because of the conversations with MJ about his father. I agree that Janet would be the best choice. I am a Michael Jackson fan from the very beginning. I dont honestly think he would have been the way he was without his family doing the things they did. Luckily Ms. Rowe has put it out there about Joe Jackson and the abuse. She is a smart woman. I still dont want her to have the kids. DONT SPLIT THEM UP! They are all the have left of their immediate family. thanks for sharing. Happy MyLotting. dl
@korki4 (264)
• Philippines
21 Jul 09
I've been a real big fan of micheal jackson since i was little even though i was not in his era i still knew him beacuse of his great songs., and for joe jackson i hope he get's the judgement he deserves from beating up his son/daughters.. and if debbie takes the kids of MJ then i would be satisfied with that
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@dloveli (4368)
• United States
23 Jul 09
Hey Korki! I, too, was thrilled when I heard that it had been mentioned to the judge that Joe Jackson was the reason the biological mother didnt want the grandmother to have them. He doesnt care about them. Just like his kids all he would do is try to live thru them. He's a monster. However, I dont think Debbie Rowe would be a great choice either. She hasnt been in contact for quite a few years. She has admitted that the reason she asked for them was because she didnt want Joe Jackson to get his hands on them. Now that it has been established that he wont, I think Janet or Rebe, MJ's sisters should have them. dl
• United States
21 Jul 09
hey there hun happy day to ya.:) Wowwww! I had noo idea! about anything i just read now..how very very sad..im glad he did break the cycle..i know i did once my son was born..and i had it from my mom and dad.I catch myself every now and again snapping out and saying things they used tosay to me..EVILLL things that noo one should say to there child..but i never hit him..time out works great..and he has only been spaned 3 times in his 7 yrs..(and boyy he was badd when i did!) it took me many years ot get help..and it worked..and i crammed in alot of parenting classes when i was prego..i was and still am determined to never be like my parents..and its soo sad that children get the raw end of the deal when the parents are messed in the head.,Im glad things worked out for MJ's kids..and as for his dad..if i was his wife i would have ended our marriage if anyone did that to my children..i guess we are stronger women than we used to be..well mfor te most part anyways..laters! April
@dloveli (4368)
• United States
23 Jul 09
Thank you so much for sharing your story. I am so happy that you have been able to work it out. You were very lucky! Unfortunately for MJ he wasnt able to get thru it. He mutilated himself and locked himself away from the people that loved him. WHen he became famous, tabloids began telling lies about him. I believe he went over the edge. He told all in the book MOONWALK. He also told all in an interview where MJ stated that his mother would tell the father that "he was going to kill the boys" when he was beating them. Im sure that he told Debbie Rowe about some of this when she was carrying his children. It is an intimate experience where you cant help but come together. She doesnt want to be a full time mother. She wants the best for her children. THat is definately not Joe Jackson or Katherine Jackson for that matter. I am sorry that you had to live thru that. I am so glad that you have overcome that. However dont think that if you spank your children that you're a bad mother. Sometimes they need it. We just have to realize when to stop. I am sure you understand that very well. dl
@anniefannie (1737)
• United States
21 Jul 09
i know this is a big mess and i hope the kids get the ones to take care of them where they can have a good life and be happy children as they should like other children.
@dloveli (4368)
• United States
21 Jul 09
well said Annie! That is the only thing that should be on anyones mind. There's been talk that the MJ hadnt really been in contact with his mother in the last few years. When this will was written she was alot younger. Katherine Jackson is now 79 years old and unable to care for children full time. The mother Debbie Rowe doesnt even know the children. She gave full custody to MJ saying he was doing wonderful all by himself. She has stated that the reason she is fighting custody is because of the things Joe Jackson did to his own children. Ms. Rowe stated that MJ didnt want the same thing done to MJ's CHildren. Its been offered that Janet or Rebe Jackson take the children. This way they could all stay together. Rather than separate them by giving the two older to Debbie Rowe. I hope that these children grow to appreciate what their father did to have them and pass his love on to their children someday. dl
@Riptide (2761)
• United States
21 Jul 09
Yes, I got very worried when I heard at first that MJs mother might get the children. All the damage that Joe did to his children, would be repeated all over again. I hope that Debbie Rowe gets the children. Those children break my heart. First they lose their father and now they are being shuffed into the limelight. It seemed that MJ was always trying to shield his children from the public and now the exact opposite is happening. People need to remember that they are only children and very vulnerable and that they need a lot of love and guidance right now and not publicity and media circus. I hope that wahtever gets decided, it gets done quietly and without too much fanfare.
@dloveli (4368)
• United States
21 Jul 09
The sad part is that neither Katherine Jackson or Debbie Rowe is the right choice. Let's be honest, the only reason Debbie Rowe wants them is so that Joe Jackson doesnt get them. Maybe for the money too. Who really knows for sure but her. Katherine Jackson is 79 years old. She cant handle three children. The best answer to this whole situation is Janet or Rebe. Latoya is a straight Lunatic. She just got paid a huge amount of money for talking to a British tabloid. She definately doesnt have their best interest at heart. From what has been reported, Janet has been there everyday. The kids clearly love her and she them. I think you'll find that Janet will get them or her sister. I think Debbie Rowe will get visitation. If she gets them, they'll be split up. The two oldest are hers. The youngest, Blanket,is from surrogate. I hope I am right. I also agree that this needs to happen as quietly as possible minus the fanfare. Thanks dl
• United States
21 Jul 09
i had heard somewhere he wants to do a "jackson 3" with the kids. that old man don't know when to quit.
• United States
23 Jul 09
michael was smart for having a will drawn up. i can't believe that 'no contest' clause.i probably wouldn't have thought of that.
@maximax8 (30111)
• United Kingdom
30 Jul 09
I watched the interview Michael Jackson had with Martin Bashir. He looked so sad when he talked about how his dad hit him and his siblings when they were training. One step wrong like out of sequence Joe Jackson hit them. Debbie Rowe doesn't want the children to go to Joe Jackson quite understandably.
@Savvynlady (3685)
• United States
24 Jul 09
Joe was old school, but what he didn't do was show some love as well as the discipline so as far as the kids were concerned, Joe wasn't jack. I will never forget one time they had a big bash for the mother and the father remarked as to why they didn't do for him; but shoot when your taught to fear, your not going to show love. You have to balance them. Now from what I understand, Joe and Katherine had been seperated; Joe lives in Las Vegas with a daughter he had out of wedlock; that discussion was mentioned here. anyway, I had my misgivings about Katherine due to the age, but who is to say that she can't? It is just a sad situation all around. Janet would do but she's a busy woman dealing with her career; to take on three young kids will take an adjustment to her own schedule. Perhaps she can help but that is it.
• Philippines
23 Jul 09
Like you I was also upset of the passing of Michael Jackson and I guess most of the whole world was. I grew up to love his music. It is sad to know what Joe Jackson did to his children and it really upsets me to know people like this beats up their kids just to make them into something they wants and not what the kids want. I hope they don't give him the custody for the kids as well. I saw Debbie Rowe once on tv wherein she was screaming at reporters. I don't think I like her though. I guess if Janet Jackson wants the kids and would raise them as her own then I guess they should allow her since she is single and have the time for the kids.
@jillhill (37379)
• United States
21 Jul 09
What little I know of him...and seeing him on an interview I can see how concieted and what a puke he really is....he was no father figure...but a self righteous puke that beat his kids etc.....I hope the cycle is broken...and I hope someday someone gets him back.
@jbrooks0127 (2326)
• United States
21 Jul 09
Very well said and I do hope what you say comes to pass. Any judge that does their homework will do the right thing. What happened to the Jackson family is a very public example of what goes on behind so many doors. While the direction, and results, it took were different from others it is a shinning example of what bad parents can do to their children. One would look at this and because they turned out to be so very talented and wildly popular that perhaps not all of what Father Joe did was so bad. It was, in every respect. It will never be known how they would have turned out with supportive parents instead of the monster they lived with. Perhaps every bit as popular in their own right but lived a good and long life. I will never, ever understand how a parent can be cruel to their children. Our children can be very trying at times but the way you handle it should never be abusive under any circumstance. What parents have in front of them is an extension of themselves and they mistreat so bad. Perhaps that in itself is part of the explanation.
• Canada
21 Jul 09
For a father I cant believe how cold hearted is this man is?? He was the prime reason why Michael was the way he was, I feel bad for him and thank God Michael can rest in peace. As far as his kids are concerned Janet should be the number one choice due to the fact that she had a very close bond with Michael and now with his kids, and she's been able to separate her professional and private lives and that's exactly what Michael did for his kids when he was alive.
@UK_Shree (3604)
21 Jul 09
Yes I do think the best place for his children is with their mother. I have no idea if MJ's father has changed his attitude since those days when he was pushing MJ and his brothers really hard to become successful singers but even so I think that a mother will ensure her kids what they need best of all at least 99% of the time.
@snowy22315 (81885)
• United States
21 Jul 09
I believe those kids were seriously beaten as well. I dont see how Joe Jackson can "stand aside" though when he is still married to Katharine. I guess that means he will have nothing to do with the raising of Michael's offspring. I hope that this situation will work out for the best with maybe the nanny and Mrs. Jackson taking the children, with possibly Janet or Reba (oldest girl) taking the children if she becomes unable.
@Lakota12 (42681)
• United States
21 Jul 09
There is also a movie about all this abuse the dad did. It was terrible but a need to see movie for it does explain alot!
@ronnyb (6117)
• Jamaica
21 Jul 09
I totally understand and agree with what you are saying Michael Jackson is the person he was in part because of his childhood .He allegedly suffered much abuse because of the demadns made by his farther in his quest to get money and live through his children successes .His greed is unmatched and as a result I dont think that he should get access to Michael's children because I dont think that Michael would want that .My problem though is that I dont think that Debbie should get them either because I think that she too is a monet grabber but I suppose all children need their mother