Another defeat for the "birthers"
@thegreatdebater (7316)
United States
July 28, 2009 5:19pm CST
The health director of Hawaii stated today that he double checked all of the records on file, and said that President Obama was born in Hawaii on Aut 4, 1961. This is yet another defeat for the people who have no facts to back up their argument, just partisan politics. Do you really care that these people are questioning the birth place of our president?
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@tdemex (3540)
• United States
28 Jul 09
Not really, but I've never seen as much hate for any President and his family in the 61 yrs. I've been an American, I find it disgusting and unpatriotic. This country is truly going down the tubes! The experiment is on it's way to failure and then the finger pointing will begin!
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@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
29 Jul 09
I remember the Clinton years, and although it is bad now, republicans haven't spent $200 million trying to kick him out of office, YET. But, you are correc that it is bad, and something needs to happen to stop this.
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@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
29 Jul 09
Kenny, tell me all of the former presidents that you have personally asked to show YOU their birth certificate. Did you ask Bush? Clinton? Bush Sr.? When they proved that they were legal citizens then everyone said OK. But, because the majority of Americans disagreed with the republicans than they have to find away to change that.
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@piasabird (1737)
• United States
29 Jul 09
There was waaay more hate and ridicule for Bush then there is for Obama. So don't even give me that crap! Were you in a coma for the past eight years?

@irishidid (8687)
• United States
29 Jul 09
Debater, I've checked and double checked. You owe me $20.00. It's a fact because I said so.
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@irishidid (8687)
• United States
29 Jul 09
Shows what you don't know. Not a birther, never have been. I believe he was most likely born in America. I just think it could be solved to everyone's satisfaction if he would just show it.
I read a theory the reason he won't is because B.O. senior wasn't really his father but another man. He'd have some explaining to do if that was the case.
Now where's my $20? 

@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
29 Jul 09
Irish, your post just proves to me that no matter what is released, you "birthers" won't beleive anything. So why should Obama release a document that will do nothing at all to settle the claim? I will make you a deal: I will fight this fight, if you will call for D!ck Cheney to release the names of every person that wrote his energy bill, and all of the companies that donated the RNC to get a seat at this table, and how much they spent. This way we can legally sue them for voilating the consitution, and put D!ck in jail, where he belongs.
@anniepa (27955)
• United States
29 Jul 09
"I read a theory the reason he won't is because B.O. senior wasn't really his father but another man. He'd have some explaining to do if that was the case."
Why would HE have some explaining to do? It wouldn't be his fault no matter WHO his father is.
Annie
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@psychotaz206 (2086)
• United States
29 Jul 09
you can post this over and over again noone really wants to hear it i been saying the same thing for weeks now , they even showed his birth records on the news but i guss people want to believe the stuff they read on the net the corts also said that the issue was taking care of but of corse this issue is going to continue on because people like talking bad about people. no matter who was in office some kind of things will be said . i think unless every one on here was handed the proff and see it in there own hands that just may be they will believe it, but as long as there is all this negitiviy and lies flying around on the net thats what people are going to believe.so i guess its just me and you that believe it.
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
29 Jul 09
Don't forget me...lol!
You know what I DON'T understand at all is, assuming these birthers are right and Obama wasn't born in Hawaii, he was born in Kenya and his 18 year old mother hopped a plane and rushed to Hawaii to get a fake birth certificate and had false birth announcements put in the local newspapers...WHY??? What possible reason could she have had to do this? Do these wingnuts actually think it was a plot from the moment he was born to lie about it so he could one day be President? Rose DID bring up the fact that he allegedly told his kindergarten teacher he wanted to be President like that was "proof" of some sinister conspiracy...
Annie
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@Rollo1 (16676)
• Boston, Massachusetts
29 Jul 09
They didn't put the birth announcement in the papers. Both papers that ran it got their birth announcement information from the Dept of Public Health. This is just a reporting of filed notices of birth. If you look at both papers, the announcements are the same exact list of births, with just the names of the parents and whether it was a son or daughter. Since the COLB can be obtained by a relative, all this proves is that his aunt registered his birth after Aug 4th and before Aug 13th. This is a major misconception which continues to be offered in proof, that his parents placed an announcement in the paper. None of the birth announcements on those papers were placed by any parents, they are simply reporting of public records.
@psychotaz206 (2086)
• United States
29 Jul 09
ann no matter what this is going to continue on so that every ones ratings go up they has a special a few weeks ago on chael 13 there was a rep from both parties there and a news caster and they even said the same thing that this stuff with the president is going to go on for a long time as long as the news rating keep going up over it infact the parties even said that there are a lot of things in the news that where made up and the news reporter agreed so there for its mostley about the ratings which i think is just crazy.
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@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
29 Jul 09
DLR, because that is the law in Hawaii. If anyone from that government released that information, then they would be breaking the law. Do you really want someone to break the law so that YOUR mind will be at ease(as if that will be all that it takes)? And, if he does present it, then will all of the "birthers" finally stop all of this? The answer of course is NO. So why should he do this for people that hate him anyways, and won't believe him either?
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@tessrow (92)
• United States
29 Jul 09
I don't really care that they want to question this. I understand that they feel disenfranchised with Obama as our President (much in the same way that I felt disenfranchised in 2004 when George W. Bush was returned to office) and this seems a very convenient method to vent their resentment. Additionally, Obama is an easy target. He doesn't "look" like the other presidents we've had, he has a more eclectic background, so it's an easy step from that to "he's not really even a natural-born American citizen!"
The problem that they run into is that two of the major Honolulu newspapers ran birth announcements for Barack Obama at around the time of his birth. Why would they do that, if he hadn't been born there? Was it all a big conspiracy on the part of his mother and father, to make people BELIEVE he was a natural-born citizen of the United States? Why would they do that? Did they have secret knowledge that Obama was destined to become a presidential candidate? Does anyone really think that Obama's mother, at the time of his birth, thought, "I will make sure everyone believes he was born in Hawaii, just in case he wants to run for president someday -- but I'll name him Barack Hussein Obama, just to make that more difficult for him."
I can't believe that people really fall for this stuff. A moment's thought on the subject would make it obvious that Obama's parents had no reason to plant false birth announcements in the Honolulu papers. They had no reason to think that their son would ever be president, especially given the racial issues of the time. Certainly if they were grooming him for such a high position, they would have named him something less unusual, and more in the social mainstream.
Conspiracy theory ignores logic, I guess.
@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
30 Jul 09
Tessrow, thanks for your post, I agree 100%
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