battered women to get asylum in us
By jb78000
@jb78000 (15139)
July 25, 2009 12:48pm CST
here's a discussion that's not about the political fitness of either obama or palin! women suffering from dometic abuse or other physical abuse now have grounds for political asylum in the states, although proving it won't always be easy. what are your views and do you think other countries should follow suit?
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@irishidid (8687)
• United States
25 Jul 09
When exactly did the US solve this problem of its own people? Women are abused here every day and every day a woman seeks shelter away from the abuse. I've seen the woman arrested for fighting back and case after case of women being killed by their abuser. Now we're going to help the world's abused? Then there's child abuse which I also include those who are being denied child support with the government's blessings. Until we clean up our own house we don't need to be cleaning up the mess others are in.
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@irishidid (8687)
• United States
25 Jul 09
There was the case of Tracy Thurman who was beaten, kicked, had her neck stomped on while police watched never lifting a finger to stop her ex husband. I understand the abuse has continued with their son (who was two at the time)as the abuser.
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@jb78000 (15139)
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25 Jul 09
well allowing those escaping severe abuse who have nowhere else to go in seems fine. you're right though - it's a massive worldwide problem and measures to sort out the problem for those in your own country probably need to be taken too. i don't know exactly what the situation is in the us - sounds like the police are remarkably unsympathetic though

@Rollo1 (16676)
• Boston, Massachusetts
25 Jul 09
I think it depends on the criteria. If we are talking about domestic abuse that can be handled by their country's law enforcement, then it would be harder to make the case for asylum. If they live in a country where women are denied equal rights and protections under the law, or where abuse and even killing of women is sanctioned by the laws of that country, then I would heartily agree that the need for asylum is much more easily established.
Two problems I see with the latter scenario are: A. This could include the entire female population of some countries where women are considered property and abuse is sanctioned and even encouraged; and B. The women most likely to be in these situations would never have the resources or means to seek asylum.
I think that in cases where extreme violence or the inability to get adequate protection in one's own country exists, then I would be in favor of offering asylum here in the US.
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@jb78000 (15139)
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25 Jul 09
all reasonable. i think in some countries the police see it as a private matter and don't get involved. anyway if anyone is interested here is the link for the story, although i'm sure it's been reported elsewhere http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jul/24/obama-women-abuse-political-asylum-us
@spicysweetie21 (2572)
• United States
25 Jul 09
I think that this is a great thing because what is happening to women in some countries is just horrible, other posters have already brought up some of the problems of it but I see another reason why many women might not come here for asylum. It is so depressing, but so many women who get abused in other countries are just so used to it and it is accepted by society, that they don't see it as something wrong. Even when families move here to the U.S, certain foriegn women still put up with abuse, I had a friend in middle school who was Iranian (or persian, I can never figure out what they are supposed to be called), her mom still got beat by her Dad whenever she didn't obey him, I tried to explain to her that her mom could get help, but neither she nor her mother wanted it
, because they were just so used to it and thought they deserved it, that it was doing them good.
But still, there are just as many women out there that DO realize that what is happening to them is wrong, and even the possibility of them being able to escape the abuse is a step in the right direction.
, because they were just so used to it and thought they deserved it, that it was doing them good.
But still, there are just as many women out there that DO realize that what is happening to them is wrong, and even the possibility of them being able to escape the abuse is a step in the right direction.1 person likes this
@jb78000 (15139)
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25 Jul 09
yes, in some societies it is just seen as normal. i can think of several reasons that a woman wouldn't seek asylum even if she's been nearly killed and her country's police won't help. but as you just said at least it's a possibility. relating to personal relationships rather than entire cultures the same thing happens here - there are good, or at least ok, safe houses, helplines and support groups (and the police are usually ok) but some have been so bullied they would never consider using them or leaving the violent git involved.
@spalladino (17891)
• United States
25 Jul 09
Considering that some countries not only allow women to be abused but they also look the other way when it comes to honor killings, I support this. Unfortunately, as Rollo already indicated, these women have little support or resources available to help them get out of their country.
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@jb78000 (15139)
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25 Jul 09
which is one of the reasons why there wasn't a huge rise in asylum seekers after the 1996 ruling on mutilation victims. it's a good idea but how many women will be able to use it is uncertain. i think there will also be cultural and social pressures that mean many will never see it as an option. however human rights groups might be able to help some people by using this ruling.
@dolphin2406 (1224)
• Poland
25 Jul 09
Hi, that is great news and a good move for protecting those being abused. Here it may be somewhat difficult to do. Well up to now I never heard of cases where people are given political asylum so I guess it does not happen. Actually the term has never been used. The problem with our country is that it is small and if you ask around everyone will know someone you know or almost.
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@jb78000 (15139)
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25 Jul 09
there isn't much room in malta for asylum seekers. the difficulties i can see with this are the difficulty in proving it and objections from those that think it will lead to millions of immigrants. i think it's a very good idea but not the easiest to implement anywhere.
@dolphin2406 (1224)
• Poland
26 Jul 09
oh and we have a big problem regarding immigrants, most of them being illegal.





