Senator Jim DeMint: "...it will be his Waterloo. It will break him..."
By anniepa
@anniepa (27955)
United States
July 20, 2009 8:55pm CST
It's not really that the GOP is concerned with how a health care plan will be paid for, it's not that they're worried about a government bureaucrat getting between you and your doctor and it's not even the private insurers they're protecting; their opposition to President Obama's health care plan is purely political and S.C. Senator Jim DeMint as much as admitted it when he said, "If we’re able to stop Obama on this it will be his Waterloo. It will break him."
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0709/Health_reform_foes_plan_Obamas_Waterloo.html?showall
My opinion is that this will backfire on the "party of NO". Any thoughts?
Annie
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@lilwonders456 (8214)
• United States
21 Jul 09
As I have said before the politicans in washington DO NOT CARE ABOUT US. NONE OF THEM. All they care about is "scoring points" against the other side. Making the other side lose. Getting power and trashing the other side.
This comment kinds does surprise me from Demint. Unlike Graham (the other sentaor from my state) he usually at least tries to put a nice face on waht he says.
Personally I am not happy about this new healthcare plan. I do hope they can stop it. But not because for a political reason. But because I do not think it is the right thing to do to solve our healthcare crisis.
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
25 Jul 09
Do you think they should just stop it without offering any ideas of their own? We can't afford to wait any longer, this should have been done decades ago and then possibly our economy wouldn't be in the shape it's in. What aren't you happy about because there really is no plan yet. There are lots of ideas floating around and I guess some of the committees have drafted preliminary bills but they're nowhere near finished. There are several committees in the House and several in the Senate that will each come up with their own preliminary plan and then they get debated in each chamber separately and, if it gets that far, voted on. THEN they have to reconcile the two versions before it goes to the President for his signature. The RNC has hired consultants to tell them how to make people afraid of national health care and one of the consulting firs which they've frequently cited and claimed it to be "nonpartisan" is actually owned by the largest insurance company in the country, UnitedHealth.
Annie
@lilwonders456 (8214)
• United States
28 Jul 09
It really won't help the economy that much. If anything any plan that taxes people higher is going to hurt it. It will mean less money for people to spend. Our economy runs on spending. And if taxes go up on everyone. And you know they will to pay for this thing. Then it will actually have a negative impact on the economy.
@Rollo1 (16676)
• Boston, Massachusetts
21 Jul 09
They oppose the health care plan for many reasons, as do I. So why would they not want to delay it or stop it if they can? That's the meaning of oppose, to go against.
The statement "it will be his Waterloo" is an assessment of the damage to the president's political reputation if he doesn't manage to force through his health care plan, but it isn't the reason they won't be voting for it.
To extrapolate the theory that Senator DeMint and everyone who doesn't agree that this health care plan is a good or workable plan is really only disagreeing to be disagreeable and to make Obama look bad is stretching a few words into a vast conspiracy.
But what you don't address here is, what about all the Democrats who won't be voting for the health care plan?
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
25 Jul 09
I think there's enough evidence that it's the Republican's plan to delay any vote or debate on the health care plan for as long as they can for purely political reasons. I've no doubt some sincerely have legitimate objections to some of the proposals but since the plan hasn't even been written yet in its entirety they're not giving it a chance. I have my feelings about the Democrats who won't be voting for A plan, when it's completed, but I didn't start a discussion about any of them at this particular time because none of them made such a boneheaded comment.
One more thing I almost forgot to add - it's fine for them to oppose a particular plan or plans and you're right, the opposition party is pretty much expected to be just that but shouldn't that mean they should come up with some alternatives of their own?
Annie
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@Rollo1 (16676)
• Boston, Massachusetts
25 Jul 09
Well, it must have been an apt comment because the press is using it too and the president's approval rating is falling. He set himself on pushing through a bill he doesn't even know the provisions of and the American people don't want it. They want him to deal with the economy.
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
21 Jul 09
Backfiring is irrelevant. Right now the GOP has nothing to lose and opposing Obama's health care bill has actually made them MORE popular. I know you're a hardcore liberal Annie, but sometimes you need to step back and look at what's happening. Is it really good for one political ideology to run unchecked spending trillions of dollars without debating the bill or even READING it? Every time that's happened it's led to serious economic troubles. Someone NEEDS to say "NO". Right now, those "Nos" are coming from many within your own party as well.
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
25 Jul 09
I have nothing against debating a bill and I certainly think they should READ it but the health care bill isn't even WRITTEN yet and DeMint and his buddies are already planning on trying to keep it from being written or debated. They've already said they likely won't even present their own bill because it would "confuse things". Do you think it's OK to just oppose whatever plan the Democrats come up with without having any alternatives of their own? I don't think that will go over too well with most of their constituents.
Annie
@morethanamolehill (1586)
• United States
22 Jul 09
annie I really don't think you give a rat's whisker about the future of this country. I really don't.

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@morethanamolehill (1586)
• United States
23 Jul 09
http://www.nationaljournal.com/congressdaily/hca_20090722_6620_pf.php
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@sharra1 (6340)
• Australia
21 Jul 09
It is always about politics but mostly about power and politics. All politicians are driven by ideology and a desire to be in power to force their ideology on the nation.
Some are so power hungry that they will destroy things they believe in just because the other side or the wrong party tried to implement it. I used to believe that some politicians actually cared about the people they governed but now I am not so sure. It seems to me that all they really care about is being in power and many of them do not care how they achieve this goal as long as they win.
If politicians really cared about their country and the people who live in it then they would be working together to find a way to help all people and build a better society where everyone had a good life. In reality they only care about themselves and the rest is lies to win votes. Oh some individuals might believe for a while but find that they cannot escape the party and government machine that does things the way it has always done them no matter who wins power.
This was shown recently in Australia where a treasury official fabricated evidence that the current government was corrupt and then leaked these lies to the opposition who then called for the Prime Minister to resign. The real government, the bureaucracy that runs everything did not like the party we voted for and wanted to destroy them. The opposition is so busy trying to win government that they are voting against policies they believe in just because they want to destroy the government.
I think this is just another example of the same thing. All they want to do is destroy so that they can take over. They care nothing for the people who they are supposed to represent.
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@Basil2004 (105)
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21 Jul 09
The UK and all European countries have very good government backed sucessful health plans which have stood the test of time. That is not to say that there are not strains on the system and that decisions on priorities have to be made. Additionally private health schemes co exist with the government schemes. It would be a pity to oppose Obama purely on political grounds when his basic proposal has a lot of merit. It could seriously backfire on his opponents and be their Waterloo.
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
25 Jul 09
It's strange how different people have the totally opposite to say about the health plans they have in the U.K., Canada and other countries. I know the people I know and have known from these places have been satisfied with it but to read what some here have to say it's a nightmare. Our plan isn't going to be government run anyway. There will hopefully be a public option for those who can't afford private insurance and to keep the insurance companies honest but it's not like our hospitals are going to be owned by the government all of a sudden.
Annie
@suspenseful (40192)
• Canada
26 Jul 09
I think that with a health plan, one has to know who will pay for and who it will not cover. I am sure this health plan is not just for critical illnesses or when basic home care is not enough, it will probably also cover visits to the emergency room when all you need is a Tylenol or an aspirin, but at least in the emergency room, that Tylenol or aspirin the nurse will give you is free. It is paid for the taxpayers.
But we have to know where people are coming from, the politicians and rather where you are coming from because being against the Republican party and for Obama's health plan, you already have your mind made up. I am worried how a health plan is paid for. Ours in Canada is paid for by all the Canadian people and we cover everything. The trouble is that when everything is covered, the things on the higher end that one needs, are in short supply.
If the health plan is such that Americans except for the indigent pay a fee for basic visits, and it covers catastrophic and critical illnesses and conditions that would bankrupt a family, then it should work. But nothing comes for free and if someone has to pay $10 a visit (as it was in British Columbia, Canada when I used to live there,) it would work fine and there would be less abuse of the system.
@SocialSocietyNews (107)
• United States
21 Jul 09
Backfired went immediately into affect and effect from the moment it was heard?It Is Good that he is not being questioned about his comments through conformation hearing.
Besides they can say it's President Obama's economy now and all the blame will go towards him.
President Obama did not cause the economic crisis when his predecessor was in office He inherited a surplus then 911 came about while they were arguing about how the surplus was going to be spent amongst themselves everything went towards the war nothing to keep the economy strong if the economy is weak the army is weak and that is what America's enemy stated that they want the American economy to be broken and stay broken.
So in all actuality they want to single out Obama but I cannot see how you can cause failure to the Obamas Presidency without connecting the failure to the Bush Presidency?
This is blatant sabotage against the Democratic Presidency the same thing happen to President Clinton hounded from and by the Republicans from the beginning of his Campaign to impeachment hearing and remember this line after four years of investigation if Bill Clinton had came clean he could have saved the American people 40 million dollars that's because they had to go into the personal life with their investigation could you imagine them saying after 4 years of investigation and 40 million dollars spent we have found that Bill Clinton have no blemishes that would cause for impeachment hearing or any other hearings thank you.
Or after three years of investigation we end this investigation. We have came from the dimple chad to modern day waterloo and do they think even if they were to succeed in causing the Obama Presidency to fail he would not leave out of office as a loser he would be a dignified loser at worst because his Presidency is being Sabotage right within but they have so many questions about the comments that other people make like what did the first lady mean that for the first time she truly feels like an American I am sure they are changing views from all right about know.
How can a Republican President come after the Obama Presidency and be so quick to tell everyone that his Presidency failed but they have the right solution when the Republican way and failure that has lead us to this without any sabotage but they are leading by example of how we should treat the Presidency of the United States Keep up the good deeds and it will surely follow.
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@cobrateacher (8432)
• United States
21 Jul 09
Hi, Annie!
When I saw this, it seemed a lot like the audience drooling for blood between the Christians and the Lions! Politics is certainly not as it ought t be these days.
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